(11-20-2020 12:58 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  James Franklin threatened retaliation against a player if he reported a star player pulling a knife on him, and the lawsuit alleges that Penn State has a nasty hasting culture including players threatening to "Sandusky" players they are hazing.

https://twitter.com/SportsLawLust/status/1329804606919106562

Looks like those NCAA sanctions really fixed the culture at PSU*

(11-20-2020 01:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-20-2020 12:58 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  James Franklin threatened retaliation against a player if he reported a star player pulling a knife on him, and the lawsuit alleges that Penn State has a nasty hasting culture including players threatening to "Sandusky" players they are hazing.

https://twitter.com/SportsLawLust/status/1329804606919106562

Looks like those NCAA sanctions really fixed the culture at PSU*

You know, I think it's basically unfair calling Penn State's football culture a "cult" when there are so many other college football-obsessed towns out there.

But then again, there's something off about the State College area. Yes, It's smack in the middle of the country's largest Mega-plex, between DC and Boston - Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Philly and Washington DC are all within a three-hour drive in four different directions- but it is also strangely isolated, like it's in Children of the Corn zone or "The Lottery". It's isolated in plain sight, or something. So there is a weird vibe to it, and I felt that way before Sandusky.

(11-20-2020 01:45 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(11-20-2020 01:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-20-2020 12:58 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  James Franklin threatened retaliation against a player if he reported a star player pulling a knife on him, and the lawsuit alleges that Penn State has a nasty hasting culture including players threatening to "Sandusky" players they are hazing.

https://twitter.com/SportsLawLust/status/1329804606919106562

Looks like those NCAA sanctions really fixed the culture at PSU*

You know, I think it's basically unfair calling Penn State's football culture a "cult" when there are so many other college football-obsessed towns out there.

But then again, there's something off about the State College area. Yes, It's smack in the middle of the country's largest Mega-plex, between DC and Boston - Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Philly and Washington DC are all within a three-hour drive in four different directions- but it is also strangely isolated, like it's in Children of the Corn zone or "The Lottery". It's isolated in plain sight, or something. So there is a weird vibe to it, and I felt that way before Sandusky.

I would not have used the word until the rioting over Paterno, the dismissal by a vast majority of the fanbase of the Sandusky issues and denying that there should be penalties for the football program, and now advocacy for returning the Paterno statue to campus.

(11-20-2020 01:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-20-2020 12:58 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  James Franklin threatened retaliation against a player if he reported a star player pulling a knife on him, and the lawsuit alleges that Penn State has a nasty hasting culture including players threatening to "Sandusky" players they are hazing.

https://twitter.com/SportsLawLust/status/1329804606919106562

Looks like those NCAA sanctions really fixed the culture at PSU*

You know, I think it's basically unfair calling Penn State's football culture a "cult" when there are so many other college football-obsessed towns out there.

But then again, there's something off about the State College area. Yes, It's smack in the middle of the country's largest Mega-plex, between DC and Boston - Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Philly and Washington DC are all within a three-hour drive in four different directions- but it is also strangely isolated, like it's in Children of the Corn zone or "The Lottery". It's isolated in plain sight, or something. So there is a weird vibe to it, and I felt that way before Sandusky.

(11-20-2020 01:54 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(11-20-2020 01:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-20-2020 12:58 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  James Franklin threatened retaliation against a player if he reported a star player pulling a knife on him, and the lawsuit alleges that Penn State has a nasty hasting culture including players threatening to "Sandusky" players they are hazing.

https://twitter.com/SportsLawLust/status/1329804606919106562

Looks like those NCAA sanctions really fixed the culture at PSU*

You know, I think it's basically unfair calling Penn State's football culture a "cult" when there are so many other college football-obsessed towns out there.

But then again, there's something off about the State College area. Yes, It's smack in the middle of the country's largest Mega-plex, between DC and Boston - Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Philly and Washington DC are all within a three-hour drive in four different directions- but it is also strangely isolated, like it's in Children of the Corn zone or "The Lottery". It's isolated in plain sight, or something. So there is a weird vibe to it, and I felt that way before Sandusky.

I've been out there for games, summer sports camps and a couple of pre-CoVid college tours for my kids. THEY refer to it as a cult. They say that they all drank the Kool-Aid. I've seen first hand, the entire cafeteria stop to watch HC JF get lunch and cut line to checkout. Even academic department heads speaking during an open house made a point to talk about how loyal they all are to PSU and how into all of their sports they are. It's on a level far beyond anything I've seen at any other college in the Northeast.

(11-20-2020 01:45 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(11-20-2020 01:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-20-2020 12:58 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  James Franklin threatened retaliation against a player if he reported a star player pulling a knife on him, and the lawsuit alleges that Penn State has a nasty hasting culture including players threatening to "Sandusky" players they are hazing.

https://twitter.com/SportsLawLust/status/1329804606919106562

Looks like those NCAA sanctions really fixed the culture at PSU*

You know, I think it's basically unfair calling Penn State's football culture a "cult" when there are so many other college football-obsessed towns out there.

But then again, there's something off about the State College area. Yes, It's smack in the middle of the country's largest Mega-plex, between DC and Boston - Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Philly and Washington DC are all within a three-hour drive in four different directions- but it is also strangely isolated, like it's in Children of the Corn zone or "The Lottery". It's isolated in plain sight, or something. So there is a weird vibe to it, and I felt that way before Sandusky.

I would not have used the word until the rioting over Paterno, the dismissal by a vast majority of the fanbase of the Sandusky issues and denying that there should be penalties for the football program, and now advocacy for returning the Paterno statue to campus.

(11-20-2020 02:27 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-20-2020 01:54 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(11-20-2020 01:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-20-2020 12:58 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  James Franklin threatened retaliation against a player if he reported a star player pulling a knife on him, and the lawsuit alleges that Penn State has a nasty hasting culture including players threatening to "Sandusky" players they are hazing.

https://twitter.com/SportsLawLust/status/1329804606919106562

Looks like those NCAA sanctions really fixed the culture at PSU*

You know, I think it's basically unfair calling Penn State's football culture a "cult" when there are so many other college football-obsessed towns out there.

But then again, there's something off about the State College area. Yes, It's smack in the middle of the country's largest Mega-plex, between DC and Boston - Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Philly and Washington DC are all within a three-hour drive in four different directions- but it is also strangely isolated, like it's in Children of the Corn zone or "The Lottery". It's isolated in plain sight, or something. So there is a weird vibe to it, and I felt that way before Sandusky.

I've been out there for games, summer sports camps and a couple of pre-CoVid college tours for my kids. THEY refer to it as a cult. They say that they all drank the Kool-Aid. I've seen first hand, the entire cafeteria stop to watch HC JF get lunch and cut line to checkout. Even academic department heads speaking during an open house made a point to talk about how loyal they all are to PSU and how into all of their sports they are. It's on a level far beyond anything I've seen at any other college in the Northeast.

Maybe that last part's the key - PSU seems more cultish than perhaps it is because it is located in an area that is not generally nutso about college football. If it were located somewhere in Texas or Georgia or Louisiana, it might seem a lot more normal, LOL.

(11-20-2020 07:56 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  My brother-in-law is from Erie. His nephew attends the University of Pittsburgh. As a Vanderbilt fan, I appreciate the good work Jim Franklin did for my university.

Having said all that, ... and the posters in this thread might be correct ... there does seem to be at least a slight bit of cult-esque element with Penn State football — from what little I know.

Now, having saving that, and as a long-time Indiana fan ... IU hoops offers a bit of a cult-like following, too.

(11-20-2020 08:54 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-20-2020 07:56 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  My brother-in-law is from Erie. His nephew attends the University of Pittsburgh. As a Vanderbilt fan, I appreciate the good work Jim Franklin did for my university.

Having said all that, ... and the posters in this thread might be correct ... there does seem to be at least a slight bit of cult-esque element with Penn State football — from what little I know.

Now, having saving that, and as a long-time Indiana fan ... IU hoops offers a bit of a cult-like following, too.

Yeah? Franklin and his assistants did a great job at Vandy of covering up a rape. They even tried to make cell phone evidence go away. Boy, I'm a fan, not!

(11-20-2020 08:54 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-20-2020 07:56 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  My brother-in-law is from Erie. His nephew attends the University of Pittsburgh. As a Vanderbilt fan, I appreciate the good work Jim Franklin did for my university.

Having said all that, ... and the posters in this thread might be correct ... there does seem to be at least a slight bit of cult-esque element with Penn State football — from what little I know.

Now, having saving that, and as a long-time Indiana fan ... IU hoops offers a bit of a cult-like following, too.

Yeah? Franklin and his assistants did a great job at Vandy of covering up a rape. They even tried to make cell phone evidence go away. Boy, I'm a fan, not!

(11-20-2020 10:28 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(11-20-2020 08:54 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-20-2020 07:56 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  My brother-in-law is from Erie. His nephew attends the University of Pittsburgh. As a Vanderbilt fan, I appreciate the good work Jim Franklin did for my university.

Having said all that, ... and the posters in this thread might be correct ... there does seem to be at least a slight bit of cult-esque element with Penn State football — from what little I know.

Now, having saving that, and as a long-time Indiana fan ... IU hoops offers a bit of a cult-like following, too.

Yeah? Franklin and his assistants did a great job at Vandy of covering up a rape. They even tried to make cell phone evidence go away. Boy, I'm a fan, not!

Agree 100 percent, JRSec. And that is one, of many, reasons I dislike James Franklin. Good point. The rape rape cover-up was a disaster. It was painful given my family's history with VU goes back to the 1920s.

Conversely, James Franklin got Black Nashvillians "believing in Vandy football," which 1. no previous coach had been able to do and 2. which I strong feel has been helpful to the university I love.

Let me be clear. I am an older white man who has mixed-race, Hispanic, Asian and black family members on both my mother's and father's side of the family. Jim Franklin helped our family "come to grips" with our "diversity as it relates to Vanderbilt football," and I love the man for that.

Does he deserve to be criticized for his flaws? No doubt. I criticize him to this day.

But he did a lot of positives for the university.

(11-20-2020 10:35 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-20-2020 10:28 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(11-20-2020 08:54 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-20-2020 07:56 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  My brother-in-law is from Erie. His nephew attends the University of Pittsburgh. As a Vanderbilt fan, I appreciate the good work Jim Franklin did for my university.

Having said all that, ... and the posters in this thread might be correct ... there does seem to be at least a slight bit of cult-esque element with Penn State football — from what little I know.

Now, having saving that, and as a long-time Indiana fan ... IU hoops offers a bit of a cult-like following, too.

Yeah? Franklin and his assistants did a great job at Vandy of covering up a rape. They even tried to make cell phone evidence go away. Boy, I'm a fan, not!

Agree 100 percent, JRSec. And that is one, of many, reasons I dislike James Franklin. Good point. The rape rape cover-up was a disaster. It was painful given my family's history with VU goes back to the 1920s.

Conversely, James Franklin got Black Nashvillians "believing in Vandy football," which 1. no previous coach had been able to do and 2. which I strong feel has been helpful to the university I love.

Let me be clear. I am an older white man who has mixed-race, Hispanic, Asian and black family members on both my mother's and father's side of the family. Jim Franklin helped our family "come to grips" with our "diversity as it relates to Vanderbilt football," and I love the man for that.

Does he deserve to be criticized for his flaws? No doubt. I criticize him to this day.

But he did a lot of positives for the university.

Bill, I appreciate your ability to find good, but a rape is a life altering heinous act. Justice in such a matter is greater than football. I'll remind you that the Bind Torture Kill mass murderer was a beloved leader in his Lutheran Church. Just saying!

(11-20-2020 10:41 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(11-20-2020 10:35 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-20-2020 10:28 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(11-20-2020 08:54 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-20-2020 07:56 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  My brother-in-law is from Erie. His nephew attends the University of Pittsburgh. As a Vanderbilt fan, I appreciate the good work Jim Franklin did for my university.

Having said all that, ... and the posters in this thread might be correct ... there does seem to be at least a slight bit of cult-esque element with Penn State football — from what little I know.

Now, having saving that, and as a long-time Indiana fan ... IU hoops offers a bit of a cult-like following, too.

Yeah? Franklin and his assistants did a great job at Vandy of covering up a rape. They even tried to make cell phone evidence go away. Boy, I'm a fan, not!

Agree 100 percent, JRSec. And that is one, of many, reasons I dislike James Franklin. Good point. The rape rape cover-up was a disaster. It was painful given my family's history with VU goes back to the 1920s.

Conversely, James Franklin got Black Nashvillians "believing in Vandy football," which 1. no previous coach had been able to do and 2. which I strong feel has been helpful to the university I love.

Let me be clear. I am an older white man who has mixed-race, Hispanic, Asian and black family members on both my mother's and father's side of the family. Jim Franklin helped our family "come to grips" with our "diversity as it relates to Vanderbilt football," and I love the man for that.

Does he deserve to be criticized for his flaws? No doubt. I criticize him to this day.

But he did a lot of positives for the university.

Bill, I appreciate your ability to find good, but a rape is a life altering heinous act. Justice in such a matter is greater than football. I'll remind you that the Bind Torture Kill mass murderer was a beloved leader in his Lutheran Church. Just saying!

As a Catholic who has a relative who is 1. a VU student; and 2. is suffering some severe mental health problems and is hospitalized at VUMC for it ... I would ask you and all the others on this message board to cut this Vandy fan a bit of slack for my pro-Vanderbilt views.

Sorry I brought this up, JRSec. I trust you know I strongly respect you and your views of the SEC. You're a good man and appreciate your understanding.