(08-27-2021 03:25 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(08-27-2021 02:45 PM)olddawg Wrote:  

(08-27-2021 01:44 PM)Dukester Wrote:  I heard today the big 12 was looking at BYU.

I honestly have no idea if BYU is looking. Personally, I think any addition that does not include them is just plain foolish. No one really comes close to the bang for buck you would get with them. They have an upside too due to their deep coffers, but come ready made w/ TV, fanbase, facilities etc.

I'm always amused at religious arguments involving conference affiliation. It's mostly PR, cover your ass crap. It's a damn greedy world these days. Lotta shady schools and dealings out there. It's business, not religion. Get BYU onboard and tell them not to publicly flaunt the religious stuff while competing in sports. If I want to survive as the Big12, I'm going after BYU, Boise, Cinn and UCF. Leaves UCF on an island but I think they expected that anyway. And gets Big12 into the FL. market.

It is business, but some businesses ARE religion. I think schools where religion is strict and impacts what a student can or cannot do is where conferences get concerned.
Liberty has some really strict policies and right now no conference wants to touch them. Do you not understand why? Case in point: we've had discussions here about not wanting to be affiliated with Liberty in any way (I really cannot think of any conversations where someone has said they wanted to be in the same conference as Liberty). Perhaps some feel the same about BYU.
As for your BYU comment: do you really think BYU would be okay with that? Imagine telling Liberty the same thing. They are not going to be okay with that. Their business is based on religious practices.
The world IS greedy, and also don't want to make decisions to cost them time and money. Some of the decisions these schools make can be pretty controversial. Is it worth the risk to these conferences? Does the school offer more than the risk? In many of these cases, the answer is no.

(08-27-2021 03:11 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  I'm a little too young to remember but was there controversy surrounding the catholic/jesuit schools (basically the current Big East) during the rounds of realignment in the 80s and 90s? I know all of those schools are basically religious in name on only at this point but I've never heard Georgetown or Villanova's status being any sort of detriment to them.

(08-27-2021 03:25 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  It is business, but some businesses ARE religion. I think schools where religion is strict and impacts what a student can or cannot do is where conferences get concerned.
Liberty has some really strict policies and right now no conference wants to touch them. Do you not understand why? Case in point: we've had discussions here about not wanting to be affiliated with Liberty in any way (I really cannot think of any conversations where someone has said they wanted to be in the same conference as Liberty). Perhaps some feel the same about BYU.
As for your BYU comment: do you really think BYU would be okay with that? Imagine telling Liberty the same thing. They are not going to be okay with that. Their business is based on religious practices.
The world IS greedy, and also don't want to make decisions to cost them time and money. Some of the decisions these schools make can be pretty controversial. Is it worth the risk to these conferences? Does the school offer more than the risk? In many of these cases, the answer is no.

(09-02-2021 12:58 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  So the AAC would be down to 8 in that scenario.

Honestly, I'm not sure why the Big 12 doesn't just go for the kill shot and take Memphis/USF as well.

(09-02-2021 01:10 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  Interesting that they don’t want SMU for Dallas, old oil money, nostalgic Southwest conference rivalries.

(09-02-2021 01:21 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(09-02-2021 01:10 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  Interesting that they don’t want SMU for Dallas, old oil money, nostalgic Southwest conference rivalries.

Private though right- I think the only private school
In the Big 12 today is Baylor.

(09-02-2021 01:09 PM)JMU Wrote:  

(09-02-2021 12:58 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  So the AAC would be down to 8 in that scenario.

Honestly, I'm not sure why the Big 12 doesn't just go for the kill shot and take Memphis/USF as well.

Agree -

UCF and USF - travel partners
Memphis and Cincinnati - Same

This move could force CUSA and Sunbelt into reorganizing, swapping teams and maybe add a few (JMU) to become better aligned geographically.

(09-02-2021 01:33 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(09-02-2021 01:09 PM)JMU Wrote:  

(09-02-2021 12:58 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  So the AAC would be down to 8 in that scenario.

Honestly, I'm not sure why the Big 12 doesn't just go for the kill shot and take Memphis/USF as well.

Agree -

UCF and USF - travel partners
Memphis and Cincinnati - Same

This move could force CUSA and Sunbelt into reorganizing, swapping teams and maybe add a few (JMU) to become better aligned geographically.

Would think Memphis would have to be next in line if for some reason Byu prefers independence. Memphis to me would be the only AAC school left that has a Power 5 feel to it in terms of market support facilities team success etc. That would be ideal for JMUs interests as well. The AAC minus their 4 biggest and best football schools would be at 7.

My guess is a diminished AAC would make even less sense for the Mw schools so the AAC would end up with one additional Florida school (Fiu or Fau) one additional Texas school (Rice Utep or North Texas), maybe UAB , and then the next 1-2 schools would be kind of up in the air. Maybe Georgia State for a presence in Atlanta if they think they are up to the task on the field?

Regardless, this would be good for JMU- JMU could fill one of those last Aac spots or for sure backfill in a more regionalized CUSA.

(09-02-2021 01:56 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(09-02-2021 01:33 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(09-02-2021 01:09 PM)JMU Wrote:  

(09-02-2021 12:58 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  So the AAC would be down to 8 in that scenario.

Honestly, I'm not sure why the Big 12 doesn't just go for the kill shot and take Memphis/USF as well.

Agree -

UCF and USF - travel partners
Memphis and Cincinnati - Same

This move could force CUSA and Sunbelt into reorganizing, swapping teams and maybe add a few (JMU) to become better aligned geographically.

Would think Memphis would have to be next in line if for some reason Byu prefers independence. Memphis to me would be the only AAC school left that has a Power 5 feel to it in terms of market support facilities team success etc. That would be ideal for JMUs interests as well. The AAC minus their 4 biggest and best football schools would be at 7.

My guess is a diminished AAC would make even less sense for the Mw schools so the AAC would end up with one additional Florida school (Fiu or Fau) one additional Texas school (Rice Utep or North Texas), maybe UAB , and then the next 1-2 schools would be kind of up in the air. Maybe Georgia State for a presence in Atlanta if they think they are up to the task on the field?

Regardless, this would be good for JMU- JMU could fill one of those last Aac spots or for sure backfill in a more regionalized CUSA.

The AAC would have to take an attitude adjustment ?.

I get what the AAC tried with the P6 marketing but the top 4 to the big12 puts them in the middle of G5 land.