(03-19-2021 07:07 PM)GaryMatthews Wrote:  

(03-19-2021 03:32 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(03-19-2021 02:41 PM)Dukester Wrote:  Liberty Top 25 FBS in Football
Liberty #13 seed in Basketball
Liberty more Top 25 votes in Softball

Liberty has clearly communicated goals that are measurable, James Madison does not... This is the first step towards being more than a Longwood with great facilities and a large budget...JMU does not have the cumulative leadership skills.

Accepting mediocrity is the only option to numb the pain...

Where has liberty communicated these goals?

(03-19-2021 09:34 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(03-19-2021 07:07 PM)GaryMatthews Wrote:  

(03-19-2021 03:32 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(03-19-2021 02:41 PM)Dukester Wrote:  Liberty Top 25 FBS in Football
Liberty #13 seed in Basketball
Liberty more Top 25 votes in Softball

Liberty has clearly communicated goals that are measurable, James Madison does not... This is the first step towards being more than a Longwood with great facilities and a large budget...JMU does not have the cumulative leadership skills.

Accepting mediocrity is the only option to numb the pain...

Where has liberty communicated these goals?

Liberty made it very clear that Liberty wanted 1a football, to play athletic peers, to stretch up, to increase donations by engaging alum and fans..this was a first step to defeating was it three or four ACC teams this year?

JMU has not once communicated the desire to play peer universities in football...we are ranked #1 in fcs and struggle to score touchdowns vs schools that don't offer scholarships. JMU football is going backwards, has nowhere to go but backwards. The time to move up has passed... I know the perfect scenario is not knocking down the door but the lack of communication or the "JMU Way" equals not trying at this point...are we trying, where is the communication that we alum can financially support?

Cignetti & Warner claim 1a teams won't schedule JMU because JMU is too good and meantime, we can't score against Elon.

It's bull pooh

(03-19-2021 10:07 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  Come on guys. We have talked about this a bunch. Liberty is a peer with most P5 schools in terms of money available to invest into athletics. Jerry Falwell had a $100 million life policy with the school as the benefactor to start. The large online enrollment in a financial boon for them as well along with being a national private university.

Why do you guys keep comparing JMU to them? It is apples to oranges in terms of financial resources.

JMU compared to App or ODU is fair but not Liberty. You look misinformed making that comparison.

(03-19-2021 10:07 PM)HMK Wrote:  

(03-19-2021 09:34 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(03-19-2021 07:07 PM)GaryMatthews Wrote:  

(03-19-2021 03:32 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(03-19-2021 02:41 PM)Dukester Wrote:  Liberty Top 25 FBS in Football
Liberty #13 seed in Basketball
Liberty more Top 25 votes in Softball

:puke:

Liberty has clearly communicated goals that are measurable, James Madison does not... This is the first step towards being more than a Longwood with great facilities and a large budget...JMU does not have the cumulative leadership skills.

Accepting mediocrity is the only option to numb the pain...

Where has liberty communicated these goals?

Liberty made it very clear that Liberty wanted 1a football, to play athletic peers, to stretch up, to increase donations by engaging alum and fans..this was a first step to defeating was it three or four ACC teams this year?

JMU has not once communicated the desire to play peer universities in football...we are ranked #1 in fcs and struggle to score touchdowns vs schools that don't offer scholarships. JMU football is going backwards, has nowhere to go but backwards. The time to move up has passed... I know the perfect scenario is not knocking down the door but the lack of communication or the "JMU Way" equals not trying at this point...are we trying, where is the communication that we alum can financially support?

Cignetti & Warner claim 1a teams won't schedule JMU because JMU is too good and meantime, we can't score against Elon.

It's bull pooh

I know you are unhappy with the communication and direction of JMU, perhaps Liberty would appreciate your financial support.

(03-19-2021 10:07 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  Come on guys. We have talked about this a bunch. Liberty is a peer with most P5 schools in terms of money available to invest into athletics. Jerry Falwell had a $100 million life policy with the school as the benefactor to start. The large online enrollment in a financial boon for them as well along with being a national private university.

Why do you guys keep comparing JMU to them? It is apples to oranges in terms of financial resources.

JMU compared to App or ODU is fair but not Liberty. You look misinformed making that comparison.

(03-19-2021 10:47 PM)atljmualum Wrote:  

(03-19-2021 10:07 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  Come on guys. We have talked about this a bunch. Liberty is a peer with most P5 schools in terms of money available to invest into athletics. Jerry Falwell had a $100 million life policy with the school as the benefactor to start. The large online enrollment in a financial boon for them as well along with being a national private university.

Why do you guys keep comparing JMU to them? It is apples to oranges in terms of financial resources.

JMU compared to App or ODU is fair but not Liberty. You look misinformed making that comparison.

I don’t disagree that the profile is different but was liberty’s profile different than ours when they were FCS and they were an afterthought? It’s funny to watch people now suggest you can’t compare JMU and Liberty in sports. We were light years ahead of them but they took a risk and elevated their program while we sat idly by.

JMU just spent $100m+ on a new basketball stadium and should be able to appeal as a university to a much larger portion of student athletes that Liberty just based off the social experience and other factors. Why can’t we compare JMU to Liberty in athletics — especially since we all would have laughed if someone said 10 years ago that Liberty’s athletics were on par or ahead of JMU.

Does jMU have the same profile and resources as many FCS and CAA teams? Based on your argument that we can’t compare athletic program success to others with more resources or vastly different profiles, then shouldn’t JMU be crushing the CAA competition across the board?

(03-19-2021 11:03 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(03-19-2021 10:07 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  Come on guys. We have talked about this a bunch. Liberty is a peer with most P5 schools in terms of money available to invest into athletics. Jerry Falwell had a $100 million life policy with the school as the benefactor to start. The large online enrollment in a financial boon for them as well along with being a national private university.

Why do you guys keep comparing JMU to them? It is apples to oranges in terms of financial resources.

JMU compared to App or ODU is fair but not Liberty. You look misinformed making that comparison.

It was not long ago that many posters on this board said LU would never be 1a, said LU could not win at the fcs level and would not be competitive at the 1a level, would not and could not do this or that.....just like App or any other school that progresses.

We have become good at explaining why JMU can't while others do. It's location, timeing of a president, no airport, too many girls that don't give a **** about sports, always something.

(03-20-2021 07:17 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(03-19-2021 10:47 PM)atljmualum Wrote:  

(03-19-2021 10:07 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  Come on guys. We have talked about this a bunch. Liberty is a peer with most P5 schools in terms of money available to invest into athletics. Jerry Falwell had a $100 million life policy with the school as the benefactor to start. The large online enrollment in a financial boon for them as well along with being a national private university.

Why do you guys keep comparing JMU to them? It is apples to oranges in terms of financial resources.

JMU compared to App or ODU is fair but not Liberty. You look misinformed making that comparison.

I don’t disagree that the profile is different but was liberty’s profile different than ours when they were FCS and they were an afterthought? It’s funny to watch people now suggest you can’t compare JMU and Liberty in sports. We were light years ahead of them but they took a risk and elevated their program while we sat idly by.

JMU just spent $100m+ on a new basketball stadium and should be able to appeal as a university to a much larger portion of student athletes that Liberty just based off the social experience and other factors. Why can’t we compare JMU to Liberty in athletics — especially since we all would have laughed if someone said 10 years ago that Liberty’s athletics were on par or ahead of JMU.

Does jMU have the same profile and resources as many FCS and CAA teams? Based on your argument that we can’t compare athletic program success to others with more resources or vastly different profiles, then shouldn’t JMU be crushing the CAA competition across the board?

Ten years ago Liberty likely didn’t have Farwell’s $100 million nor was their online enrollment and national presence what it is today. JMU is a regional state funded university. You guys keep ignoring the academic side of things which by the way is a schools true mission.

JMU hasn’t sat idly while Liberty passed us by. JMU and Liberty have consciously chosen different paths. It’s okay if you don’t like the path and okay for you to say you don’t like the path. What isn’t okay is to insinuate that the leadership is somehow incompetent when they have worked within their own financial limitations to provide facilities that can compare to a wealthy school like Liberty. You should be applauding their efforts for these amazing facilities. The way JMU has funded their growth in the absence of true donor support is actually brilliant.

Please name one other G5 school besides Liberty that pays P5 schools to come play football in their stadium? It is an anomaly.

The truth is athletics giving at JMU isn’t very good and got worse during the pandemic. As great as the school is, alumni don’t open their wallets. I am friends with former and present Duke Club reps. They share story after story of wealthy alums not giving to JMU. The easy solution would be if JMU was in a power five conference. Wallets would open up. We all know that isn’t going to happen.

You guys keep posting the same stuff over and over for years now and those of us who know the truth keep trying to educate you on the facts but you don’t want the truth. You prefer to continue with your Dukeman dialogue so that you can trash the school others love. I honestly don’t understand how anyone can be so over the top negative and yet call themselves a fan. It is an oxymoron.

JMU has chosen to remain FBS for all the reasons shared a thousand times on here. For your own sanity and others too, accept it or move on and support another program. JMU isnot going to read your message board posts and change their minds. The other option is to call Mr. Alger and pledge $100 million toward FBS funding if he will take football in that direction.

(03-19-2021 09:34 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(03-19-2021 07:07 PM)GaryMatthews Wrote:  

(03-19-2021 03:32 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(03-19-2021 02:41 PM)Dukester Wrote:  Liberty Top 25 FBS in Football
Liberty #13 seed in Basketball
Liberty more Top 25 votes in Softball

Liberty has clearly communicated goals that are measurable, James Madison does not... This is the first step towards being more than a Longwood with great facilities and a large budget...JMU does not have the cumulative leadership skills.

Accepting mediocrity is the only option to numb the pain...

Where has liberty communicated these goals?

Liberty made it very clear that Liberty wanted 1a football, to play athletic peers, to stretch up, to increase donations by engaging alum and fans..this was a first step to defeating was it three or four ACC teams this year?

JMU has not once communicated the desire to play peer universities in football...we are ranked #1 in fcs and struggle to score touchdowns vs schools that don't offer scholarships. JMU football is going backwards, has nowhere to go but backwards. The time to move up has passed... I know the perfect scenario is not knocking down the door but the lack of communication or the "JMU Way" equals not trying at this point...are we trying, where is the communication that we alum can financially support?

Cignetti & Warner claim 1a teams won't schedule JMU because JMU is too good and meantime, we can't score against Elon.

It's bull pooh

(03-19-2021 10:07 PM)HMK Wrote:  

(03-19-2021 09:34 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(03-19-2021 07:07 PM)GaryMatthews Wrote:  

(03-19-2021 03:32 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(03-19-2021 02:41 PM)Dukester Wrote:  Liberty Top 25 FBS in Football
Liberty #13 seed in Basketball
Liberty more Top 25 votes in Softball

Liberty has clearly communicated goals that are measurable, James Madison does not... This is the first step towards being more than a Longwood with great facilities and a large budget...JMU does not have the cumulative leadership skills.

Accepting mediocrity is the only option to numb the pain...

Where has liberty communicated these goals?

Liberty made it very clear that Liberty wanted 1a football, to play athletic peers, to stretch up, to increase donations by engaging alum and fans..this was a first step to defeating was it three or four ACC teams this year?

JMU has not once communicated the desire to play peer universities in football...we are ranked #1 in fcs and struggle to score touchdowns vs schools that don't offer scholarships. JMU football is going backwards, has nowhere to go but backwards. The time to move up has passed... I know the perfect scenario is not knocking down the door but the lack of communication or the "JMU Way" equals not trying at this point...are we trying, where is the communication that we alum can financially support?

Cignetti & Warner claim 1a teams won't schedule JMU because JMU is too good and meantime, we can't score against Elon.

It's bull pooh

I know you are unhappy with the communication and direction of JMU, perhaps Liberty would appreciate your financial support.

(03-20-2021 06:26 PM)NH/JMU Saxkow Wrote:  Seeing as how their former president (Baby Falwell), current AD (McCaw), and current Football coach (Freeze) are not exactly the strongest moral or ethical leaders, would anyone really be surprised to see Liberty hit with accusations of improprieties and sanctions within the next few years?

(Comparing our "journey" to Appy is fine and legitimate. Looking at Liberty as an example of how our school should do things is probably a bad choice.)

(03-20-2021 08:56 PM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(03-20-2021 06:26 PM)NH/JMU Saxkow Wrote:  Seeing as how their former president (Baby Falwell), current AD (McCaw), and current Football coach (Freeze) are not exactly the strongest moral or ethical leaders, would anyone really be surprised to see Liberty hit with accusations of improprieties and sanctions within the next few years?

(Comparing our "journey" to Appy is fine and legitimate. Looking at Liberty as an example of how our school should do things is probably a bad choice.)

...and another thing. LIBERTY ISN'T INTERESTED IN ACTUAL EDUCATION. They're a private school, looking to rake in tuition from a group of people who want their kids to learn antiquated notions of masculinity, femininity, and let's be honest, white supremacy, and are willing to pay boatloads of money for it. They want to be the "evangelical" version of BYU or Notre Dame, and as a result, spending piles of money on athletics (aka marketing) is reasonable for them. In fact, it helps them brag about how "right" they are.

Is that JMU's role? Should it be? I've long thought the idea of "I feel left out when VT and UVa co-workers talk about their football team at the water cooler." I mean, you could have considered that when you applied, or maybe transferred to a football school.

Do I wish the CAA were more competitive? Absolutely. But if you feel that left out by Liberty's good football team and steady stream of Brett Kavanaugh lookalikes, then I'm afraid JMU was never really going to be what you wanted.

(03-20-2021 09:08 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(03-20-2021 08:56 PM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(03-20-2021 06:26 PM)NH/JMU Saxkow Wrote:  Seeing as how their former president (Baby Falwell), current AD (McCaw), and current Football coach (Freeze) are not exactly the strongest moral or ethical leaders, would anyone really be surprised to see Liberty hit with accusations of improprieties and sanctions within the next few years?

(Comparing our "journey" to Appy is fine and legitimate. Looking at Liberty as an example of how our school should do things is probably a bad choice.)

...and another thing. LIBERTY ISN'T INTERESTED IN ACTUAL EDUCATION. They're a private school, looking to rake in tuition from a group of people who want their kids to learn antiquated notions of masculinity, femininity, and let's be honest, white supremacy, and are willing to pay boatloads of money for it. They want to be the "evangelical" version of BYU or Notre Dame, and as a result, spending piles of money on athletics (aka marketing) is reasonable for them. In fact, it helps them brag about how "right" they are.

Is that JMU's role? Should it be? I've long thought the idea of "I feel left out when VT and UVa co-workers talk about their football team at the water cooler." I mean, you could have considered that when you applied, or maybe transferred to a football school.

Do I wish the CAA were more competitive? Absolutely. But if you feel that left out by Liberty's good football team and steady stream of Brett Kavanaugh lookalikes, then I'm afraid JMU was never really going to be what you wanted.

Well stated.

(03-21-2021 07:50 AM)atljmualum Wrote:  

(03-20-2021 09:08 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(03-20-2021 08:56 PM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(03-20-2021 06:26 PM)NH/JMU Saxkow Wrote:  Seeing as how their former president (Baby Falwell), current AD (McCaw), and current Football coach (Freeze) are not exactly the strongest moral or ethical leaders, would anyone really be surprised to see Liberty hit with accusations of improprieties and sanctions within the next few years?

(Comparing our "journey" to Appy is fine and legitimate. Looking at Liberty as an example of how our school should do things is probably a bad choice.)

...and another thing. LIBERTY ISN'T INTERESTED IN ACTUAL EDUCATION. They're a private school, looking to rake in tuition from a group of people who want their kids to learn antiquated notions of masculinity, femininity, and let's be honest, white supremacy, and are willing to pay boatloads of money for it. They want to be the "evangelical" version of BYU or Notre Dame, and as a result, spending piles of money on athletics (aka marketing) is reasonable for them. In fact, it helps them brag about how "right" they are.

Is that JMU's role? Should it be? I've long thought the idea of "I feel left out when VT and UVa co-workers talk about their football team at the water cooler." I mean, you could have considered that when you applied, or maybe transferred to a football school.

Do I wish the CAA were more competitive? Absolutely. But if you feel that left out by Liberty's good football team and steady stream of Brett Kavanaugh lookalikes, then I'm afraid JMU was never really going to be what you wanted.

Well stated.

Well stated if we wanted to hear him rant about his political views on a sports message board but sure.

(03-20-2021 08:56 PM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(03-20-2021 06:26 PM)NH/JMU Saxkow Wrote:  Seeing as how their former president (Baby Falwell), current AD (McCaw), and current Football coach (Freeze) are not exactly the strongest moral or ethical leaders, would anyone really be surprised to see Liberty hit with accusations of improprieties and sanctions within the next few years?

(Comparing our "journey" to Appy is fine and legitimate. Looking at Liberty as an example of how our school should do things is probably a bad choice.)

...and another thing. LIBERTY ISN'T INTERESTED IN ACTUAL EDUCATION. They're a private school, looking to rake in tuition from a group of people who want their kids to learn antiquated notions of masculinity, femininity, and let's be honest, white supremacy....