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How the Big XII and AAC would eventually merge - Erictelevision - 10-08-2020 05:09 PM
I know I'm wasting my time saying this but: PLEASE don't fight the hypothetical! Anyway, here's the scenario:
1) B1G invite KU and UVa. Are told,"We need to bring along our 'little brother'." Big 10 agrees
2) PAC XII Invites OU and UT, are ALSO told "little bro comes along". PAC is like,"Cool with us, PAC-16!"
3) POTUS instructs SECDEF that AFA and Navy must go Indy
As a result:
1) What's left of the BIG XII joins the AAC
2) MWC stands pat
What, if anything, does the ACC do?
RE: How the Big XII and AAC would eventually merge - IWokeUpLikeThis - 10-08-2020 05:30 PM
Anyone see Van Halen live?
What’s the best Van Halen concert of all-time? Tokyo Dome in ‘89?
RE: How the Big XII and AAC would eventually merge - EdwordL - 10-08-2020 05:32 PM
(10-08-2020 05:09 PM)Erictelevision Wrote: I know I'm wasting my time saying this but: PLEASE don't fight the hypothetical! Anyway, here's the scenario:
1) B1G invite KU and UVa. Are told,"We need to bring along our 'little brother'." Big 10 agrees
2) PAC XII Invites OU and UT, are ALSO told "little bro comes along". PAC is like,"Cool with us, PAC-16!"
3) POTUS instructs SECDEF that AFA and Navy must go Indy
As a result:
1) What's left of the BIG XII joins the AAC
2) MWC stands pat
What, if anything, does the ACC do?
IF B1G invites KU, it would NOT take KSU. KU would receive an invitation only with someone like UT or OU.
RE: How the Big XII and AAC would eventually merge - ChrisLords - 10-08-2020 05:32 PM
Ok, so....
B1G
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East
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Indiana
Maryland
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Penn State
Rutgers
Virginia
Virginia Tech
West
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Illinois
Iowa
Kansas
Kansas State
Minnesota
Nebraska
Northwestern
Purdue
Wisconsin
SEC
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East
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Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
Missouri
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
West
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Alabama
Arkansas
Auburn
LSU
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Texas A&M
Pac 16
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North
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California
Oregon
Oregon state
Southern California
Stanford
UCLA
Washington
Washington State
South
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Arizona
Arizona State
Colorado
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas Tech
Utah
AAC
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East
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Central Florida
Cincinnati
Connecticut (Or whoever will replace UConn)
Iowa State
East Carolina
South Florida
Temple
West Virginia
West
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Baylor
Houston
Memphis
Navy - football only
SMU
Texas Christian
Tulane
Tulsa
ACC
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North
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Coastal
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Duke
Georgia Tech
Miami
Pittsburgh
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Atlantic
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Boston College
Clemson
Florida State
Louisville
Syracuse
Wake Forest
Ok, under this scenario the ACC does nothing. They are at a very manageable 12 schools and only lost 1 state.
They could add WVU and Cincy and add 2 more states, and if that's what ESPN says is necessary to maximize TV money, then they will probably go that way.
RE: How the Big XII and AAC would eventually merge - Erictelevision - 10-08-2020 05:46 PM
Thanks Chris! A couple points:
1) In this scenario Navy goes COMPLETELY Indy
2) I'd split the PAC-16 E/W
3) I thought UCONN had finalized plans to leave the AAC
I JUST NOTICED you split the PAC that way, just used different division names.
RE: How the Big XII and AAC would eventually merge - Fighting Muskie - 10-08-2020 05:57 PM
I don’t want to blast this but the opening move isn’t going to happen. Kansas and UVA aren’t big enough to move the needle for the Big are and certainly aren’t going to be able to demand in-state non-AAU tag-a-longs.
This not occurring pretty much ensures that none of those other dominoes fall.
Oklahoma and/or Texas will be the catalysts that trigger the next realignment.
RE: How the Big XII and AAC would eventually merge - quo vadis - 10-08-2020 06:01 PM
(10-08-2020 05:09 PM)Erictelevision Wrote: I know I'm wasting my time saying this but: PLEASE don't fight the hypothetical! Anyway, here's the scenario:
1) B1G invite KU and UVa. Are told,"We need to bring along our 'little brother'." Big 10 agree....
I stopped here. Why would the B1G share all that loot with four schools that add no value?
RE: How the Big XII and AAC would eventually merge - quo vadis - 10-08-2020 06:05 PM
(10-08-2020 05:30 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote: Anyone see Van Halen live?
What’s the best Van Halen concert of all-time? Tokyo Dome in ‘89?
I saw Van Halen 7 times between1981 - 2015.
The Live at Tokyo Dome CD is awesome. Has to be fronted by DLR.
RIP EVH, the GOAT.
RE: How the Big XII and AAC would eventually merge - Erictelevision - 10-08-2020 06:07 PM
Why don't a hoops blue blood and the reigning champ add value?
RE: How the Big XII and AAC would eventually merge - Fighting Muskie - 10-08-2020 06:09 PM
(10-08-2020 06:07 PM)Erictelevision Wrote: Why don't a hoops blue blood and the reigning champ add value?
Football accounts for 80% of the tv contact’s value. Being great at basketball doesn’t have nearly the same financial impact as a strong football program
RE: How the Big XII and AAC would eventually merge - quo vadis - 10-08-2020 06:10 PM
(10-08-2020 06:07 PM)Erictelevision Wrote: Why don't a hoops blue blood and the reigning champ add value?
Because hoops is a small part of value.
RE: How the Big XII and AAC would eventually merge - Erictelevision - 10-08-2020 06:26 PM
Muskie: I didn't realize the share was THAT outta whack!
RE: How the Big XII and AAC would eventually merge - CliftonAve - 10-08-2020 06:40 PM
(10-08-2020 06:10 PM)quo vadis Wrote:(10-08-2020 06:07 PM)Erictelevision Wrote: Why don't a hoops blue blood and the reigning champ add value?
Because hoops is a small part of value.
I am with Quo on this. People bring KU and other football lightweights to the B10– it isn’t happening. The B10 already has enough football weak sisters in Rutgers, Indiana, Northwestern, Purdue, etc. Ohio State, PSU, Michigan and Wisconsin aren’t adding more schools that struggle to win 4 games a year.
RE: How the Big XII and AAC would eventually merge - Fighting Muskie - 10-08-2020 06:50 PM
(10-08-2020 06:40 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:(10-08-2020 06:10 PM)quo vadis Wrote:(10-08-2020 06:07 PM)Erictelevision Wrote: Why don't a hoops blue blood and the reigning champ add value?
Because hoops is a small part of value.
I am with Quo on this. People bring KU and other football lightweights to the B10– it isn’t happening. The B10 already has enough football weak sisters in Rutgers, Indiana, Northwestern, Purdue, etc. Ohio State, PSU, Michigan and Wisconsin aren’t adding more schools that struggle to win 4 games a year.
The Big Ten could stomach Kansas but only if they were paired with a real football blueblood like Oklahoma.
Here’s an interesting thought—if the Big Ten were to add Oklahoma and Missouri who would be the SEC’s 14th? If Texas said they’d come but only if they could pick 2 companions would the SEC take that deal?
RE: How the Big XII and AAC would eventually merge - goofus - 10-08-2020 07:49 PM
Hmmm...
If ACC loses Va, VT and the Big 12 is down to WV, ISU, TCU, and Baylor....
I could see the ACC taking the Big 12 leftovers.
WV makes geographic sense and has history with old Big East schools
ISU has a good academic rep and great fan base
TCU and Baylor bring the state of Texas.
And finishing off the Big 12 means the P5 now has been reduced to the P4.
RE: How the Big XII and AAC would eventually merge - Pervis_Griffith - 10-08-2020 08:59 PM
(10-08-2020 06:26 PM)Erictelevision Wrote: Muskie: I didn't realize the share was THAT outta whack!
The only way this changes is if the P5, Big East, and a couple other conferences tell the NCAA "you know what? We're gonna run our own basketball tourney from now on. Thanks" ...
Then the billions of dollars that the NCAA gets from this tourney will suddenly go to those few "big" conferences, and suddenly make the basketball programs more relevant (although not overtaking the football side of things).
This kind of scenario could actually come to pass, especially as athletic departments try to find new sources of revenue in the aftermath of COVID and 2020.
RE: How the Big XII and AAC would eventually merge - Erictelevision - 10-08-2020 09:02 PM
Goofus: would the ACC want the American schools nearby?
RE: How the Big XII and AAC would eventually merge - Big Frog II - 10-08-2020 09:30 PM
No
RE: How the Big XII and AAC would eventually merge - DFW HOYA - 10-08-2020 09:47 PM
(10-08-2020 08:34 PM)Mr Hyde Wrote: Kansas would have been homeless if the Big 12 had failed a few years ago. The other major conferences weren’t looking to improve their Olympic sports. Not much has changed since then.
The pre-2013 Big East was working on a plan to bring in Kansas and three other Big 12 schools if they had gone under.
RE: How the Big XII and AAC would eventually merge - jedclampett - 10-08-2020 10:17 PM
(10-08-2020 05:09 PM)Erictelevision Wrote: ...What's left of the BIG XII joins the AAC
The main problem with this scenario - - even if half of the Big 12 schools were to switch conferences - - is that it wouldn't make sense for the remaining teams to move to a non-P5 conference.
It would probably be much more likely that they would add enough non-P5 full-member schools to expand membership to a total of 12, thus making the "Big-12" a a 12-team conference.
The most likely candidates, if travel distance were a major consideration, might be BYU, Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati (regional rivals for WV and Iowa State), and SMU. All five have reasonably good FB and BB programs.
Because the Big 8 and Big 12 have always maintained a strong (Mississippi River to Rocky Mountains) regional identity, with the single exception of WV, schools such as SDSU and UCF might be less likely to be invited into the Big 12.
In that case, schools in or near the Big-12's regional footprint, such as Colorado State and Tulane might be invited. Utah State is strong enough in FB and BB to merit an invitation, and would provide BYU with a nearby rival. Rice would be given consideration, due to their location, AAU status and long history in the SWC.
The most likely new Big-12 members:
BYU
Houston
Memphis
Cincinnati
The next most likely new Big-12 members:
SMU
Colorado State
Utah State
Tulane
Other possible, but somewhat less likely Big-12 members, due to higher travel costs or less competitive teams:
UCF
SDSU
Rice