(05-17-2022 05:36 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 04:59 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  To me, it is not the specific trigger, but rather the driving motivation for the specific act. Why he chose that location and those people as targets.

If he wasn’t a white nationalist, I find it hard to believe he would have carried out the exact same crime based on portions of his manifesto.

If he was not WN, maybe he would have killed twenty people in Philadephia because they didn't believe in climate change.

(05-17-2022 05:36 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 04:59 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  To me, it is not the specific trigger, but rather the driving motivation for the specific act. Why he chose that location and those people as targets.

If he wasn’t a white nationalist, I find it hard to believe he would have carried out the exact same crime based on portions of his manifesto.

If he was not WN, maybe he would have killed twenty people in Philadephia because they didn't believe in climate change.

If so, should we keep non-CC believers from postting on the internet?

Or maybe he would have traveled to Omaha and killed 30 fat people because they ate meat.

If so, should we deny meat-eaters the right to voice their opinion?

Or maybe he would have killed 40 people in North Dakota because he hated conservatives.

What do 93 and Lad want us to do? Advocate for more mental health care?

We need more mental health care.

OK. Done.

Condemn mass murder?

I condemn mass murder.

OK. Done.


Near as I can tell, they just want us to not pick on Antifa so much.

Sorry about that, but I cannot give Antifa a pass. Stupid, violent, and lawless.

(05-17-2022 06:10 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 05:36 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 04:59 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  To me, it is not the specific trigger, but rather the driving motivation for the specific act. Why he chose that location and those people as targets.

If he wasn’t a white nationalist, I find it hard to believe he would have carried out the exact same crime based on portions of his manifesto.

If he was not WN, maybe he would have killed twenty people in Philadephia because they didn't believe in climate change.

If so, should we keep non-CC believers from postting on the internet?

Or maybe he would have traveled to Omaha and killed 30 fat people because they ate meat.

If so, should we deny meat-eaters the right to voice their opinion?

Or maybe he would have killed 40 people in North Dakota because he hated conservatives.

What do 93 and Lad want us to do? Advocate for more mental health care?

We need more mental health care.

OK. Done.

Condemn mass murder?

I condemn mass murder.

OK. Done.


Near as I can tell, they just want us to not pick on Antifa so much.

Sorry about that, but I cannot give Antifa a pass. Stupid, violent, and lawless.

Pick on Antifa all you want.

I want people here to call a spade a spade and not bend over backwards to either diminish the role his racists beliefs played in this crime nor deflect and basically go "well whatabout this???"

Dude was a racist POS, and there's enough evidence of it that posters here shouldn't question if that's true...

(05-17-2022 06:10 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 05:36 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 04:59 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  To me, it is not the specific trigger, but rather the driving motivation for the specific act. Why he chose that location and those people as targets.

If he wasn’t a white nationalist, I find it hard to believe he would have carried out the exact same crime based on portions of his manifesto.

If he was not WN, maybe he would have killed twenty people in Philadephia because they didn't believe in climate change.

If so, should we keep non-CC believers from postting on the internet?

Or maybe he would have traveled to Omaha and killed 30 fat people because they ate meat.

If so, should we deny meat-eaters the right to voice their opinion?

Or maybe he would have killed 40 people in North Dakota because he hated conservatives.

What do 93 and Lad want us to do? Advocate for more mental health care?

We need more mental health care.

OK. Done.

Condemn mass murder?

I condemn mass murder.

OK. Done.


Near as I can tell, they just want us to not pick on Antifa so much.

Sorry about that, but I cannot give Antifa a pass. Stupid, violent, and lawless.

Pick on Antifa all you want.

I want people here to call a spade a spade and not bend over backwards to either diminish the role his racists beliefs played in this crime nor deflect and basically go "well whatabout this???"

Dude was a racist POS, and there's enough evidence of it that posters here shouldn't question if that's true...

(05-17-2022 06:10 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I want people here to call a spade a spade

(05-17-2022 06:10 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I want people here to call a spade a spade and not bend over backwards to either diminish the role his racists beliefs played in this crime nor deflect and basically go "well whatabout this???"
Dude was a racist POS, and there's enough evidence of it that posters here shouldn't question if that's true...

(05-16-2022 01:09 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Quote:Two things inevitably follow a mass shooting. For one, the shooter becomes a celebrity. I don’t like it any more than you do but there’s something about evil that great that draws people into wanting to know more. Why did they do it? What drove them there? What kind of lens did they see the world through? All of these questions course through the minds of anyone who hears about killers.
The other inevitability is that it will immediately be looked at by politicians, media figures, and activists as tools. One should never let a crisis go to waste, and true to form, everyone from gun control advocates to race-baiters will show up in full force, ready to make the deaths of innocents about their favored cause.
On Twitter, as I write this and you read it, the Buffalo shooter is the subject of a lot of the national conversation and there are a lot of people pointing fingers at their political opposites for the blame. This is going on despite the fact that the shooter made information readily available online about his beliefs and intentions.
Grabien founder Tom Elliott decided to take a moment and post a very easy thread that shows the Buffalo killer’s thought process about everything from how we wanted to execute the shooting to what his beliefs are and where he got them from.
It starts with why he chose the location he did. New York is very adamant about gun control and the shooter knew that he’d have an advantage there since everyone around him would have a very limited ammo capacity.
We also learn about his love of fascism, white supremacy, and anti-semitism.

But before we come to the conclusion that this kid was just an extremist conservative as the media would have you believe, we can see the shooter made it very clear that he’s actually more of a socialist and “wants no part” of conservatism. In fact, his views evolved from communism and he said he’d define himself as a leftist populist.

While I won’t post the rest of the thread here, it is easily accessible as Elliot posts more, and it continues by giving us quite a bit of info. The shooter believes himself to be an “eco-fascist” who is very concerned about the erasure of whites and their culture through immigration and seems to have been a heavy user of 4Chan, where posts he found there refined his beliefs.
He posted that he is very anti-libertarian, believing that it’s a Jewish idea. He thanks God that conservatism is dead and wishes for the death of “anti-white” capitalists.
It’s clear that the shooter drifted towards Nazism and thought that a more “Hitleresque” nation was the best way to go. Neither the right nor the left embrace that. It is interesting to note all of this, and know where he got his ideas from directly from the source, but it’s also important to remember that sometimes, it’s those around him that can give us an even clearer picture.
As Joe Cunningham wrote, people who knew him said the shooter was always very bizarre and strange. His behavior was always off and he seemed very fascinated with extremist ideologies. The testimony of those who knew him is enough to have you focus less on his beliefs and more on his mental illness, which is clearly a factor here.
That’s not to say that his ravings weren’t an important glimpse into his mental state, but all of this together creates a picture of an angry young man who didn’t get the help he clearly needed, and just like we see at the end of most mass shootings, we’re seeing more of an embrace of the surface level ideologies than the fact that mental health was the primary factor.

Link
Mental illness is a danger to society, and America has placed a low priority on treating mental illness for decades. It would be in everyone's interest to improve the process and add resources for the treatment of mental illness, and the sooner the better.

(05-18-2022 12:46 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 06:10 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I want people here to call a spade a spade and not bend over backwards to either diminish the role his racists beliefs played in this crime nor deflect and basically go "well whatabout this???"
Dude was a racist POS, and there's enough evidence of it that posters here shouldn't question if that's true...

I am calling a spade a spade. Yes, there was some racist rhetoric. But that wasn't all there was. There were other socialist/communist comments. See the following:

(05-16-2022 01:09 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Quote:Two things inevitably follow a mass shooting. For one, the shooter becomes a celebrity. I don’t like it any more than you do but there’s something about evil that great that draws people into wanting to know more. Why did they do it? What drove them there? What kind of lens did they see the world through? All of these questions course through the minds of anyone who hears about killers.
The other inevitability is that it will immediately be looked at by politicians, media figures, and activists as tools. One should never let a crisis go to waste, and true to form, everyone from gun control advocates to race-baiters will show up in full force, ready to make the deaths of innocents about their favored cause.
On Twitter, as I write this and you read it, the Buffalo shooter is the subject of a lot of the national conversation and there are a lot of people pointing fingers at their political opposites for the blame. This is going on despite the fact that the shooter made information readily available online about his beliefs and intentions.
Grabien founder Tom Elliott decided to take a moment and post a very easy thread that shows the Buffalo killer’s thought process about everything from how we wanted to execute the shooting to what his beliefs are and where he got them from.
It starts with why he chose the location he did. New York is very adamant about gun control and the shooter knew that he’d have an advantage there since everyone around him would have a very limited ammo capacity.
We also learn about his love of fascism, white supremacy, and anti-semitism.

But before we come to the conclusion that this kid was just an extremist conservative as the media would have you believe, we can see the shooter made it very clear that he’s actually more of a socialist and “wants no part” of conservatism. In fact, his views evolved from communism and he said he’d define himself as a leftist populist.

While I won’t post the rest of the thread here, it is easily accessible as Elliot posts more, and it continues by giving us quite a bit of info. The shooter believes himself to be an “eco-fascist” who is very concerned about the erasure of whites and their culture through immigration and seems to have been a heavy user of 4Chan, where posts he found there refined his beliefs.
He posted that he is very anti-libertarian, believing that it’s a Jewish idea. He thanks God that conservatism is dead and wishes for the death of “anti-white” capitalists.
It’s clear that the shooter drifted towards Nazism and thought that a more “Hitleresque” nation was the best way to go. Neither the right nor the left embrace that. It is interesting to note all of this, and know where he got his ideas from directly from the source, but it’s also important to remember that sometimes, it’s those around him that can give us an even clearer picture.
As Joe Cunningham wrote, people who knew him said the shooter was always very bizarre and strange. His behavior was always off and he seemed very fascinated with extremist ideologies. The testimony of those who knew him is enough to have you focus less on his beliefs and more on his mental illness, which is clearly a factor here.
That’s not to say that his ravings weren’t an important glimpse into his mental state, but all of this together creates a picture of an angry young man who didn’t get the help he clearly needed, and just like we see at the end of most mass shootings, we’re seeing more of an embrace of the surface level ideologies than the fact that mental health was the primary factor.

Link
Mental illness is a danger to society, and America has placed a low priority on treating mental illness for decades. It would be in everyone's interest to improve the process and add resources for the treatment of mental illness, and the sooner the better.

So looks like maybe our shooter may be a racist, but a LEFT-wing racist. Remember, in the 1930s, the fascists and nazis were the darlings of the American left.

So either left-wing racist or just plain crazy.

(05-18-2022 05:38 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-18-2022 12:46 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  So looks like maybe our shooter may be a racist, but a LEFT-wing racist. Remember, in the 1930s, the fascists and nazis were the darlings of the American left.
So either left-wing racist or just plain crazy.

And what is your point here, in relation to where on the political spectrum you want him to fall?
Did anyone here argue he was a Republican?

(05-18-2022 05:46 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-18-2022 05:38 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-18-2022 12:46 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  So looks like maybe our shooter may be a racist, but a LEFT-wing racist. Remember, in the 1930s, the fascists and nazis were the darlings of the American left.
So either left-wing racist or just plain crazy.

And what is your point here, in relation to where on the political spectrum you want him to fall?
Did anyone here argue he was a Republican?

Are you suggesting that nobody has suggested that "right-wing" goes with fascist and nazi and white supremacist, nor that republican goes with right-wing in that construct?

Almost all fascist and nazi ideas. particularly regarding the economy, are staples of the American political left. Does it make sense to portray ideologies that march in lockstep with the left on economic matters are somehow right-wingers?

(05-17-2022 11:29 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 06:10 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I want people here to call a spade a spade

With all due respect, 93, I think you are the one not calling it like it is - you are calling it like you see it, but not how it is. I think you way overemphasize the size, power, and influence of the white power groups, and at the same minimize the scope and excesses of both BLM and Anfifa.

Of course you think I do just the opposite. We each think we are right and the other wrong.

when you say for us to call a spade a spade, that implies you think we know the truth but are lying about it.

I don't think you meant to call us all liars, but that is what came across. You basically are saying we see the spade, but call it a heart. I don't see what you call a spade - I see what I call a spade. I always call a spade a spade. always have. Always will.

In any case, we shall not agree unless one of us decides to change our mind. I am not changing mine, and I doubt you will either.

I think this is one of those agree to disagree moments.

(05-18-2022 06:01 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-18-2022 05:46 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-18-2022 05:38 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-18-2022 12:46 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  So looks like maybe our shooter may be a racist, but a LEFT-wing racist. Remember, in the 1930s, the fascists and nazis were the darlings of the American left.
So either left-wing racist or just plain crazy.

And what is your point here, in relation to where on the political spectrum you want him to fall?
Did anyone here argue he was a Republican?

Are you suggesting that nobody has suggested that "right-wing" goes with fascist and nazi and white supremacist, nor that republican goes with right-wing in that construct?
Almost all fascist and nazi ideas. particularly regarding the economy, are staples of the American political left. Does it make sense to portray ideologies that march in lockstep with the left on economic matters are somehow right-wingers?

Of course there has been a historical argument made about that, but no one has been making that argument here or even coming close to connecting this guy to a political ideology as part of the conversation. It has been solely focused on his repugnant racist views.
You’re basically arguing that we can’t call someone a white supremacist because it means we’re also calling them a Republican.
Think about that for a second - you’re willing to argue that he actually isn’t a white supremacist, despite the ample evidence, because you don’t want him to be considered “right wing” by default. Yikes.

(05-18-2022 06:08 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-18-2022 06:01 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-18-2022 05:46 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-18-2022 05:38 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-18-2022 12:46 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  So looks like maybe our shooter may be a racist, but a LEFT-wing racist. Remember, in the 1930s, the fascists and nazis were the darlings of the American left.
So either left-wing racist or just plain crazy.

And what is your point here, in relation to where on the political spectrum you want him to fall?
Did anyone here argue he was a Republican?

Are you suggesting that nobody has suggested that "right-wing" goes with fascist and nazi and white supremacist, nor that republican goes with right-wing in that construct?
Almost all fascist and nazi ideas. particularly regarding the economy, are staples of the American political left. Does it make sense to portray ideologies that march in lockstep with the left on economic matters are somehow right-wingers?

Of course there has been a historical argument made about that, but no one has been making that argument here or even coming close to connecting this guy to a political ideology as part of the conversation. It has been solely focused on his repugnant racist views.
You’re basically arguing that we can’t call someone a white supremacist because it means we’re also calling them a Republican.
Think about that for a second - you’re willing to argue that he actually isn’t a white supremacist, despite the ample evidence, because you don’t want him to be considered “right wing” by default. Yikes.

No, I'm arguing that "right-wing" and "racist" don't go together. Perhaps that connection has not been made or suggested within the four corners of this thread, but it has certainly been made many times and places.

As long as you are willing to agree that "right-wing" and "racist" are not the near-synonyms that the MSM wants to treat them as being, I am good with that.

(05-18-2022 06:37 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Reality is that racism knows no political boundaries, and no one, in the course of this discussion, has tried to argue that this guy was a Republican or conservative or whatever politically.
I’ve said he was a white supremacist and people have taken issue with that, despite the mountain of evidence.

(05-18-2022 06:01 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-18-2022 05:46 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-18-2022 05:38 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-18-2022 12:46 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  So looks like maybe our shooter may be a racist, but a LEFT-wing racist. Remember, in the 1930s, the fascists and nazis were the darlings of the American left.
So either left-wing racist or just plain crazy.

And what is your point here, in relation to where on the political spectrum you want him to fall?
Did anyone here argue he was a Republican?

Are you suggesting that nobody has suggested that "right-wing" goes with fascist and nazi and white supremacist, nor that republican goes with right-wing in that construct?

Almost all fascist and nazi ideas. particularly regarding the economy, are staples of the American political left. Does it make sense to portray ideologies that march in lockstep with the left on economic matters are somehow right-wingers?

You’re basically arguing that we can’t call someone a white supremacist because it means we’re also calling them a Republican.

(05-18-2022 06:37 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-18-2022 06:08 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-18-2022 06:01 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-18-2022 05:46 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-18-2022 05:38 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  And what is your point here, in relation to where on the political spectrum you want him to fall?
Did anyone here argue he was a Republican?

Are you suggesting that nobody has suggested that "right-wing" goes with fascist and nazi and white supremacist, nor that republican goes with right-wing in that construct?
Almost all fascist and nazi ideas. particularly regarding the economy, are staples of the American political left. Does it make sense to portray ideologies that march in lockstep with the left on economic matters are somehow right-wingers?

Of course there has been a historical argument made about that, but no one has been making that argument here or even coming close to connecting this guy to a political ideology as part of the conversation. It has been solely focused on his repugnant racist views.
You’re basically arguing that we can’t call someone a white supremacist because it means we’re also calling them a Republican.
Think about that for a second - you’re willing to argue that he actually isn’t a white supremacist, despite the ample evidence, because you don’t want him to be considered “right wing” by default. Yikes.

No, I'm arguing that "right-wing" and "racist" don't go together. Perhaps that connection has not been made or suggested within the four corners of this thread, but it has certainly been made many times and places.

As long as you are willing to agree that "right-wing" and "racist" are not the near-synonyms that the MSM wants to treat them as being, I am good with that.

Reality is that racism knows no political boundaries, and no one, in the course of this discussion, has tried to argue that this guy was a Republican or conservative or whatever politically.

I’ve said he was a white supremacist and people have taken issue with that, despite the mountain of evidence.

(05-18-2022 12:46 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 06:10 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I want people here to call a spade a spade and not bend over backwards to either diminish the role his racists beliefs played in this crime nor deflect and basically go "well whatabout this???"
Dude was a racist POS, and there's enough evidence of it that posters here shouldn't question if that's true...

I am calling a spade a spade. Yes, there was some racist rhetoric. But that wasn't all there was. There were other socialist/communist comments. See the following:

(05-16-2022 01:09 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Quote:Two things inevitably follow a mass shooting. For one, the shooter becomes a celebrity. I don’t like it any more than you do but there’s something about evil that great that draws people into wanting to know more. Why did they do it? What drove them there? What kind of lens did they see the world through? All of these questions course through the minds of anyone who hears about killers.
The other inevitability is that it will immediately be looked at by politicians, media figures, and activists as tools. One should never let a crisis go to waste, and true to form, everyone from gun control advocates to race-baiters will show up in full force, ready to make the deaths of innocents about their favored cause.
On Twitter, as I write this and you read it, the Buffalo shooter is the subject of a lot of the national conversation and there are a lot of people pointing fingers at their political opposites for the blame. This is going on despite the fact that the shooter made information readily available online about his beliefs and intentions.
Grabien founder Tom Elliott decided to take a moment and post a very easy thread that shows the Buffalo killer’s thought process about everything from how we wanted to execute the shooting to what his beliefs are and where he got them from.
It starts with why he chose the location he did. New York is very adamant about gun control and the shooter knew that he’d have an advantage there since everyone around him would have a very limited ammo capacity.
We also learn about his love of fascism, white supremacy, and anti-semitism.

But before we come to the conclusion that this kid was just an extremist conservative as the media would have you believe, we can see the shooter made it very clear that he’s actually more of a socialist and “wants no part” of conservatism. In fact, his views evolved from communism and he said he’d define himself as a leftist populist.

While I won’t post the rest of the thread here, it is easily accessible as Elliot posts more, and it continues by giving us quite a bit of info. The shooter believes himself to be an “eco-fascist” who is very concerned about the erasure of whites and their culture through immigration and seems to have been a heavy user of 4Chan, where posts he found there refined his beliefs.
He posted that he is very anti-libertarian, believing that it’s a Jewish idea. He thanks God that conservatism is dead and wishes for the death of “anti-white” capitalists.
It’s clear that the shooter drifted towards Nazism and thought that a more “Hitleresque” nation was the best way to go. Neither the right nor the left embrace that. It is interesting to note all of this, and know where he got his ideas from directly from the source, but it’s also important to remember that sometimes, it’s those around him that can give us an even clearer picture.
As Joe Cunningham wrote, people who knew him said the shooter was always very bizarre and strange. His behavior was always off and he seemed very fascinated with extremist ideologies. The testimony of those who knew him is enough to have you focus less on his beliefs and more on his mental illness, which is clearly a factor here.
That’s not to say that his ravings weren’t an important glimpse into his mental state, but all of this together creates a picture of an angry young man who didn’t get the help he clearly needed, and just like we see at the end of most mass shootings, we’re seeing more of an embrace of the surface level ideologies than the fact that mental health was the primary factor.

Link
Mental illness is a danger to society, and America has placed a low priority on treating mental illness for decades. It would be in everyone's interest to improve the process and add resources for the treatment of mental illness, and the sooner the better.

So looks like maybe our shooter may be a racist, but a LEFT-wing racist. Remember, in the 1930s, the fascists and nazis were the darlings of the American left.

So either left-wing racist or just plain crazy.

(05-18-2022 06:05 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 11:29 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 06:10 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I want people here to call a spade a spade

With all due respect, 93, I think you are the one not calling it like it is - you are calling it like you see it, but not how it is. I think you way overemphasize the size, power, and influence of the white power groups, and at the same minimize the scope and excesses of both BLM and Anfifa.

Of course you think I do just the opposite. We each think we are right and the other wrong.

when you say for us to call a spade a spade, that implies you think we know the truth but are lying about it.

I don't think you meant to call us all liars, but that is what came across. You basically are saying we see the spade, but call it a heart. I don't see what you call a spade - I see what I call a spade. I always call a spade a spade. always have. Always will.

In any case, we shall not agree unless one of us decides to change our mind. I am not changing mine, and I doubt you will either.

I think this is one of those agree to disagree moments.

Dude, how hard is it to read the name of the poster before hitting send?

I think people who are pushing back on whether this guy was a white supremacist are lying to themselves for some reason. If you don’t want to acknowledge that this guy was clearly a white supremacist, go for it. Seems a bit odd to literally ignore a mountain of evidence, but yeah, you do you.

(05-18-2022 07:48 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(05-18-2022 12:46 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 06:10 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I want people here to call a spade a spade and not bend over backwards to either diminish the role his racists beliefs played in this crime nor deflect and basically go "well whatabout this???"
Dude was a racist POS, and there's enough evidence of it that posters here shouldn't question if that's true...

I am calling a spade a spade. Yes, there was some racist rhetoric. But that wasn't all there was. There were other socialist/communist comments. See the following:

(05-16-2022 01:09 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Quote:Two things inevitably follow a mass shooting. For one, the shooter becomes a celebrity. I don’t like it any more than you do but there’s something about evil that great that draws people into wanting to know more. Why did they do it? What drove them there? What kind of lens did they see the world through? All of these questions course through the minds of anyone who hears about killers.
The other inevitability is that it will immediately be looked at by politicians, media figures, and activists as tools. One should never let a crisis go to waste, and true to form, everyone from gun control advocates to race-baiters will show up in full force, ready to make the deaths of innocents about their favored cause.
On Twitter, as I write this and you read it, the Buffalo shooter is the subject of a lot of the national conversation and there are a lot of people pointing fingers at their political opposites for the blame. This is going on despite the fact that the shooter made information readily available online about his beliefs and intentions.
Grabien founder Tom Elliott decided to take a moment and post a very easy thread that shows the Buffalo killer’s thought process about everything from how we wanted to execute the shooting to what his beliefs are and where he got them from.
It starts with why he chose the location he did. New York is very adamant about gun control and the shooter knew that he’d have an advantage there since everyone around him would have a very limited ammo capacity.
We also learn about his love of fascism, white supremacy, and anti-semitism.

But before we come to the conclusion that this kid was just an extremist conservative as the media would have you believe, we can see the shooter made it very clear that he’s actually more of a socialist and “wants no part” of conservatism. In fact, his views evolved from communism and he said he’d define himself as a leftist populist.

While I won’t post the rest of the thread here, it is easily accessible as Elliot posts more, and it continues by giving us quite a bit of info. The shooter believes himself to be an “eco-fascist” who is very concerned about the erasure of whites and their culture through immigration and seems to have been a heavy user of 4Chan, where posts he found there refined his beliefs.
He posted that he is very anti-libertarian, believing that it’s a Jewish idea. He thanks God that conservatism is dead and wishes for the death of “anti-white” capitalists.
It’s clear that the shooter drifted towards Nazism and thought that a more “Hitleresque” nation was the best way to go. Neither the right nor the left embrace that. It is interesting to note all of this, and know where he got his ideas from directly from the source, but it’s also important to remember that sometimes, it’s those around him that can give us an even clearer picture.
As Joe Cunningham wrote, people who knew him said the shooter was always very bizarre and strange. His behavior was always off and he seemed very fascinated with extremist ideologies. The testimony of those who knew him is enough to have you focus less on his beliefs and more on his mental illness, which is clearly a factor here.
That’s not to say that his ravings weren’t an important glimpse into his mental state, but all of this together creates a picture of an angry young man who didn’t get the help he clearly needed, and just like we see at the end of most mass shootings, we’re seeing more of an embrace of the surface level ideologies than the fact that mental health was the primary factor.

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Mental illness is a danger to society, and America has placed a low priority on treating mental illness for decades. It would be in everyone's interest to improve the process and add resources for the treatment of mental illness, and the sooner the better.

So looks like maybe our shooter may be a racist, but a LEFT-wing racist. Remember, in the 1930s, the fascists and nazis were the darlings of the American left.

So either left-wing racist or just plain crazy.

RiceLad and Rice93 take the manifesto's white supremacist language very seriously, while dismissing the parts that don't fit their narrative as rantings that indicate nothing about the shooters beliefs or motives. Tunnel vision.

Obvious that this guy is deranged, and tries to organize his thoughts around a smorgasbord of extremist ideas from the internet - he mentions a bewildering array of beliefs, in some cases internally inconsistent. He's a fascist, anti-semite, populist, right-winger, left-winger, white supremacist, etc., etc..

Some choose to read this as fascist, anti-semite, populist, right-winger, left-winger, white supremacist, etc., etc and represent him as having a cogent, rational, reasoned argument. Positively blinkered, or very determined to further an agenda.