(10-15-2021 08:51 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  the complicated part in this from a JMU perspective is that all things being equal as far as geography and tv money, we would prefer CUSA because they sponsor more sports than the SB does.

i believe there is only 1 that CUSA doesn't sponsor, but 4 or 5 the SB doesn't

(10-15-2021 08:25 AM)olddawg Wrote:  

(10-15-2021 07:29 AM)JMUrcc06 Wrote:  

(10-14-2021 08:53 PM)jmu007 Wrote:  

(10-14-2021 08:48 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  I'm just an outsider, reading the boards. I'm curious though, because I don't have a clue: If Marshall ends up in the Sun Belt, which option would JMU fans prefer for "regional rivals"?

Sun Belt with App State and Marshall?
or C-USA with Old Dominion and Charlotte?

In that scenario... Belt.

In that scenario... 100% Belt

More importantly, who would get the rivalry game? One thing I'm most looking forward to in the realignment/FBS is the opportunity for the Thanksgiving weekend rivalry game. To me, rivalry weekend is another top reason to be pro FBS ( in this order: OOC schedule opps > Rivalry Weekend > Bowl Game)

IMO we need a clear and natural rivalry that we can start from day 1.

I felt that ODU-JMU football had all the makings of a good 'ol fashioned, season ending rivalry. If we move up, I'd like to have that game every year, even if we are in different conferences. (Clemson-South Carolina, Georgia-Georgia Tech, Florida-FSU etc).

(10-14-2021 08:48 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  I'm just an outsider, reading the boards. I'm curious though, because I don't have a clue: If Marshall ends up in the Sun Belt, which option would JMU fans prefer for "regional rivals"?

Sun Belt with App State and Marshall?
or C-USA with Old Dominion and Charlotte?

(10-15-2021 10:52 AM)White Hall Wrote:  

(10-15-2021 08:25 AM)olddawg Wrote:  

(10-15-2021 07:29 AM)JMUrcc06 Wrote:  

(10-14-2021 08:53 PM)jmu007 Wrote:  

(10-14-2021 08:48 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  I'm just an outsider, reading the boards. I'm curious though, because I don't have a clue: If Marshall ends up in the Sun Belt, which option would JMU fans prefer for "regional rivals"?

Sun Belt with App State and Marshall?
or C-USA with Old Dominion and Charlotte?

In that scenario... Belt.

In that scenario... 100% Belt

More importantly, who would get the rivalry game? One thing I'm most looking forward to in the realignment/FBS is the opportunity for the Thanksgiving weekend rivalry game. To me, rivalry weekend is another top reason to be pro FBS ( in this order: OOC schedule opps > Rivalry Weekend > Bowl Game)

IMO we need a clear and natural rivalry that we can start from day 1.

I felt that ODU-JMU football had all the makings of a good 'ol fashioned, season ending rivalry. If we move up, I'd like to have that game every year, even if we are in different conferences. (Clemson-South Carolina, Georgia-Georgia Tech, Florida-FSU etc).

I second this. JMU-ODU has all of the makings of a huge regional rivalry. All the students know someone at the other school. Easy drive between the two campuses. History in other sports (who can forget the ‘94 CAA tournament). Urban campus versus college town. Smart kids vs. dumb kids. Water cooler smack talk with bosses vs. employees. I hope we start playing again soon

(10-15-2021 10:52 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(10-14-2021 08:48 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  I'm just an outsider, reading the boards. I'm curious though, because I don't have a clue: If Marshall ends up in the Sun Belt, which option would JMU fans prefer for "regional rivals"?

Sun Belt with App State and Marshall?
or C-USA with Old Dominion and Charlotte?

Belt with Marshall and App

Fuk ODU. I want to be in a conference with ODU but their fan stance that lowly fcs/JMU does not belong with them and ECU etc. is a joke.

(10-15-2021 11:11 AM)14SemesterDuke Wrote:  Thankfully, I have no one I consider my friend who choose to attend the cesspool that is Old Dominion University

(10-15-2021 03:25 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Here is a semi plausible scenario I cooked up I think yall would like

My guesses based on what we think we know

AAC - UAB, Charlotte, Rice, FAU

AAC's Plan A was to get Big 12 schools
AAC's Plan B was to get MWC schools
AAC's Plan C is now replacement, status quo, and minimal damage

UAB fills the Cincinnati slot
Charlotte fills the UConn slot
Rice fills the Houston slot
FAU fills the UCF slot

Not ideal but passable and the market driven AAC is pleased with 4 big market adds

Sunbelt gets a Marshall and USM that fit in well with the culture of the league
MWC gets into TX with N Texas and UTSA and to address the concerns of the Mountain schools and gets Boise in the CA based western division

CUSA is left with ODU, WKU, MTSU, FIU, LA Tech, UTEP

My best case scenario for CUSA at that point

If MTSU/WKU want to stick around instead of trying to get into the MAC, then the CUSA can add JMU and MO St from FCS to get to 8 full time schools
I would also add UConn and UMass for football only.

Then, try to work out a deal with UTEP to get them as a football only member promising them no exit fees and their share of the exit fees from departing schools.
If they can be the WAC #14, then replace them with Liberty as the FBS #8 all sports member

That would give you a solid core of
WKU, MTSU, JMU, Liberty, ODU
with MO St. and LA Tech as travel partners
your requisite Florida school with FIU
and then UMASS, UCONN, UTEP, and NMSU as football only for 12 schools.

If you have a solid core of
WKU, MTSU, JMU, Liberty, ODU
and can build off it, down the line I would approach UMass, VCU, St. Louis, and Dayton about coming on board to solidify the CUSA basketball brand.

END GAME CUSA
UMASS
UConn/VCU
ODU
Liberty
JMU
FIU

WKU
MTSU
MO ST
LA Tech
UTEP/St. Louis
NMSU/Dayton

(10-15-2021 04:05 PM)JMU1985 Wrote:  Solohawks, thanks for the post. That list for CUSA is depressing and looks like more years of losing money. Too much geo spread. We are talking about 2nd tier FBS programs (not a bash but reality). They are not SEC schools that generate interest nationwide. None of the schools, in your list or mine, will compete for an FBS National Championship in our lifetimes. This new conference has to tap into a different emotion and environment to grow and be stable - see MAC. I still say it's something like the following:

JMU
Old Dominion
Marshall
App State
Charlotte
Western KY
Coastal Carolina
ECU
Navy
Army
Mid TN
Georgia State
Temple
Liberty

(10-15-2021 07:01 PM)JMU1985 Wrote:  Solohawks,

AAC lost the following athletic budgets:
Cincy - $81M
Conn - $75M
UCF - $68M
Houston - $67M
The remaining institutions are way less. They are risking the CUSA path of member institutions that lose money every year.

So, it is unlikely that the AAC is going to overlook JMU ($58M) to replace those institutions by going to Marshall ($32M) and Charlotte ($40M). That math does not work. It weakens the conference and moves the AAC closer to the current CUSA mess.

Our athletic budget is bigger, we have more athletic programs, and most all of them are competitive. Our market potential around NOVA and DC compare or exceed Charlotte and most definitely Huntington, WVA.

By the way, Temple($44), ECU($56M), and Navy(Not Avail) are in the AAC.

But I think this all misses the point actually. AAC/CUSA/SB are in a battle. Which one is able to create a meaningful conference with what remains?

I think we have an excellent shot at becoming part of a strong conference. The question is which one wins the battle in play today.

Joining a weak FBS conference is not a good idea for JMU. It's a money pit because the weak conference will have schools with struggling budgets and it will be thrown together with teams that are 'leftover" and it will make no sense to anyone and therefore - no interest - no emotion - no money.

(10-15-2021 07:01 PM)JMU1985 Wrote:  Solohawks,

AAC lost the following athletic budgets:
Cincy - $81M
Conn - $75M
UCF - $68M
Houston - $67M
The remaining institutions are way less. They are risking the CUSA path of member institutions that lose money every year.

So, it is unlikely that the AAC is going to overlook JMU ($58M) to replace those institutions by going to Marshall ($32M) and Charlotte ($40M). That math does not work. It weakens the conference and moves the AAC closer to the current CUSA mess.

Our athletic budget is bigger, we have more athletic programs, and most all of them are competitive. Our market potential around NOVA and DC compare or exceed Charlotte and most definitely Huntington, WVA.

By the way, Temple($44), ECU($56M), and Navy(Not Avail) are in the AAC.

But I think this all misses the point actually. AAC/CUSA/SB are in a battle. Which one is able to create a meaningful conference with what remains?

I think we have an excellent shot at becoming part of a strong conference. The question is which one wins the battle in play today.

Joining a weak FBS conference is not a good idea for JMU. It's a money pit because the weak conference will have schools with struggling budgets and it will be thrown together with teams that are 'leftover" and it will make no sense to anyone and therefore - no interest - no emotion - no money.

(10-15-2021 07:01 PM)JMU1985 Wrote:  Solohawks,

AAC lost the following athletic budgets:
Cincy - $81M
Conn - $75M
UCF - $68M
Houston - $67M
The remaining institutions are way less. They are risking the CUSA path of member institutions that lose money every year.

So, it is unlikely that the AAC is going to overlook JMU ($58M) to replace those institutions by going to Marshall ($32M) and Charlotte ($40M). That math does not work. It weakens the conference and moves the AAC closer to the current CUSA mess.

Our athletic budget is bigger, we have more athletic programs, and most all of them are competitive. Our market potential around NOVA and DC compare or exceed Charlotte and most definitely Huntington, WVA.

By the way, Temple($44), ECU($56M), and Navy(Not Avail) are in the AAC.

But I think this all misses the point actually. AAC/CUSA/SB are in a battle. Which one is able to create a meaningful conference with what remains?

I think we have an excellent shot at becoming part of a strong conference. The question is which one wins the battle in play today.

Joining a weak FBS conference is not a good idea for JMU. It's a money pit because the weak conference will have schools with struggling budgets and it will be thrown together with teams that are 'leftover" and it will make no sense to anyone and therefore - no interest - no emotion - no money.

(10-15-2021 07:01 PM)JMU1985 Wrote:  Solohawks,

AAC lost the following athletic budgets:
Cincy - $81M
Conn - $75M
UCF - $68M
Houston - $67M
The remaining institutions are way less. They are risking the CUSA path of member institutions that lose money every year.

So, it is unlikely that the AAC is going to overlook JMU ($58M) to replace those institutions by going to Marshall ($32M) and Charlotte ($40M). That math does not work. It weakens the conference and moves the AAC closer to the current CUSA mess.

Our athletic budget is bigger, we have more athletic programs, and most all of them are competitive. Our market potential around NOVA and DC compare or exceed Charlotte and most definitely Huntington, WVA.

By the way, Temple($44), ECU($56M), and Navy(Not Avail) are in the AAC.

But I think this all misses the point actually. AAC/CUSA/SB are in a battle. Which one is able to create a meaningful conference with what remains?