(10-24-2021 08:58 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  The back room dealings were interesting this time around and showed how prior relationships really helped JMU (and others relationships hurt themselves).

The SBC was looking to add two, USM and Marshall.

Some schools wanted to go to 14 to create better regional travel, App being one of the most vocal.

Schools were concerned about splitting tv revenue, but ESPN stepped up to equalize per school payouts.

App pushed for JMU and ODU expecting pushback from the western members for LA Tech and WKU. LA Tech’s attitude towards the SBC and public statements turned them off and WKU previously leaving the Belt didn’t receive western support or significant pushback which was somewhat surprising.

App’s admin has always been a supporter of JMU and tried to get them to come along last time. JMU did turn down the offer (I’m not here to debate the primary reason).

In just seven years App’s AD has gained a ton of respect in that room and now molded the ideal eastern division for us (as well as easing one of JMUs previous concerns). I just hope we can keep him a few more years.

Welcome to the conference. Give humility a chance upon entrance though.

(10-24-2021 05:08 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 08:58 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  The back room dealings were interesting this time around and showed how prior relationships really helped JMU (and others relationships hurt themselves).

The SBC was looking to add two, USM and Marshall.

Some schools wanted to go to 14 to create better regional travel, App being one of the most vocal.

Schools were concerned about splitting tv revenue, but ESPN stepped up to equalize per school payouts.

App pushed for JMU and ODU expecting pushback from the western members for LA Tech and WKU. LA Tech’s attitude towards the SBC and public statements turned them off and WKU previously leaving the Belt didn’t receive western support or significant pushback which was somewhat surprising.

App’s admin has always been a supporter of JMU and tried to get them to come along last time. JMU did turn down the offer (I’m not here to debate the primary reason).

In just seven years App’s AD has gained a ton of respect in that room and now molded the ideal eastern division for us (as well as easing one of JMUs previous concerns). I just hope we can keep him a few more years.

Welcome to the conference. Give humility a chance upon entrance though.

To take further detail here: Understanding SBC expansion means understanding SBC Politics. A group of 7 teams largely makes all decisions for the SBC as a whole: App, Georgia Southern, Coastal, AState, ULL, Troy, and South Alabama. App, GS, AState, and ULL usually act as the leadership of the Big 7, but the other 3 have been more involved of late.

Coastal's leadership flew to Jonesboro and met with AState's 2 weeks ago. App, GS, and ULL were looped into those conversations remotely. During those conversations, App continued to push the 14 team idea. Coastal was a fan of the same plan. AState and UL were hesitant and Georgia Southern was against it (Travel costs for Southern go up significantly) AState has a strong relationship with App and kept an open mind, but the agreement at that moment was to stick with 12 teams

When the AAC took most of the CUSA West, the plans changed. AState joined App on the push for 14 and got ULL's support. AState and ULL were privately concerned that a Marshall/ODU led focus on the CUSA East might eventually be attractive to App eventually, though the knowledge that ESPN didn't like the plan kept App tied to the SBC. The 7 agreed to go to their contact with ESPN and pitch values. Once ESPN came back with enough money to offset the travel concerns of Goergia Southern and Texas State, the 7 proposed unanimously to go to 14 and it got unanimous support.

(10-24-2021 08:58 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  The back room dealings were interesting this time around and showed how prior relationships really helped JMU (and others relationships hurt themselves).

The SBC was looking to add two, USM and Marshall.

Some schools wanted to go to 14 to create better regional travel, App being one of the most vocal.

Schools were concerned about splitting tv revenue, but ESPN stepped up to equalize per school payouts.

App pushed for JMU and ODU expecting pushback from the western members for LA Tech and WKU. LA Tech’s attitude towards the SBC and public statements turned them off and WKU previously leaving the Belt didn’t receive western support or significant pushback which was somewhat surprising.

App’s admin has always been a supporter of JMU and tried to get them to come along last time. JMU did turn down the offer (I’m not here to debate the primary reason).

In just seven years App’s AD has gained a ton of respect in that room and now molded the ideal eastern division for us (as well as easing one of JMUs previous concerns). I just hope we can keep him a few more years.

Welcome to the conference. Give humility a chance upon entrance though.

(10-24-2021 05:08 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 08:58 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  The back room dealings were interesting this time around and showed how prior relationships really helped JMU (and others relationships hurt themselves).

The SBC was looking to add two, USM and Marshall.

Some schools wanted to go to 14 to create better regional travel, App being one of the most vocal.

Schools were concerned about splitting tv revenue, but ESPN stepped up to equalize per school payouts.

App pushed for JMU and ODU expecting pushback from the western members for LA Tech and WKU. LA Tech’s attitude towards the SBC and public statements turned them off and WKU previously leaving the Belt didn’t receive western support or significant pushback which was somewhat surprising.

App’s admin has always been a supporter of JMU and tried to get them to come along last time. JMU did turn down the offer (I’m not here to debate the primary reason).

In just seven years App’s AD has gained a ton of respect in that room and now molded the ideal eastern division for us (as well as easing one of JMUs previous concerns). I just hope we can keep him a few more years.

Welcome to the conference. Give humility a chance upon entrance though.

To take further detail here: Understanding SBC expansion means understanding SBC Politics. A group of 7 teams largely makes all decisions for the SBC as a whole: App, Georgia Southern, Coastal, AState, ULL, Troy, and South Alabama. App, GS, AState, and ULL usually act as the leadership of the Big 7, but the other 3 have been more involved of late.

Coastal's leadership flew to Jonesboro and met with AState's 2 weeks ago. App, GS, and ULL were looped into those conversations remotely. During those conversations, App continued to push the 14 team idea. Coastal was a fan of the same plan. AState and UL were hesitant and Georgia Southern was against it (Travel costs for Southern go up significantly) AState has a strong relationship with App and kept an open mind, but the agreement at that moment was to stick with 12 teams

When the AAC took most of the CUSA West, the plans changed. AState joined App on the push for 14 and got ULL's support. AState and ULL were privately concerned that a Marshall/ODU led focus on the CUSA East might eventually be attractive to App eventually, though the knowledge that ESPN didn't like the plan kept App tied to the SBC. The 7 agreed to go to their contact with ESPN and pitch values. Once ESPN came back with enough money to offset the travel concerns of Goergia Southern and Texas State, the 7 proposed unanimously to go to 14 and it got unanimous support.

(10-24-2021 04:54 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 04:39 PM)ODU2003 Wrote:  Just a quick reminder that JMU has never won a football game against ODU.

Ever.

FFS, you played us TWICE, a 3 point win and a 10 point win, in down years for us with an NFL quarterback on the roster.

This will be corrected shortly

Did you guys even win a single FCS playoff game? Have a hard time remembering, but you sure as heck weren't as awesome as you seem to believe in FCS.

(10-24-2021 05:39 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 04:54 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 04:39 PM)ODU2003 Wrote:  Just a quick reminder that JMU has never won a football game against ODU.

Ever.

FFS, you played us TWICE, a 3 point win and a 10 point win, in down years for us with an NFL quarterback on the roster.

This will be corrected shortly

Did you guys even win a single FCS playoff game? Have a hard time remembering, but you sure as heck weren't as awesome as you seem to believe in FCS.

FYI - If you have not trolled the SBC boards, the SBC mods take posters jabbing at each others a bit soft. They are throwing warnings out for posts that are more tame than the stuff we regularly see with JMU posters going after other JMU posters.

(10-24-2021 06:09 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 05:39 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 04:54 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 04:39 PM)ODU2003 Wrote:  Just a quick reminder that JMU has never won a football game against ODU.

Ever.

FFS, you played us TWICE, a 3 point win and a 10 point win, in down years for us with an NFL quarterback on the roster.

This will be corrected shortly

Did you guys even win a single FCS playoff game? Have a hard time remembering, but you sure as heck weren't as awesome as you seem to believe in FCS.

FYI - If you have not trolled the SBC boards, the SBC mods take posters jabbing at each others a bit soft. They are throwing warnings out for posts that are more tame than the stuff we regularly see with JMU posters going after other JMU posters.

Eh, Its only for specific discussions. The SBC board has problems with arguments taking up entire threads, usually between ULL and either App or Coastal fans, or Tech fans visiting against, well anyone.

We got a little heavy handed of late trying to prevent threads from veering far off course because the same posters are always the guilty parties. There's also very few mods active right now. There's like 7 listed at the top, but two haven't logged in for nearly 2 years now and others are often unavailable. We often have 2 or 3 watching the forum max at a time, which means taking things a bit more heavy handed.

Frankly, I'd rather keep things loose, but its going to take time for everyone to get used to each other. I mentioned this on the SBC forum, but we've never had an active team forum on our site before, and we're about to get two. There's a lot of adjustments that everyone will have to make.

Once things go through, and mods are transitioned over, we'll get together with you guys mods and come up with a plan for how to transition everyone into the same ruleset.

(10-24-2021 06:15 PM)JMaddy Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 06:09 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 05:39 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 04:54 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 04:39 PM)ODU2003 Wrote:  Just a quick reminder that JMU has never won a football game against ODU.

Ever.

FFS, you played us TWICE, a 3 point win and a 10 point win, in down years for us with an NFL quarterback on the roster.

This will be corrected shortly

Did you guys even win a single FCS playoff game? Have a hard time remembering, but you sure as heck weren't as awesome as you seem to believe in FCS.

FYI - If you have not trolled the SBC boards, the SBC mods take posters jabbing at each others a bit soft. They are throwing warnings out for posts that are more tame than the stuff we regularly see with JMU posters going after other JMU posters.

Eh, Its only for specific discussions. The SBC board has problems with arguments taking up entire threads, usually between ULL and either App or Coastal fans, or Tech fans visiting against, well anyone.

We got a little heavy handed of late trying to prevent threads from veering far off course because the same posters are always the guilty parties. There's also very few mods active right now. There's like 7 listed at the top, but two haven't logged in for nearly 2 years now and others are often unavailable. We often have 2 or 3 watching the forum max at a time, which means taking things a bit more heavy handed.

Frankly, I'd rather keep things loose, but its going to take time for everyone to get used to each other. I mentioned this on the SBC forum, but we've never had an active team forum on our site before, and we're about to get two. There's a lot of adjustments that everyone will have to make.

Once things go through, and mods are transitioned over, we'll get together with you guys mods and come up with a plan for how to transition everyone into the same ruleset.

Our guys tend to like sh!t talking at 6 paces.

(10-24-2021 06:31 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  If the initial reports of the new future ESPN media deal are accurate at $2 million per school per year then that doubles the current value which is $1 million per school per year.
In terms of media consumers that seems to indicate the 4 new schools (JMU, ODU, Marshall, and Southern Miss ) are worth an additional $18 million annually for the conference and the current ten teams are worth a total of $10 million annually for the conference. Total of $28 million divided by 14 teams.

The Sun Belt commish and the 10 current schools are all raising a glass to new found money that doubles their TV revenue due to the 4 incoming schools. Perhaps they should be thanking us.

(10-24-2021 07:44 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 07:37 AM)Capt Ed Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 07:33 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 07:19 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 06:15 AM)Capt Ed Wrote:  The egotism and elitism of your great leadership and some JMU posters on this board knows no bounds. Yes, you finally got an invite you felt was worthy of you. But, it wasn't the ACC, AAC, or even C-USA, it was the same conference you snubbed 7 years ago. The one that would hurt your academic reputation, whose schools went to meaningless bowl games, who had to play on week nights, and that just weren't good enough to be associated with.

The main reasons you were invited this time is because of your geographical location and because Marshall insisted, not because of how great you are. Thankfully however, you've been working on getting ready for 7 years and you aren't associated with the Falwell's, allowing the SB member schools to vote yes.

When you're moved to the Sun Belt forums, a little advice. Try to be a little humble. Acknowledge the work App State, Georgia Southern, Louisiana, Coastal, and the rest of the conference put in while you monitored. In the last 7 years the member schools moved the SB from the worst FBS conference to arguably the first or second best. Show some respect. Oh, and ditch those streamers.

Hit it right on the head. One of the many reasons people hate JMU. Half of them are stuck so far up their own asses it’s unbelievable. They really can’t admit that they got good at sports when all of their peers bumped up.

Haha, another joke of incorrect facts that keeps on being spread by the haters.

Go look at who was still in fcs when we won the title in 2004, or in 2005 when we were ranked in top 4 all year, or in 2008 when we beat app state and were ranked #1 all year.

But yea, we were just an ‘average’ fcs program until the last 5 years.

You aren't in Kansas anymore.

And the SB won’t be adding 4 schools that are one-trick ponies like App this time

(10-23-2021 02:59 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  @blackandgoldpod
@appstatenation

(10-24-2021 07:21 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  i've been a big proponent of inviting JMU. But once JMU is in, its **** the dukes, all the time.

Congratulations and i can't wait to hate you on the football field again!

(10-24-2021 01:55 PM)AppinVA Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 01:00 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 11:05 AM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 06:23 PM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  But "we wont play for championships" meanwhile we've been in 4 in all 50 years of JMU football. Give me the idaho potato bowl after a season of playing teams that care about football any day

We've been in the playoffs about 11 times though. And look at what happened to Appy a couple years ago - 9-2 and they play in the Birmingham Bowl in front of like 3000 people.

I think it'll get less bad, but last year's playoff run, even though it ended in the semis to hated SHSU, was more satisfying than that.

I'm ready to move to FBS, but I really wish there were some kind of playoff that excluded the minor-league NFL teams like Ohio State and Alabama.

This could be a way to look at the for playoff lovers...

...the regular season includes teams with similar resources that on any given Saturday may whip our asses preventing us from the chance of playing in the coming CFP system and whipping an Ohio State which can be done.

Just maybe you are so used to making the fcs playoffs that the regular season is just for passing time visiting friends and watching the band until the fcs playoffs.

I want every Saturday to be a make or break to the CFP for JMU and our conference foes and I think that it will happen...

...and somebody will knock off an Ohio State or Oregon at some point.

I’m still trying to figure out when we were in the Birmingham Bowl. And if you’re talking about the Camellia in Montgomery, there were reports that our fans drank bars dry during our first trip. We’re good, but 3,000 can’t quite do that.

(10-24-2021 07:45 PM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 01:55 PM)AppinVA Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 01:00 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(10-24-2021 11:05 AM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(10-23-2021 06:23 PM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  But "we wont play for championships" meanwhile we've been in 4 in all 50 years of JMU football. Give me the idaho potato bowl after a season of playing teams that care about football any day

We've been in the playoffs about 11 times though. And look at what happened to Appy a couple years ago - 9-2 and they play in the Birmingham Bowl in front of like 3000 people.

I think it'll get less bad, but last year's playoff run, even though it ended in the semis to hated SHSU, was more satisfying than that.

I'm ready to move to FBS, but I really wish there were some kind of playoff that excluded the minor-league NFL teams like Ohio State and Alabama.

This could be a way to look at the for playoff lovers...

...the regular season includes teams with similar resources that on any given Saturday may whip our asses preventing us from the chance of playing in the coming CFP system and whipping an Ohio State which can be done.

Just maybe you are so used to making the fcs playoffs that the regular season is just for passing time visiting friends and watching the band until the fcs playoffs.

I want every Saturday to be a make or break to the CFP for JMU and our conference foes and I think that it will happen...

...and somebody will knock off an Ohio State or Oregon at some point.

I’m still trying to figure out when we were in the Birmingham Bowl. And if you’re talking about the Camellia in Montgomery, there were reports that our fans drank bars dry during our first trip. We’re good, but 3,000 can’t quite do that.

2015: 10-2, ASU is in the Camelia Bowl against Ohio, attendance 21k. (Only losses were the Clemson & Arkansas St)
2016: 9-3,(Tenn, Miami & Troy, a "down year") ASU is there again, in front of 20k.
2017: 8-4, won the Dollar General Bowl - good attendance of 28k.
2018: 10-2 (Lost to Penn St & Ga So) - New Orleans Bowl 24k
2019: 13-1 (Ga So agaain) - New Orleans again, 21k.

So that's a team that, in that 5 year span, went 49-11, with most of their losses to p5 teams, and got a lot of also-ran bowls.

Now, I'll repeat that it's time for JMU to go to FCS anyway. But clearly at the G5 level, the postseason pickings are awfully slim.
2017: