(12-23-2020 10:26 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 10:19 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 09:31 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 09:17 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  MWC will snap up UTEP imo, not NDSU football.

Probably a better domino for JMU actually

Cusa North

ODU
Marshall
JMU
Charlotte
Western Kentucky
Middle Tennessee
Uab

South
Fau
FIU
Southern Miss
La Tech
Rice
North Texas
UTSA

I believe this is the most realistic realignment scenario that involves JMU getting into an FBS conference.

If CUSA loses one member it's going to reveal just how deep the rift between East and West is and might never agree on a replacement.

(12-23-2020 10:54 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(12-23-2020 10:26 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 10:19 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 09:31 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 09:17 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  MWC will snap up UTEP imo, not NDSU football.

Probably a better domino for JMU actually

Cusa North

ODU
Marshall
JMU
Charlotte
Western Kentucky
Middle Tennessee
Uab

South
Fau
FIU
Southern Miss
La Tech
Rice
North Texas
UTSA

I believe this is the most realistic realignment scenario that involves JMU getting into an FBS conference.

If CUSA loses one member it's going to reveal just how deep the rift between East and West is and might never agree on a replacement.

If we added someone like Texas State or New Mexico State it will show we care more about keeping nice neat divisions over adding a school to strengthen the league.

(12-23-2020 11:13 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(12-23-2020 10:54 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(12-23-2020 10:26 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 10:19 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 09:31 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  Probably a better domino for JMU actually

Cusa North

ODU
Marshall
JMU
Charlotte
Western Kentucky
Middle Tennessee
Uab

South
Fau
FIU
Southern Miss
La Tech
Rice
North Texas
UTSA

I believe this is the most realistic realignment scenario that involves JMU getting into an FBS conference.

If CUSA loses one member it's going to reveal just how deep the rift between East and West is and might never agree on a replacement.

If we added someone like Texas State or New Mexico State it will show we care more about keeping nice neat divisions over adding a school to strengthen the league.

I agree but that's what the west will want but their geography is already tighter and divisions are just for FB anyway. The only problem is who would go west. You'd have to split up WKU & MT which is one of our few true rivalries. Permanent crossover? IDK, it would be a mess. Best scenario is they go strong into TX and take 3, add the dukies and push both MT & WKU west and get the damn basketball tourney out of TX.

(12-23-2020 11:24 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(12-23-2020 11:13 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(12-23-2020 10:54 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(12-23-2020 10:26 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(12-22-2020 10:19 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  I believe this is the most realistic realignment scenario that involves JMU getting into an FBS conference.

If CUSA loses one member it's going to reveal just how deep the rift between East and West is and might never agree on a replacement.

If we added someone like Texas State or New Mexico State it will show we care more about keeping nice neat divisions over adding a school to strengthen the league.

I agree but that's what the west will want but their geography is already tighter and divisions are just for FB anyway. The only problem is who would go west. You'd have to split up WKU & MT which is one of our few true rivalries. Permanent crossover? IDK, it would be a mess. Best scenario is they go strong into TX and take 3, add the dukies and push both MT & WKU west and get the damn basketball tourney out of TX.

We could go North/South as the JMU poster suggested.

(12-20-2020 09:45 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(12-20-2020 08:53 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(12-20-2020 08:47 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(12-20-2020 08:03 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(12-20-2020 07:27 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  The. Postseason. Isn’t. The. Prize. For. FBS.

Exactly! It is the 12-game regular season against good competition that counts, not a single, non-attended POS bowl game. Why has that been so hard to understand?

Yet there are playoffs and big bowl games that go on into January that put a cap on the season for fans and the masses. The really good G5 season gets kind of lost when it’s all said and done.

Again, the prize isn't a 3-point win against Kent State in the Toilet Bowl. It is packing the house all season long against our true peers, who are not Morehead State and Norfolk State. They are UVA, Tech, ODU, Liberty, Coastal, and Appy, who, unlike us, are FBS.

The bowl does matter and it’s underwhelming and insulting. App State has practically done everything right and look at their bowl opponents. A slightly down year this season and they get an under .500 CUSA team in a bowl? Maybe JMU would have a better chance at a better bowl because we have a more appealing brand than the Apps and Marshall’s and Coastal’s as proven by our relative TV ratings but we’d end up getting hosed too.

(12-23-2020 06:03 PM)HMK Wrote:  

(12-20-2020 09:45 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(12-20-2020 08:53 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(12-20-2020 08:47 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(12-20-2020 08:03 PM)Purple Wrote:  Exactly! It is the 12-game regular season against good competition that counts, not a single, non-attended POS bowl game. Why has that been so hard to understand?

Yet there are playoffs and big bowl games that go on into January that put a cap on the season for fans and the masses. The really good G5 season gets kind of lost when it’s all said and done.

Again, the prize isn't a 3-point win against Kent State in the Toilet Bowl. It is packing the house all season long against our true peers, who are not Morehead State and Norfolk State. They are UVA, Tech, ODU, Liberty, Coastal, and Appy, who, unlike us, are FBS.

The bowl does matter and it’s underwhelming and insulting. App State has practically done everything right and look at their bowl opponents. A slightly down year this season and they get an under .500 CUSA team in a bowl? Maybe JMU would have a better chance at a better bowl because we have a more appealing brand than the Apps and Marshall’s and Coastal’s as proven by our relative TV ratings but we’d end up getting hosed too.

Looks like Coastal's president is not happy:
https://sports.yahoo.com/coastal-carolina-president-pens-letter-complaining-about-lack-of-fairness-in-college-footballs-postseason-193402317.html?ncid=facebook_yahoosport_l0w2dc1068w&fbclid=IwAR0M6sdNJugp_C-h4mgcz2JNVqMXx6te8lLkGVbuuzsr9WxxLXaJv1xKiH8

(12-23-2020 07:19 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  "Liberty MIGHT not get a bowl - so JMU should never go FBS!"

Liberty getting a bowl against #12 CCU

(12-23-2020 10:59 PM)FBS Dave Wrote:  CFP should eventually go to 12 teams.

Cincinnati and CCU would be included in this format.

(12-24-2020 07:42 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(12-23-2020 10:59 PM)FBS Dave Wrote:  CFP should eventually go to 12 teams.

Cincinnati and CCU would be included in this format.

How long has the CFP been around and at 4? How many years before was it just 2? How many years have people said it should be expanded? To expect 12 and inclusion for G5 in our lifetime is a real stretch. More likely that the P5 breaks away from the NCAA than that.

(12-24-2020 08:46 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(12-24-2020 07:42 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(12-23-2020 10:59 PM)FBS Dave Wrote:  CFP should eventually go to 12 teams.

Cincinnati and CCU would be included in this format.

How long has the CFP been around and at 4? How many years before was it just 2? How many years have people said it should be expanded? To expect 12 and inclusion for G5 in our lifetime is a real stretch. More likely that the P5 breaks away from the NCAA than that.

Yep. The P5 isn't inviting any "outsiders" into their playoff country club. It will likely take another decade or two until G5's finally come to grips with this fully. I'm not saying it is right, but I'm saying it is reality. Every year there will be undefeated G5 programs on the outside looking in. Every year there will be upset G5 coaches/presidents/fanbases who claim they deserve a chance...and, every year, the P5's won't lose a second of sleep over any perceived injustices by those who are upset. The P5 has all the power and zero incentive to change the status-quo, while the G5 has next-to-zero leverage to do anything about it. Again, reality.

(12-24-2020 09:33 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(12-24-2020 08:46 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(12-24-2020 07:42 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(12-23-2020 10:59 PM)FBS Dave Wrote:  CFP should eventually go to 12 teams.

Cincinnati and CCU would be included in this format.

How long has the CFP been around and at 4? How many years before was it just 2? How many years have people said it should be expanded? To expect 12 and inclusion for G5 in our lifetime is a real stretch. More likely that the P5 breaks away from the NCAA than that.

Yep. The P5 isn't inviting any "outsiders" into their playoff country club. It will likely take another decade or two until G5's finally come to grips with this fully. I'm not saying it is right, but I'm saying it is reality. Every year there will be undefeated G5 programs on the outside looking in. Every year there will be upset G5 coaches/presidents/fanbases who claim they deserve a chance...and, every year, the P5's won't lose a second of sleep over any perceived injustices by those who are upset. The P5 has all the power and zero incentive to change the status-quo, while the G5 has next-to-zero leverage to do anything about it. Again, reality.

There has not been a G5 that has been top four since the playoffs. This year BYU and Cinci are 13 & 16. Unless you are one of 4 schools, even if from a power 5 conference, you don't stand much chance of the playoff.

I was one that thought once they got to 4 teams in the playoffs it would expand fairly quickly. I still think a top 16 playoff would make the most sense. The matchups would be awesome for all games.

(12-26-2020 06:36 PM)White Hall Wrote:  Think most likely scenario will be 8. This way, each P5 and highest G5 gets an auto bid and two at large. The P5 are happy because nobody will get left out, they avoid a lawsuit by throwing a bone to the G5, keep ND happy with 2 at large and get to keep the major bowls involved and happy. Everybody wins.

(12-26-2020 10:21 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  Recently We’ve seen more intriguing questions About JMU’s failure to move to FBS and one of the big cons that has been mentioned over the last decade is the increased travel costs.
Somebody may want to do some digging (DNR).

Total JMU athletics spends more for game expenses and travel than every school in the Sun Belt, the CUSA, the MAC, and all but 3 schools in the Mountain West. And it is a huge discrepancy being more than 2X what some of the FBS schools are spending.
I’ve been led to believe these conferences were far flung and cost prohibitive for game expenses and travel.
The numbers don’t agree.

http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org/fbs/sunbelt
http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org/fbs/c-usa
http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org/fbs/mwc
http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org/fcs/james-madison-university