(11-24-2020 07:26 PM)f1do Wrote:  What this ranking means is BYU better be hunting for another game for 12/5 and will need help to get high enough for a NY6 game. And that 12/5 matchup isn't going to be Cincinnati (why would they not just run their schedule out with their #7 ranking?).

(11-24-2020 07:45 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-24-2020 07:26 PM)f1do Wrote:  What this ranking means is BYU better be hunting for another game for 12/5 and will need help to get high enough for a NY6 game. And that 12/5 matchup isn't going to be Cincinnati (why would they not just run their schedule out with their #7 ranking?).

Other AAC teams may be possible. But Cincy is on track with the way the schedules are set to have a very good chance to sneak in the back door to the play off, that's the benefit of being in a strong conference and knowing you will have strong teams on your schedule guarenteed.

(11-24-2020 07:26 PM)f1do Wrote:  What this ranking means is BYU better be hunting for another game for 12/5 and will need help to get high enough for a NY6 game. And that 12/5 matchup isn't going to be Cincinnati (why would they not just run their schedule out with their #7 ranking?).

(11-24-2020 07:48 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(11-24-2020 07:45 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-24-2020 07:26 PM)f1do Wrote:  What this ranking means is BYU better be hunting for another game for 12/5 and will need help to get high enough for a NY6 game. And that 12/5 matchup isn't going to be Cincinnati (why would they not just run their schedule out with their #7 ranking?).

Other AAC teams may be possible. But Cincy is on track with the way the schedules are set to have a very good chance to sneak in the back door to the play off, that's the benefit of being in a strong conference and knowing you will have strong teams on your schedule guarenteed.

Neither one of them is going to risk a bird in the hand for two in the bush. Playing a middle ranked team hives you a better price. Both are playing with house money right now.

(11-24-2020 07:45 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-24-2020 07:26 PM)f1do Wrote:  What this ranking means is BYU better be hunting for another game for 12/5 and will need help to get high enough for a NY6 game. And that 12/5 matchup isn't going to be Cincinnati (why would they not just run their schedule out with their #7 ranking?).

Other AAC teams may be possible. But Cincy is on track with the way the schedules are set to have a very good chance to sneak in the back door to the play off, that's the benefit of being in a strong conference and knowing you will have strong teams on your schedule guarenteed.

(11-24-2020 07:51 PM)whittx Wrote:  

(11-24-2020 07:48 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(11-24-2020 07:45 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-24-2020 07:26 PM)f1do Wrote:  What this ranking means is BYU better be hunting for another game for 12/5 and will need help to get high enough for a NY6 game. And that 12/5 matchup isn't going to be Cincinnati (why would they not just run their schedule out with their #7 ranking?).

Other AAC teams may be possible. But Cincy is on track with the way the schedules are set to have a very good chance to sneak in the back door to the play off, that's the benefit of being in a strong conference and knowing you will have strong teams on your schedule guarenteed.

Neither one of them is going to risk a bird in the hand for two in the bush. Playing a middle ranked team hives you a better price. Both are playing with house money right now.

If Liberty can knock off Coastal, both teams can play on 12/19.

(11-24-2020 07:48 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(11-24-2020 07:45 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-24-2020 07:26 PM)f1do Wrote:  What this ranking means is BYU better be hunting for another game for 12/5 and will need help to get high enough for a NY6 game. And that 12/5 matchup isn't going to be Cincinnati (why would they not just run their schedule out with their #7 ranking?).

Other AAC teams may be possible. But Cincy is on track with the way the schedules are set to have a very good chance to sneak in the back door to the play off, that's the benefit of being in a strong conference and knowing you will have strong teams on your schedule guarenteed.

Neither one of them is going to risk a bird in the hand for two in the bush. Playing a middle ranked team gives you a better price so see so to speak. Both are playing with house money in that most likely Cincy is in a NY6 and BYU just needs to add one more game over a middle ranked team if possible.

I don’t think that has happened since TCU/Boise that two non-P5 teams made it to a NY6 bowl. And the played each other. That was BS. And that Is what most likely would happen if Cincy and BYU made it (barring a Cincy playoff run).

And if there ever is a g5 that makes the playoffs, they will have the future of the whole g5 on their shoulders in that if they go out and bomb, the G5 will never get another bid (or at least for a looooooong time).

(11-24-2020 08:02 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(11-24-2020 07:51 PM)whittx Wrote:  

(11-24-2020 07:48 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(11-24-2020 07:45 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-24-2020 07:26 PM)f1do Wrote:  What this ranking means is BYU better be hunting for another game for 12/5 and will need help to get high enough for a NY6 game. And that 12/5 matchup isn't going to be Cincinnati (why would they not just run their schedule out with their #7 ranking?).

Other AAC teams may be possible. But Cincy is on track with the way the schedules are set to have a very good chance to sneak in the back door to the play off, that's the benefit of being in a strong conference and knowing you will have strong teams on your schedule guarenteed.

Neither one of them is going to risk a bird in the hand for two in the bush. Playing a middle ranked team hives you a better price. Both are playing with house money right now.

If Liberty can knock off Coastal, both teams can play on 12/19.

You mean BYU and Liberty, right?

(11-24-2020 09:01 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Only way for BYU to get in would be to schedule an A&M should they also be on a bye the final week on the road. Really punished for the SOS, but that’s what happens some years when you are an Indy sans ND.

(11-24-2020 08:49 PM)whittx Wrote:  

(11-24-2020 08:02 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(11-24-2020 07:51 PM)whittx Wrote:  

(11-24-2020 07:48 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(11-24-2020 07:45 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  Other AAC teams may be possible. But Cincy is on track with the way the schedules are set to have a very good chance to sneak in the back door to the play off, that's the benefit of being in a strong conference and knowing you will have strong teams on your schedule guarenteed.

Neither one of them is going to risk a bird in the hand for two in the bush. Playing a middle ranked team hives you a better price. Both are playing with house money right now.

If Liberty can knock off Coastal, both teams can play on 12/19.

You mean BYU and Liberty, right?

Yup

(11-23-2020 01:02 AM)f1do Wrote:  https://twitter.com/johnnywolthuis/status/1330693509909671936

1) PAC cancelled 3 gms vs. #BYU due to COVID, & BYU fills schedule.
2) PAC delays start w/ 6 game season.
3) PAC says won’t play OOC.
4) PAC changes rule bc of cancellations.
5) PAC mandates OCC rules.
6) #UW calls & says play us, but may cancel on Thursday.

Report: #BYU scared

(11-24-2020 07:52 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-24-2020 07:45 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-24-2020 07:26 PM)f1do Wrote:  What this ranking means is BYU better be hunting for another game for 12/5 and will need help to get high enough for a NY6 game. And that 12/5 matchup isn't going to be Cincinnati (why would they not just run their schedule out with their #7 ranking?).

Other AAC teams may be possible. But Cincy is on track with the way the schedules are set to have a very good chance to sneak in the back door to the play off, that's the benefit of being in a strong conference and knowing you will have strong teams on your schedule guarenteed.

Actually, it's the advantage of playing in a pretty good conference with pretty good teams on their schedule. Cincy would have little chance of making the playoffs if, e.g., it had to play the top teams like Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson etc. but thanks to being in the AAC, they avoid all that and get to count games vs UCF, Tulsa and SMU as "good wins".

(11-24-2020 07:52 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-24-2020 07:45 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-24-2020 07:26 PM)f1do Wrote:  What this ranking means is BYU better be hunting for another game for 12/5 and will need help to get high enough for a NY6 game. And that 12/5 matchup isn't going to be Cincinnati (why would they not just run their schedule out with their #7 ranking?).

Other AAC teams may be possible. But Cincy is on track with the way the schedules are set to have a very good chance to sneak in the back door to the play off, that's the benefit of being in a strong conference and knowing you will have strong teams on your schedule guarenteed.

Actually, it's the advantage of playing in a pretty good conference with pretty good teams on their schedule. Cincy would have little chance of making the playoffs if, e.g., it had to play the top teams like Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson etc. but thanks to being in the AAC, they avoid all that and get to count games vs UCF, Tulsa and SMU as "good wins".

(11-24-2020 09:54 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-24-2020 07:52 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-24-2020 07:45 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-24-2020 07:26 PM)f1do Wrote:  What this ranking means is BYU better be hunting for another game for 12/5 and will need help to get high enough for a NY6 game. And that 12/5 matchup isn't going to be Cincinnati (why would they not just run their schedule out with their #7 ranking?).

Other AAC teams may be possible. But Cincy is on track with the way the schedules are set to have a very good chance to sneak in the back door to the play off, that's the benefit of being in a strong conference and knowing you will have strong teams on your schedule guarenteed.

Actually, it's the advantage of playing in a pretty good conference with pretty good teams on their schedule. Cincy would have little chance of making the playoffs if, e.g., it had to play the top teams like Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson etc. but thanks to being in the AAC, they avoid all that and get to count games vs UCF, Tulsa and SMU as "good wins".

Sure. Where is BYU ranked again? Or Marshall? Or Coastal?

Sorry Quo, the committee made it pretty clear, a one loss B12 team would finish behind Cincy and likely a one loss PAC team with a full schedule. Miami with one loss is ranked behind Cincy, so any one loss ACC team as well not named Clemson (or this year ND). The conference matters.

(11-24-2020 09:01 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Only way for BYU to get in would be to schedule an A&M should they also be on a bye the final week on the road. Really punished for the SOS, but that’s what happens some years when you are an Indy sans ND.

(11-25-2020 09:03 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(11-24-2020 07:52 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-24-2020 07:45 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-24-2020 07:26 PM)f1do Wrote:  What this ranking means is BYU better be hunting for another game for 12/5 and will need help to get high enough for a NY6 game. And that 12/5 matchup isn't going to be Cincinnati (why would they not just run their schedule out with their #7 ranking?).

Other AAC teams may be possible. But Cincy is on track with the way the schedules are set to have a very good chance to sneak in the back door to the play off, that's the benefit of being in a strong conference and knowing you will have strong teams on your schedule guarenteed.

Actually, it's the advantage of playing in a pretty good conference with pretty good teams on their schedule. Cincy would have little chance of making the playoffs if, e.g., it had to play the top teams like Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson etc. but thanks to being in the AAC, they avoid all that and get to count games vs UCF, Tulsa and SMU as "good wins".

But nobody is in a conference that consists of Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, etc. Instead Ohio State is paying schools with big names that are bad to mediocre this year; namely Nebraska, Penn State, Michigan State, and Michigan. The Big 12 has teams that lost to Arkansas State and Louisiana. The ACC outside Clemson and Notre Dame doesn't look that much different than teams on UC's schedule like UCF, SMU, Memphis and Tulsa. The PAC12? Idk man- how are you going to compare a team that gets 5-6 games in to a school that plays 12? Oregon's schedule consists of mediocre Oregon State, Washington State, Cal and Stanford-- that's nearly all their schedule outside a date with Washington and the PAC12 championship.

(11-25-2020 09:18 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-25-2020 09:03 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(11-24-2020 07:52 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-24-2020 07:45 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-24-2020 07:26 PM)f1do Wrote:  What this ranking means is BYU better be hunting for another game for 12/5 and will need help to get high enough for a NY6 game. And that 12/5 matchup isn't going to be Cincinnati (why would they not just run their schedule out with their #7 ranking?).

Other AAC teams may be possible. But Cincy is on track with the way the schedules are set to have a very good chance to sneak in the back door to the play off, that's the benefit of being in a strong conference and knowing you will have strong teams on your schedule guarenteed.

Actually, it's the advantage of playing in a pretty good conference with pretty good teams on their schedule. Cincy would have little chance of making the playoffs if, e.g., it had to play the top teams like Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson etc. but thanks to being in the AAC, they avoid all that and get to count games vs UCF, Tulsa and SMU as "good wins".

But nobody is in a conference that consists of Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, etc. Instead Ohio State is paying schools with big names that are bad to mediocre this year; namely Nebraska, Penn State, Michigan State, and Michigan. The Big 12 has teams that lost to Arkansas State and Louisiana. The ACC outside Clemson and Notre Dame doesn't look that much different than teams on UC's schedule like UCF, SMU, Memphis and Tulsa. The PAC12? Idk man- how are you going to compare a team that gets 5-6 games in to a school that plays 12? Oregon's schedule consists of mediocre Oregon State, Washington State, Cal and Stanford-- that's nearly all their schedule outside a date with Washington and the PAC12 championship.

That's all true, but not really my point, which is that Cincy is getting an extraordinarily high ranking for a team that has not and will not play any highly-ranked teams, or possibly any ranked teams at all. All of the other teams that are currently in the Top 10 have or will certainly play another team that is currently in the Top 10, save for Ohio State, and they played #12 Indiana. Cincy has not played anyone ranked in the Top 25, and aren't scheduled to do so until they play #25 Tulsa three weeks from now, and who knows if Tulsa will even be ranked then?

And yet they are #7?

In fact, one can argue that the only reason Tulsa is #25 is so Cincy can claim to have played a top-25 team. It was a nice for Cincy that Tulsa vs Houston was canceled, as the models predicted a 52% chance of Houston winning, and Cincy needs Tulsa to be ranked.

It's extraordinary how high Cincy is, given the lack of test-games on their schedule.

(11-25-2020 09:28 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(11-25-2020 09:18 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-25-2020 09:03 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(11-24-2020 07:52 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-24-2020 07:45 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  Other AAC teams may be possible. But Cincy is on track with the way the schedules are set to have a very good chance to sneak in the back door to the play off, that's the benefit of being in a strong conference and knowing you will have strong teams on your schedule guarenteed.

Actually, it's the advantage of playing in a pretty good conference with pretty good teams on their schedule. Cincy would have little chance of making the playoffs if, e.g., it had to play the top teams like Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson etc. but thanks to being in the AAC, they avoid all that and get to count games vs UCF, Tulsa and SMU as "good wins".

But nobody is in a conference that consists of Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, etc. Instead Ohio State is paying schools with big names that are bad to mediocre this year; namely Nebraska, Penn State, Michigan State, and Michigan. The Big 12 has teams that lost to Arkansas State and Louisiana. The ACC outside Clemson and Notre Dame doesn't look that much different than teams on UC's schedule like UCF, SMU, Memphis and Tulsa. The PAC12? Idk man- how are you going to compare a team that gets 5-6 games in to a school that plays 12? Oregon's schedule consists of mediocre Oregon State, Washington State, Cal and Stanford-- that's nearly all their schedule outside a date with Washington and the PAC12 championship.

That's all true, but not really my point, which is that Cincy is getting an extraordinarily high ranking for a team that has not and will not play any highly-ranked teams, or possibly any ranked teams at all. All of the other teams that are currently in the Top 10 have or will certainly play another team that is currently in the Top 10, save for Ohio State, and they played #12 Indiana. Cincy has not played anyone ranked in the Top 25, and aren't scheduled to do so until they play #25 Tulsa three weeks from now, and who knows if Tulsa will even be ranked then?

And yet they are #7?

In fact, one can argue that the only reason Tulsa is #25 is so Cincy can claim to have played a top-25 team. It was a nice for Cincy that Tulsa vs Houston was canceled, as the models predicted a 52% chance of Houston winning, and Cincy needs Tulsa to be ranked.

It's extraordinary how high Cincy is, given the lack of test-games on their schedule.

Ah but Quo- Cincinnati did play two teams that were ranked (at the time- SMU and Army were ranked), and Tulsa will be the third. UCF, while not ranked, was receiving enough votes that they were one spot away from a Top 25 appearance. The problem with being in the AAC is the voters instantly discredit a loss- dropping you completely out of the Top 25, whereas if you are in a P5 you may only drop a few spots if you lose.

I am not going to sit here and say UC isn't playing teams with the dudes that Clemson, Alabama, etc. have. All I am saying is that they have played some pretty solid opponents and have won handily other than UCF which was a close game.