(10-07-2021 05:56 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(10-07-2021 06:42 AM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(10-06-2021 09:57 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(10-06-2021 08:52 PM)Hbus Wrote:  There is no chance the AAC invites a current FCS school.

Myself and others have tried to tell them this countless times. I gave up on it. They will just have to wait and see it for themselves I suppose.

No, you haven't. You continue to try and make people believe you have some insider knowledge when you just throw **** against a wall to see what sticks.

Not true. I don't care if anyone believes me or not to be honest. I also specify in posts if something is from a "source" and follow up with, take it for what it's worth.

Anything I post that doesn't say its from a source is completely my opinion like everyone else.

For the record, I think JMU would be a solid add to the AAC but I dont see the AAC ruining their reputation by taking an FCS call up....simple as that.

(10-07-2021 08:57 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  Laugh all you want but it's the truth. I think JMU would be a front runner had you moved up last round and then proven yourself at the FBS level...but the AAC is not going to take an FCS school.

(10-07-2021 09:18 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(10-07-2021 08:57 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  Laugh all you want but it's the truth. I think JMU would be a front runner had you moved up last round and then proven yourself at the FBS level...but the AAC is not going to take an FCS school.

I'm not claiming they are. But it's laughable to claim the AAC would be a laughing stock if they did take JMU.

(10-08-2021 05:35 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  It’s a complete non issue- more about budgets program strength fan support and facilities. The Universities and their leadership don’t care nor does the football fan. They all know who JMU is and what we are all about (winning).

(10-08-2021 08:42 AM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 05:35 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  It’s a complete non issue- more about budgets program strength fan support and facilities. The Universities and their leadership don’t care nor does the football fan. They all know who JMU is and what we are all about (winning).

What makes you so sure it's a non-issue? Obviously we all hope that's the way they look at it but I'd think it's much more likely that being FCS is the biggest hurdle keeping us from an AAC invite. I think herdfan is at least partially right that the AAC wouldn't like the optics of adding an FCS team for their reputation, I hope he isn't completely right that there's zero chance because of it but I'd be more surprised if he's wrong than if he's right.

If being FCS is a non-issue then what's holding us back from being one of the most common names tossed around as a top target and making us just a rare mention as a longshot?

Also definitely not the case that football fans don't care. This message board is full of FCS fans and fans of teams that had a lot of FCS success not so far in the past but in general the typical football fan might or might not even realize FCS is D1 and know who JMU is.

(10-08-2021 08:52 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  As for AAC's 'ruining their reputation'... hasn't it already been ruined by losing three schools and being turned down by AF and CSU?

If they actually feel like JMU is a good fit, it will not be 'ruining their reputation'.... only if we were to be an absolute bust.
And if anything, it wouldn't be 'AAC is calling up an FCS program? How desperate are they?'... but more like 'What do they see in JMU???'
They only care about the media. JMU has shown they can get positive media attention and bring fans and revenue- something many G5 schools cannot. Those are things the AAC would care about more than a label.
I'm not saying we are going AAC. Just saying that they are not really in a position where they have a super strong reputation and that taking an FCS would ruin all of that. It's already ruined.

(10-08-2021 09:04 AM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  ^ i seriously doubt that... people like good competition. Id posit that its just ignorance..they worry we are small time because they dont know us

(10-08-2021 09:43 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 09:04 AM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  ^ i seriously doubt that... people like good competition. Id posit that its just ignorance..they worry we are small time because they dont know us

Yeah. People said it would be impossible for an FCS school to get College Gameday, yet that has happened many times now. All it took was one.
The issue is that no FCS school has ever done it, so others say it cannot be done. Many of those schools have experienced it first hand, so they refuse to even consider that another school could do something their school couldn't.
If the shoe was on the other foot, I would be saying the same exact thing. And they would be saying what we are saying.
I don't think it's likely that we will make it into the AAC, but it certainly isn't impossible. We know that they have had discussions in the past. If we weren't even remotely on their radar would they have even given us the time of day? And that was at a time when they were at full strength.

(10-08-2021 09:52 AM)CarRamrod Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 09:43 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 09:04 AM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  ^ i seriously doubt that... people like good competition. Id posit that its just ignorance..they worry we are small time because they dont know us

Yeah. People said it would be impossible for an FCS school to get College Gameday, yet that has happened many times now. All it took was one.
The issue is that no FCS school has ever done it, so others say it cannot be done. Many of those schools have experienced it first hand, so they refuse to even consider that another school could do something their school couldn't.
If the shoe was on the other foot, I would be saying the same exact thing. And they would be saying what we are saying.
I don't think it's likely that we will make it into the AAC, but it certainly isn't impossible. We know that they have had discussions in the past. If we weren't even remotely on their radar would they have even given us the time of day? And that was at a time when they were at full strength.

Yes, FCS to AAC with Houston, UCF, Cincinnati still around would probably be DOA. AAC that just got turned down by Colorado State and Air Force, JMU is at least in play now. There are no obvious adds that drastically move the needle on media deals, the difference between UNCC and App State in terms of eyes on games is a wash or App gets more. Is there a difference in the number of eyes on Houston and App, YES, UH would have significantly more interest! The difference between UNCC and JMU is probably similar. It has opened the door for Aresco to make a riskier play because there are no obvious choices at this point in terms of immediate media revenue.

Plus, if ESPN likes JMU, does it matter what Marshall fans think? Most folks on SB, CUSA, and AAC boards have zero clue on what JMUs budget is and what the athletic facilities are. They just know we have won some Natty's and hosted Gameday x2.

(10-08-2021 08:49 AM)JMaddy Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 08:42 AM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 05:35 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  It’s a complete non issue- more about budgets program strength fan support and facilities. The Universities and their leadership don’t care nor does the football fan. They all know who JMU is and what we are all about (winning).

What makes you so sure it's a non-issue? Obviously we all hope that's the way they look at it but I'd think it's much more likely that being FCS is the biggest hurdle keeping us from an AAC invite. I think herdfan is at least partially right that the AAC wouldn't like the optics of adding an FCS team for their reputation, I hope he isn't completely right that there's zero chance because of it but I'd be more surprised if he's wrong than if he's right.

If being FCS is a non-issue then what's holding us back from being one of the most common names tossed around as a top target and making us just a rare mention as a longshot?

Also definitely not the case that football fans don't care. This message board is full of FCS fans and fans of teams that had a lot of FCS success not so far in the past but in general the typical football fan might or might not even realize FCS is D1 and know who JMU is.

Exactly right. An average fan of Ohio State, Clemson, Alabama, Oregon or Texas knows JMU about as much as our average fan knew about Dixie State before they moved up. If we get called up to an FBS conference it might be the first time some of them have heard of us.