(04-20-2022 09:48 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(04-20-2022 08:25 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  Anyway... thanks for serving up those examples, bro. However, I had already pointed out that I was aware of instances where people voiced concerns over Elon's potential ownership of Twitter. What I had asked about was some information on the idea that liberals IN GENERAL were freaking out over free speech on Twitter. OO seems to make generalizations about the left as it relates to this issue.

There's a lot of Blue Team kerfluffle in the media now about Musk buying Twitter - and I mean, a lot. Numerous commentators, public officials, etc. commenting on it.

I suppose your point is that they aren't representative of every individual on Blue Team, but the volume of commentary suggests that it's a Blue Team issue. Perhaps you disagree?

As for generalizing, isn't that pretty common? After all, in post 4514, you asked

"Exactly what level of craziness does Taylor Greene need to display before Republican voters turn their backs on her???"

Should someone have retorted by pointing out your generalization? I think it was understood - and you meant it to be understood - that you didn't mean every single Republican everywhere.

(04-20-2022 09:48 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(04-20-2022 08:25 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  Anyway... thanks for serving up those examples, bro. However, I had already pointed out that I was aware of instances where people voiced concerns over Elon's potential ownership of Twitter. What I had asked about was some information on the idea that liberals IN GENERAL were freaking out over free speech on Twitter. OO seems to make generalizations about the left as it relates to this issue.

There's a lot of Blue Team kerfluffle in the media now about Musk buying Twitter - and I mean, a lot. Numerous commentators, public officials, etc. commenting on it.

I suppose your point is that they aren't representative of every individual on Blue Team, but the volume of commentary suggests that it's a Blue Team issue. Perhaps you disagree?

As for generalizing, isn't that pretty common? After all, in post 4514, you asked

"Exactly what level of craziness does Taylor Greene need to display before Republican voters turn their backs on her???"

Should someone have retorted by pointing out your generalization? I think it was understood - and you meant it to be understood - that you didn't mean every single Republican everywhere.

(04-20-2022 08:25 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(04-19-2022 10:09 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  So 93 wants 'examples' of lefty outrage over Musk --- it took me all of one site to find this from ex-Clinton Secy Labor Robert Reich.

Quote:Musk says he wants to “free” the internet. But what he really aims to do is make it even less accountable than it is now, when it’s often impossible to discover…who is filling social media with lies, who’s poisoning our minds with pseudo-science and propaganda, and who’s deciding which versions of events go viral and which stay under wraps.

Quote:n Musk’s vision of Twitter and the internet, he’d be the wizard behind the curtain…

In reality, that world would be dominated by the richest and most powerful people in the world, who wouldn’t be accountable to anyone for facts, truth, science or the common good.

That’s Musk’s dream. And Trump’s. And Putin’s. And the dream of every dictator, strongman, demagogue and modern-day robber baron on Earth. For the rest of us, it would be a brave new nightmare.

Quote:Musk has long advocated a libertarian vision of an “uncontrolled” internet. That vision is dangerous rubbish. There’s no such animal, and there never will be.

Quote:Musk advocates free speech, but in reality it’s just about power.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/12/elon-musk-internet-twitter

From MSNBC:

Quote:“I mean, I’m going to be honest, Elon Musk is a danger to Twitter and to freedom of speech. He has been known to say some of the most transphobic and homophobic things to his millions of followers. So creating an arena for hate? To me, that’s what that sounds like — an opportunity for him to have no consequences. To have no flags. For people just to be able to do whatever it is and say whatever they want regardless of what kind of harm that it causes. So I think that this is something that folks really need to be paying attention to, because I think that Elon Musk buying Twitter or creating this quote-unquote ‘arena’ would be problematic.”

https://twitter.com/i/status/1516045139122212864

Pretty much wash, rinse, repeat on a constant basis from lefties.

Anything else you wish to have served up for you?

Oh damn... that seems pretty snarky! Is this where I need to start clutching my pearls and accusing you of snark? That's what we do here, correct?

Anyway... thanks for serving up those examples, bro. However, I had already pointed out that I was aware of instances where people voiced concerns over Elon's potential ownership of Twitter. What I had asked about was some information on the idea that liberals IN GENERAL were freaking out over free speech on Twitter. OO seems to make generalizations about the left as it relates to this issue.

*edit* Probably this is a pointless discussion. It's just sort of annoying to hear "The left is up in arms over X, Y, or Z" when some people go on news shows or post on twitter. It's like if somebody when on Fox News and demanded reparations. You could certainly find some twitter posts supporting this as well. Does this mean that "THE LEFT is demanding reparations!"?

(04-20-2022 09:50 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(04-20-2022 09:48 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(04-20-2022 08:25 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  Anyway... thanks for serving up those examples, bro. However, I had already pointed out that I was aware of instances where people voiced concerns over Elon's potential ownership of Twitter. What I had asked about was some information on the idea that liberals IN GENERAL were freaking out over free speech on Twitter. OO seems to make generalizations about the left as it relates to this issue.

There's a lot of Blue Team kerfluffle in the media now about Musk buying Twitter - and I mean, a lot. Numerous commentators, public officials, etc. commenting on it.

I suppose your point is that they aren't representative of every individual on Blue Team, but the volume of commentary suggests that it's a Blue Team issue. Perhaps you disagree?

As for generalizing, isn't that pretty common? After all, in post 4514, you asked

"Exactly what level of craziness does Taylor Greene need to display before Republican voters turn their backs on her???"

Should someone have retorted by pointing out your generalization? I think it was understood - and you meant it to be understood - that you didn't mean every single Republican everywhere.

I meant the voters in her district who are seemingly eating up what she is cooking.

(04-20-2022 09:50 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(04-20-2022 09:48 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(04-20-2022 08:25 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  Anyway... thanks for serving up those examples, bro. However, I had already pointed out that I was aware of instances where people voiced concerns over Elon's potential ownership of Twitter. What I had asked about was some information on the idea that liberals IN GENERAL were freaking out over free speech on Twitter. OO seems to make generalizations about the left as it relates to this issue.

There's a lot of Blue Team kerfluffle in the media now about Musk buying Twitter - and I mean, a lot. Numerous commentators, public officials, etc. commenting on it.

I suppose your point is that they aren't representative of every individual on Blue Team, but the volume of commentary suggests that it's a Blue Team issue. Perhaps you disagree?

As for generalizing, isn't that pretty common? After all, in post 4514, you asked

"Exactly what level of craziness does Taylor Greene need to display before Republican voters turn their backs on her???"

Should someone have retorted by pointing out your generalization? I think it was understood - and you meant it to be understood - that you didn't mean every single Republican everywhere.

I meant the voters in her district who are seemingly eating up what she is cooking.

(04-20-2022 09:50 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(04-20-2022 09:48 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(04-20-2022 08:25 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  Anyway... thanks for serving up those examples, bro. However, I had already pointed out that I was aware of instances where people voiced concerns over Elon's potential ownership of Twitter. What I had asked about was some information on the idea that liberals IN GENERAL were freaking out over free speech on Twitter. OO seems to make generalizations about the left as it relates to this issue.

There's a lot of Blue Team kerfluffle in the media now about Musk buying Twitter - and I mean, a lot. Numerous commentators, public officials, etc. commenting on it.

I suppose your point is that they aren't representative of every individual on Blue Team, but the volume of commentary suggests that it's a Blue Team issue. Perhaps you disagree?

As for generalizing, isn't that pretty common? After all, in post 4514, you asked

"Exactly what level of craziness does Taylor Greene need to display before Republican voters turn their backs on her???"

Should someone have retorted by pointing out your generalization? I think it was understood - and you meant it to be understood - that you didn't mean every single Republican everywhere.

I meant the voters in her district who are seemingly eating up what she is cooking.

(04-20-2022 09:35 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(04-20-2022 09:04 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(04-20-2022 08:25 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(04-19-2022 10:09 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  So 93 wants 'examples' of lefty outrage over Musk --- it took me all of one site to find this from ex-Clinton Secy Labor Robert Reich.

Quote:Musk says he wants to “free” the internet. But what he really aims to do is make it even less accountable than it is now, when it’s often impossible to discover…who is filling social media with lies, who’s poisoning our minds with pseudo-science and propaganda, and who’s deciding which versions of events go viral and which stay under wraps.

Quote:n Musk’s vision of Twitter and the internet, he’d be the wizard behind the curtain…

In reality, that world would be dominated by the richest and most powerful people in the world, who wouldn’t be accountable to anyone for facts, truth, science or the common good.

That’s Musk’s dream. And Trump’s. And Putin’s. And the dream of every dictator, strongman, demagogue and modern-day robber baron on Earth. For the rest of us, it would be a brave new nightmare.

Quote:Musk has long advocated a libertarian vision of an “uncontrolled” internet. That vision is dangerous rubbish. There’s no such animal, and there never will be.

Quote:Musk advocates free speech, but in reality it’s just about power.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/12/elon-musk-internet-twitter

From MSNBC:

Quote:“I mean, I’m going to be honest, Elon Musk is a danger to Twitter and to freedom of speech. He has been known to say some of the most transphobic and homophobic things to his millions of followers. So creating an arena for hate? To me, that’s what that sounds like — an opportunity for him to have no consequences. To have no flags. For people just to be able to do whatever it is and say whatever they want regardless of what kind of harm that it causes. So I think that this is something that folks really need to be paying attention to, because I think that Elon Musk buying Twitter or creating this quote-unquote ‘arena’ would be problematic.”

https://twitter.com/i/status/1516045139122212864

Pretty much wash, rinse, repeat on a constant basis from lefties.

Anything else you wish to have served up for you?

Oh damn... that seems pretty snarky! Is this where I need to start clutching my pearls and accusing you of snark? That's what we do here, correct?

Anyway... thanks for serving up those examples, bro. However, I had already pointed out that I was aware of instances where people voiced concerns over Elon's potential ownership of Twitter. What I had asked about was some information on the idea that liberals IN GENERAL were freaking out over free speech on Twitter. OO seems to make generalizations about the left as it relates to this issue.

*edit* Probably this is a pointless discussion. It's just sort of annoying to hear "The left is up in arms over X, Y, or Z" when some people go on news shows or post on twitter. It's like if somebody when on Fox News and demanded reparations. You could certainly find some twitter posts supporting this as well. Does this mean that "THE LEFT is demanding reparations!"?

No, it would mean that pretty much the only people demanding reparations were on the left, and pretty much the only people supporting reparations were on the left, and the people demanding proof that leftists were demanding and supporting reparations were on the left.

Nobody on the right is worried at all about Musk buying Twitter. That only leaves...guess who? The Russians again?

OK... nobody on the left is a featured speaker at white supremacist conferences. That only leaves... guess who?

Does that mean "people on the right love to engage with white supremacists"?

(04-20-2022 09:57 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-20-2022 09:35 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(04-20-2022 09:04 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(04-20-2022 08:25 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(04-19-2022 10:09 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  So 93 wants 'examples' of lefty outrage over Musk --- it took me all of one site to find this from ex-Clinton Secy Labor Robert Reich.





https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/12/elon-musk-internet-twitter

From MSNBC:


https://twitter.com/i/status/1516045139122212864

Pretty much wash, rinse, repeat on a constant basis from lefties.

Anything else you wish to have served up for you?

Oh damn... that seems pretty snarky! Is this where I need to start clutching my pearls and accusing you of snark? That's what we do here, correct?

Anyway... thanks for serving up those examples, bro. However, I had already pointed out that I was aware of instances where people voiced concerns over Elon's potential ownership of Twitter. What I had asked about was some information on the idea that liberals IN GENERAL were freaking out over free speech on Twitter. OO seems to make generalizations about the left as it relates to this issue.

*edit* Probably this is a pointless discussion. It's just sort of annoying to hear "The left is up in arms over X, Y, or Z" when some people go on news shows or post on twitter. It's like if somebody when on Fox News and demanded reparations. You could certainly find some twitter posts supporting this as well. Does this mean that "THE LEFT is demanding reparations!"?

No, it would mean that pretty much the only people demanding reparations were on the left, and pretty much the only people supporting reparations were on the left, and the people demanding proof that leftists were demanding and supporting reparations were on the left.

Nobody on the right is worried at all about Musk buying Twitter. That only leaves...guess who? The Russians again?

OK... nobody on the left is a featured speaker at white supremacist conferences. That only leaves... guess who?

Does that mean "people on the right love to engage with white supremacists"?

However many on the the left are actually racist. So nice try at painting with the 'racist' brush.

(04-19-2022 04:14 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(04-19-2022 03:56 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(04-19-2022 12:44 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  I just wasn't familiar with a concerted effort from the left to suppress free speech on twitter.

Really? There were numerous conversations about it on this forum?

I read mention of the Twitter/Musk issue on the forum. I seem to recall some surmising that the left would be up in arms about Musk "running" a powerful social network. I just don't recall seeing a concerted effort from the left pushing against free speech on Twitter (again... certainly extremists might be shouting about it but I'm talking about a general leftist opinion.

Can you point me to the area where there were articles posted here that outlined that?

(04-20-2022 09:33 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Here's something for ya, 93

(04-20-2022 10:42 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  One of the more amusing ones to me is the one about gay marriage. Like many of these other issues, the right didn't care about them in 1970 because NOBODY cared about them in 1970. Even they weren't interested in getting married. In the 1990's even the left was generally against it including the then President Clinton and his wife, Hillary. since then, most of the left (and large swaths of the right as well) have 'evolved' on the issue and only a relative few have an issue with it... and of course that can't be tolerated.

(04-20-2022 10:42 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  One of the more amusing ones to me is the one about gay marriage. Like many of these other issues, the right didn't care about them in 1970 because NOBODY cared about them in 1970. Even they weren't interested in getting married. In the 1990's even the left was generally against it including the then President Clinton and his wife, Hillary. since then, most of the left (and large swaths of the right as well) have 'evolved' on the issue and only a relative few have an issue with it... and of course that can't be tolerated.

(04-20-2022 10:08 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(04-20-2022 09:57 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-20-2022 09:35 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(04-20-2022 09:04 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(04-20-2022 08:25 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  Oh damn... that seems pretty snarky! Is this where I need to start clutching my pearls and accusing you of snark? That's what we do here, correct?

Anyway... thanks for serving up those examples, bro. However, I had already pointed out that I was aware of instances where people voiced concerns over Elon's potential ownership of Twitter. What I had asked about was some information on the idea that liberals IN GENERAL were freaking out over free speech on Twitter. OO seems to make generalizations about the left as it relates to this issue.

*edit* Probably this is a pointless discussion. It's just sort of annoying to hear "The left is up in arms over X, Y, or Z" when some people go on news shows or post on twitter. It's like if somebody when on Fox News and demanded reparations. You could certainly find some twitter posts supporting this as well. Does this mean that "THE LEFT is demanding reparations!"?

No, it would mean that pretty much the only people demanding reparations were on the left, and pretty much the only people supporting reparations were on the left, and the people demanding proof that leftists were demanding and supporting reparations were on the left.

Nobody on the right is worried at all about Musk buying Twitter. That only leaves...guess who? The Russians again?

OK... nobody on the left is a featured speaker at white supremacist conferences. That only leaves... guess who?

Does that mean "people on the right love to engage with white supremacists"?

However many on the the left are actually racist. So nice try at painting with the 'racist' brush.

LOL... painting with a brush. The point of the post that I quoted was about avoiding generalizing the entire "right" and "left".

Anyway... like I said... probably a pointless topic. I'm sorry I brought it up.

(04-20-2022 12:01 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I'll man up and say white supremacy is a child of the right.

(04-20-2022 12:01 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-20-2022 10:08 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(04-20-2022 09:57 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-20-2022 09:35 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(04-20-2022 09:04 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  No, it would mean that pretty much the only people demanding reparations were on the left, and pretty much the only people supporting reparations were on the left, and the people demanding proof that leftists were demanding and supporting reparations were on the left.

Nobody on the right is worried at all about Musk buying Twitter. That only leaves...guess who? The Russians again?

OK... nobody on the left is a featured speaker at white supremacist conferences. That only leaves... guess who?

Does that mean "people on the right love to engage with white supremacists"?

However many on the the left are actually racist. So nice try at painting with the 'racist' brush.

LOL... painting with a brush. The point of the post that I quoted was about avoiding generalizing the entire "right" and "left".

Anyway... like I said... probably a pointless topic. I'm sorry I brought it up.

What you didn't stop and think about is that in your proferred definition that 'one can only say a political bent supports a position when all support is' really doesn't fly. In fact using that tact results in no side ever supports any position.

I'll man up and say white supremacy is a child of the right. Racism in general has support on both left and right

In this instance the call against Elon and the associated attack on free speech is a child of the left. No matter how much you dance a jig on the subject.

(04-20-2022 11:42 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Wait, this whole attack on me was to make the point that every person on the left is not the same on every issue?

(04-20-2022 12:37 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(04-20-2022 12:01 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-20-2022 10:08 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(04-20-2022 09:57 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-20-2022 09:35 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  OK... nobody on the left is a featured speaker at white supremacist conferences. That only leaves... guess who?

Does that mean "people on the right love to engage with white supremacists"?

However many on the the left are actually racist. So nice try at painting with the 'racist' brush.

LOL... painting with a brush. The point of the post that I quoted was about avoiding generalizing the entire "right" and "left".

Anyway... like I said... probably a pointless topic. I'm sorry I brought it up.

What you didn't stop and think about is that in your proferred definition that 'one can only say a political bent supports a position when all support is' really doesn't fly. In fact using that tact results in no side ever supports any position.

I'll man up and say white supremacy is a child of the right. Racism in general has support on both left and right

In this instance the call against Elon and the associated attack on free speech is a child of the left. No matter how much you dance a jig on the subject.

Of course it is. I fully acknowledge that a certain wackjob element of the left has made limiting free speech a real issue. Again... I was wondering why OO seemed to imply that it as a major issue for the left but I am sorry I brought it up.

(04-20-2022 12:40 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(04-20-2022 11:42 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Wait, this whole attack on me was to make the point that every person on the left is not the same on every issue?

Do you really view the discussion over the past day as an "attack on you"? If so you may have a persecution complex.

(04-20-2022 02:38 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(04-20-2022 12:40 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(04-20-2022 11:42 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Wait, this whole attack on me was to make the point that every person on the left is not the same on every issue?

Do you really view the discussion over the past day as an "attack on you"? If so you may have a persecution complex.

I consider THIS SENTENCE as directed specifically at me":

OO seems to make generalizations about the left as it relates to this.

Since it seems to be a negative comment on me, I think it fits under the umbrella of attacks on me. No a major one, more like a mosquito bite, but still a bite.

No big deal. Feel free to keep on making comments about me.