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RE: *** Official 2020 Election Thread *** - Curumim - 12-09-2020 06:23 PM
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RE: *** Official 2020 Election Thread *** - RobUCF - 12-09-2020 06:30 PM
(12-09-2020 06:15 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:(12-08-2020 04:55 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:(12-08-2020 02:43 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: It's only an anomaly if you assume that the voters who voted in both 2016 and 2020 all voted the exact same way...and that's ridiculous and you know that.
Not really
This gets at the heart of a lot of the assumptions on here. Many people do seem to assume that everyone is going to blindly vote for a single political party every year, on every part of the ballot. That is simply not the case. I say this as one of the people who did not vote for Hillary in 2016 (I'm a registered Libertarian, FWIW) but voted Biden this year because I thought it was that important to get Trump out of office. I don't know why it's difficult to imagine that there are a lot of us who fell into this boat.
Completely agree with this, I am an independent voter and prefer to pick the best candidate, not vote on party lines. My situation isn't that unusual - about a third of the voters (at least in my state) are not registered either Republican or Democrat. Then you add that during the 2016 election neither candidate had a record as president. Four years later and the referendum is about Trump's time as president.
It's not hard to see why voting preferences changed over this time. To assume that those outside of the base for either candidate would vote the same in both elections is a fallacy.
RE: *** Official 2020 Election Thread *** - Redwingtom - 12-10-2020 06:54 AM
(12-09-2020 06:15 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:(12-08-2020 04:55 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:(12-08-2020 02:43 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: It's only an anomaly if you assume that the voters who voted in both 2016 and 2020 all voted the exact same way...and that's ridiculous and you know that.
Not really
This gets at the heart of a lot of the assumptions on here. Many people do seem to assume that everyone is going to blindly vote for a single political party every year, on every part of the ballot. That is simply not the case. I say this as one of the people who did not vote for Hillary in 2016 (I'm a registered Libertarian, FWIW) but voted Biden this year because I thought it was that important to get Trump out of office. I don't know why it's difficult to imagine that there are a lot of us who fell into this boat.
And as I mentioned, exit polls show that this was the case...that trump lost a crucial portion of his voters from 2016...and this is reflected directly in the percentages shown by the Cook Report.
Yes...muh polls.
RE: *** Official 2020 Election Thread *** - Owl 69/70/75 - 12-10-2020 11:47 AM
(12-09-2020 06:15 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:(12-08-2020 04:55 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:This gets at the heart of a lot of the assumptions on here. Many people do seem to assume that everyone is going to blindly vote for a single political party every year, on every part of the ballot. That is simply not the case. I say this as one of the people who did not vote for Hillary in 2016 (I'm a registered Libertarian, FWIW) but voted Biden this year because I thought it was that important to get Trump out of office. I don't know why it's difficult to imagine that there are a lot of us who fell into this boat.(12-08-2020 02:43 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: It's only an anomaly if you assume that the voters who voted in both 2016 and 2020 all voted the exact same way...and that's ridiculous and you know that.Not really
I am technically a registered democrat, because of the way the Texas primary system works--I took a democrat ballot to vote for Hillary in 2008 and 2016, or more correctly to vote against Obama in 2008 and against Bernie in 2016. Both times I saw Hilary as very much the lesser evil.
But I am at heart a Libertarian, and I voted for Johnson in the general in 2012 and 2016. In 2020 I really like Jo Jorgensen, but the party nutcases forced Spike Cohen onto the ticket as VP nominee, and he is truly a nutcase (I supported John Monds, who was Jo's favorite). I despise Joe Biden and I find Kamala Harris to be the most despicable person in current US politics. I don't really like Donald Trump, but like Hillary in the 2008 and 2016, he ended up being the lesser evil for me this time around.
I really don't like having to choose the lesser of evils, and I really don't like it when my lesser evil loses to a greater evil.
RE: *** Official 2020 Election Thread *** - Redwingtom - 12-11-2020 12:24 PM
Another day...you guessed it...another loss. Womp womp
RE: *** Official 2020 Election Thread *** - ODU BBALL - 12-11-2020 01:26 PM
(12-10-2020 06:54 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:(12-09-2020 06:15 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:(12-08-2020 04:55 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:(12-08-2020 02:43 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: It's only an anomaly if you assume that the voters who voted in both 2016 and 2020 all voted the exact same way...and that's ridiculous and you know that.
Not really
This gets at the heart of a lot of the assumptions on here. Many people do seem to assume that everyone is going to blindly vote for a single political party every year, on every part of the ballot. That is simply not the case. I say this as one of the people who did not vote for Hillary in 2016 (I'm a registered Libertarian, FWIW) but voted Biden this year because I thought it was that important to get Trump out of office. I don't know why it's difficult to imagine that there are a lot of us who fell into this boat.
And as I mentioned, exit polls show that this was the case...that trump lost a crucial portion of his voters from 2016...and this is reflected directly in the percentages shown by the Cook Report.
Yes...muh polls.
Trump got more votes than ANY incumbent president in history. He exceeded the number of votes he got in 2016 by several million.
There's no law against people like you believing the election results are accurate and Joe was simply that great of a candidate. Roughly half the country thinks differently about that. It was on the news yesterday that 16% of DEMOCRATS would not vote for Biden today had they known about his dealings with China (that the Left biased news media failed to report). If Biden - or whoever very soon takes over for him in the pre-planned takeover - is inaugurated next month, they will always be viewed as an Illegitimate President.
The polls were wrong in 2016 and the polls were wrong again in 2020.
Yes...muh polls.
RE: *** Official 2020 Election Thread *** - Redbanksdog - 12-13-2020 04:53 PM
After a Judge in Michigan gave attorney Matt DePerno & his team of forensic analysts access to the Dominion machines, the results are in:
The 6000 vote “glitch” that switched votes from Trump to Biden was not human error as claimed by Michigan Secretary of State.
RE: *** Official 2020 Election Thread *** - UofMstateU - 12-13-2020 07:01 PM
(12-13-2020 04:53 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote: After a Judge in Michigan gave attorney Matt DePerno & his team of forensic analysts access to the Dominion machines, the results are in:
The 6000 vote “glitch” that switched votes from Trump to Biden was not human error as claimed by Michigan Secretary of State.
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RE: *** Official 2020 Election Thread *** - Claw - 12-13-2020 07:06 PM
(12-13-2020 04:53 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote: After a Judge in Michigan gave attorney Matt DePerno & his team of forensic analysts access to the Dominion machines, the results are in:
The 6000 vote “glitch” that switched votes from Trump to Biden was not human error as claimed by Michigan Secretary of State.
link?
RE: *** Official 2020 Election Thread *** - UofMstateU - 12-13-2020 07:40 PM
(12-13-2020 07:06 PM)Claw Wrote:(12-13-2020 04:53 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote: After a Judge in Michigan gave attorney Matt DePerno & his team of forensic analysts access to the Dominion machines, the results are in:
The 6000 vote “glitch” that switched votes from Trump to Biden was not human error as claimed by Michigan Secretary of State.
link?
https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/12/12/antrim-county-judge-release-election-results-dominion/6520916002/
They hint at it here. They are attempting to have the judge alow them to release the results to the public.
They have also called on the MI legislature to send Republican electors to the college based upon what they have found.
RE: *** Official 2020 Election Thread *** - Redbanksdog - 12-13-2020 07:57 PM
(12-13-2020 07:06 PM)Claw Wrote:(12-13-2020 04:53 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote: After a Judge in Michigan gave attorney Matt DePerno & his team of forensic analysts access to the Dominion machines, the results are in:
The 6000 vote “glitch” that switched votes from Trump to Biden was not human error as claimed by Michigan Secretary of State.
link?
Sorry about that, https://twitter.com/MichaelCoudrey/status/1338221829622677504
RE: *** Official 2020 Election Thread *** - Redbanksdog - 12-13-2020 08:02 PM
NEW: Hearing expected Monday after MI lawyer files "emergency" motion to unseal findings from forensic imaging of #Antrim County voting machines https://bit.ly/3a4rOPr #election2020
https://twitter.com/paulegan4/status/1337838030158057472
RE: *** Official 2020 Election Thread *** - UofMstateU - 12-13-2020 08:16 PM
More fraud confirmed from NV.
RE: *** Official 2020 Election Thread *** - mptnstr@44 - 12-13-2020 08:20 PM
But wait we're consistently told there is only ever election fraud on a small scale...
never enough to change an election...
almost 4000 illegal votes would certainly be enough to change local or state elections and might be enough for a national election...
Bush v Gore in FL was a margin of around 500 votes.
*** Official 2020 Election Thread *** - UTSAMarineVet09 - 12-13-2020 08:21 PM
But, but, but... there is no voter fraud guys! The leftists on the board said so!
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*** Official 2020 Election Thread *** - UTSAMarineVet09 - 12-13-2020 08:22 PM
But, but, but... there is no voter fraud guys! The leftists on the board said so!
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RE: *** Official 2020 Election Thread *** - bullet - 12-13-2020 10:59 PM
(12-13-2020 08:16 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: More fraud confirmed from NV.
Arrest them and deport them.
RE: *** Official 2020 Election Thread *** - UofMemphis - 12-13-2020 11:01 PM
good lord, y'all are still on the acceptance phase...talk about the short bus.
RE: *** Official 2020 Election Thread *** - Attackcoog - 12-14-2020 01:30 AM
(12-13-2020 08:20 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote: But wait we're consistently told there is only ever election fraud on a small scale...
never enough to change an election...
almost 4000 illegal votes would certainly be enough to change local or state elections and might be enough for a national election...
Bush v Gore in FL was a margin of around 500 votes.
Ands thats just ONE voting issue uncovered and it took a month to unlock all the keys to get it PROVEN. Thats BEFORE we talk about signature re-verifications---which NOBODY has yet had the balls to do (and I think we all know why). Strange how confindent all these election officials talk--but every single one of them fights like hell in court to block any effort to re-verify the signatures on these mail in ballots.
RE: *** Official 2020 Election Thread *** - Attackcoog - 12-14-2020 01:30 AM
(12-13-2020 08:20 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote: But wait we're consistently told there is only ever election fraud on a small scale...
never enough to change an election...
almost 4000 illegal votes would certainly be enough to change local or state elections and might be enough for a national election...
Bush v Gore in FL was a margin of around 500 votes.
And thats just ONE voting issue that was uncovered----and it took a month to unlock all the keys necessary to get it PROVEN. We have not even begun to look seriously at signature re-verifications---which NOBODY has yet had the balls to do a serious audit of these signatures on the mail in ballots (and I think we all know why). Strange how confident all these election officials talk about their "fraud free" elections--but every single one of them fights like hell in court to block any effort to re-verify the signatures on these mail in ballots. That tells you all you need to know about what they really think about the accuracy of their signature verification methods.