(10-04-2020 08:27 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(10-03-2020 10:20 PM)kevinwmsn Wrote:  FIU and FAU aren't going back to the Sunbelt... Those two schools are out on an island in Sunbelt and CUSA.

I can’t but think schools like the F*Us and other SBC pickups (UNT?) are in mind with the split. It becomes clearer that in the ensuing chaos of those years back when CUSA got sacked by the Big East/AAC and the MWC merger, there may be regrets now.

Like, I don’t find it surprising this talk emerges from both CUSA and CAA. Keeping in mind where CUSA and SBC picked up some membership, but, also remembering who advocated/sponsored the likes of Charlotte and ODU. This wasn’t the CUSA they thought they were getting. IIRC, Charlotte leaned on Tulane and ODU had ECU behind them?

Could also be that there’s word the AAC will backfill UConn, and it comes at CUSA’s expense, and what that means for CUSA and how those eastern schools feel?

(10-04-2020 11:51 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(10-04-2020 08:27 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(10-03-2020 10:20 PM)kevinwmsn Wrote:  FIU and FAU aren't going back to the Sunbelt... Those two schools are out on an island in Sunbelt and CUSA.

I can’t but think schools like the F*Us and other SBC pickups (UNT?) are in mind with the split. It becomes clearer that in the ensuing chaos of those years back when CUSA got sacked by the Big East/AAC and the MWC merger, there may be regrets now.

Like, I don’t find it surprising this talk emerges from both CUSA and CAA. Keeping in mind where CUSA and SBC picked up some membership, but, also remembering who advocated/sponsored the likes of Charlotte and ODU. This wasn’t the CUSA they thought they were getting. IIRC, Charlotte leaned on Tulane and ODU had ECU behind them?

Could also be that there’s word the AAC will backfill UConn, and it comes at CUSA’s expense, and what that means for CUSA and how those eastern schools feel?

AAC adding a C-USA program is an interesting point. Doubt that is either Marshall or ODU, who seem our unhappiest members. Could it be UAB? I have always thought losing the Blazers could be a fatal blow for C-USA. That would leave C-USA with the choice of muddling along with 13 members, replacing UAB in the West from a limited list of schools who might accept (Texas State? New Mexico State?), or taking an FCS call-up. These are not very appealing options.

(10-04-2020 12:57 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  It does make sense for CUSA to split, but it does not makes sense for SB.

Florida Atlantic Owls
Western Kentucky Hilltoppers
Marshall Thundering Herd
Old Dominion Monarchs
Florida International Panthers
Charlotte 49ers
UAB Blazers
Middle Tennessee Blue Raiders

WEST
Louisiana Tech Bulldogs
UTSA Roadrunners
Southern Mississippi Golden Eagles
UTEP Miners
Rice Owls
North Texas Mean Green
Add NMSU Don't know if any FCS would be worth upgrading to D1.

(10-04-2020 12:57 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  It does make sense for CUSA to split, but it does not makes sense for SB.

Florida Atlantic Owls
Western Kentucky Hilltoppers
Marshall Thundering Herd
Old Dominion Monarchs
Florida International Panthers
Charlotte 49ers
UAB Blazers
Middle Tennessee Blue Raiders

WEST
Louisiana Tech Bulldogs
UTSA Roadrunners
Southern Mississippi Golden Eagles
UTEP Miners
Rice Owls
North Texas Mean Green
Add NMSU Don't know if any FCS would be worth upgrading to D1.

(10-03-2020 08:50 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  Could the CAA potentially host a breakaway FBS contingent?

West - Georgia State, Georgia Southern, Western Kentucky, Middle Tennessee, Appalachian State
East - Delaware, James Madison, Marshall, Old Dominion, Charlotte

C-USA then invites Texas State:
West - UTEP, Texas State, UTSA, North Texas, Rice
East - Louisiana Tech, Southern Mississippi, UAB, FAU, FIU

That then leaves the Sun Belt with the following:
Louisiana, Louisiana-Monroe, Arkansas State, South Alabama, Troy, Coastal Carolina, Texas-Arlington (non-football), Little Rock (non-football)

That would then leave the following schools in search of new homes: Towson, Northeastern, Hofstra, Drexel, William & Mary, Elon, UNC-Wilmington, College of Charleston

Texas-Arlington and Little Rock join C-USA for all sports but football, while FAU and FIU transition to football only and park their other sports in the Atlantic Sun. The Sun Belt takes in UMass and UConn for short-term football deals while Kennesaw State and Missouri State transition to FBS; and then Elon, UNC-Wilmington, College of Charleston, and William & Mary as non-football members. Drexel and Towson join America East, which takes over FCS football from the CAA. Hofstra and Northeastern join the Northeast Conference.

(10-03-2020 08:50 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  Could the CAA potentially host a breakaway FBS contingent?

West - Georgia State, Georgia Southern, Western Kentucky, Middle Tennessee, Appalachian State
East - Delaware, James Madison, Marshall, Old Dominion, Charlotte

C-USA then invites Texas State:
West - UTEP, Texas State, UTSA, North Texas, Rice
East - Louisiana Tech, Southern Mississippi, UAB, FAU, FIU

That then leaves the Sun Belt with the following:
Louisiana, Louisiana-Monroe, Arkansas State, South Alabama, Troy, Coastal Carolina, Texas-Arlington (non-football), Little Rock (non-football)

That would then leave the following schools in search of new homes: Towson, Northeastern, Hofstra, Drexel, William & Mary, Elon, UNC-Wilmington, College of Charleston

Texas-Arlington and Little Rock join C-USA for all sports but football, while FAU and FIU transition to football only and park their other sports in the Atlantic Sun. The Sun Belt takes in UMass and UConn for short-term football deals while Kennesaw State and Missouri State transition to FBS; and then Elon, UNC-Wilmington, College of Charleston, and William & Mary as non-football members. Drexel and Towson join America East, which takes over FCS football from the CAA. Hofstra and Northeastern join the Northeast Conference.

(10-04-2020 09:19 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(10-03-2020 08:50 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  Could the CAA potentially host a breakaway FBS contingent?

West - Georgia State, Georgia Southern, Western Kentucky, Middle Tennessee, Appalachian State
East - Delaware, James Madison, Marshall, Old Dominion, Charlotte

C-USA then invites Texas State:
West - UTEP, Texas State, UTSA, North Texas, Rice
East - Louisiana Tech, Southern Mississippi, UAB, FAU, FIU

That then leaves the Sun Belt with the following:
Louisiana, Louisiana-Monroe, Arkansas State, South Alabama, Troy, Coastal Carolina, Texas-Arlington (non-football), Little Rock (non-football)

That would then leave the following schools in search of new homes: Towson, Northeastern, Hofstra, Drexel, William & Mary, Elon, UNC-Wilmington, College of Charleston

Texas-Arlington and Little Rock join C-USA for all sports but football, while FAU and FIU transition to football only and park their other sports in the Atlantic Sun. The Sun Belt takes in UMass and UConn for short-term football deals while Kennesaw State and Missouri State transition to FBS; and then Elon, UNC-Wilmington, College of Charleston, and William & Mary as non-football members. Drexel and Towson join America East, which takes over FCS football from the CAA. Hofstra and Northeastern join the Northeast Conference.

I put this out there a few months ago, but could CAA use its CAA Football conference to create a second all-sports conference the way the ASUN wanted to with that swimming league to become the UAC?

The FCS/non-football members move to CAAF and rename it the CAA, then the shell of the original CAA (new name TBD) would invite CUSA and SB Eastern teams, and possibly Liberty. JMU and potentially Delaware would stay with the FBS schools.

(10-04-2020 10:11 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  Sun Belt: Hey NMSU, we need a full member and hear you need a football home...

NMSU: where do we sign?

(10-04-2020 10:45 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  

(10-04-2020 10:11 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  Sun Belt: Hey NMSU, we need a full member and hear you need a football home...

NMSU: where do we sign?

I would be surprised if NMSU got the votes, but if they did presumably at least one, and more likely three Southland schools are coming with them:

West - NMSU, SFA, Sam Houston, Lamar, Louisiana, UTA*
East - ULM, Arkansas State, USA, Troy, CCU, UALR*

The Southland would still have eight football schools, plus New Orleans and Texas A&M-Corpus Christi, although TAMUCC might think twice about staying given that the only in-state members would be Abilene Christian, Houston Baptist, and Incarnate Word. It could also go the other way and the Southland finishes the WAC off by inviting Tarleton State, West Texas A&M, and UTRGV. Dixie State joins the Big Sky, while Seattle, Cal Baptist, and Grand Canyon are left holding the bag.

(10-04-2020 09:06 PM)C00G Wrote:  I took the average final Sagarin ratings from the last 6 years for C-USA and the Sun Belt. The top 12 include 7 C-USA and 5 Sun Belt schools with No. 12 Louisiana Lafayette closer to No. 6 Georgia Southern than No. 13 Florida International.

New C-USA - Footprint tightens by getting rid of Texas, Virginia, and one F-U
West: Arkansas St, Louisiana Tech, Louisiana Lafayette, Southern Miss, UAB, Troy
East: Western Kentucky, Middle Tennessee, Marshall, Appalachian St, Georgia Southern, Florida Atlantic

6-year simple average of the New C-USA West ends up behind the 2019 AAC West, MWC Mountain, AAC East, and Sun Belt East.
6-year simple average of the New C-USA East ends up behind the 2019 AAC West and MWC Mountain.

The remaining 12 schools could band together as well.

New Sun Belt - Footprint adds a few outliers in UTEP, Old Dominion, and one F-U but divisions are relatively compact.
West: North Texas, Texas St, UTSA, UTEP, Rice, Louisiana Monroe
East: South Alabama, Old Dominion, Charlotte, Coastal Carolina, Georgia St, Florida International

6-year simple averages of BOTH divisions of the New Sun Belt end up between the 2019 MVC and CAA. If they dropped Charlotte, Texas St, and UTEP, they'd still be the lowest G5 but they'd at least be ahead of the 2019 MVC.

Just in case you're curious, here's the averages.
1 - Appalachian St - 73.38
2 - Louisiana Tech - 68.42
3 - Western Kentucky - 67.11
4 - Marshall - 66.13
5 - Arkansas St - 66.03
6 - Georgia Southern - 63.50
7 - UAB - 62.45
8 - Troy - 62.02
9 - Florida Atlantic - 61.20
10 - Southern Miss - 61.18
11 - Middle Tennessee - 60.66
12 - Louisiana Lafayette - 60.14

13 - Florida International - 56.38
14 - North Texas - 54.57
15 - Coastal Carolina - 54.40
16 - Louisiana Monroe - 53.49
17 - Old Dominion - 53.22
18 - UTSA - 53.00
19 - Georgia St - 52.00
20 - South Alabama - 51.69
21 - Rice - 51.13
22 - Charlotte - 47.19
23 - Texas St - 47.14
24 - UTEP - 48.88

(10-04-2020 11:22 PM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  

(10-04-2020 09:06 PM)C00G Wrote:  I took the average final Sagarin ratings from the last 6 years for C-USA and the Sun Belt. The top 12 include 7 C-USA and 5 Sun Belt schools with No. 12 Louisiana Lafayette closer to No. 6 Georgia Southern than No. 13 Florida International.

New C-USA - Footprint tightens by getting rid of Texas, Virginia, and one F-U
West: Arkansas St, Louisiana Tech, Louisiana Lafayette, Southern Miss, UAB, Troy
East: Western Kentucky, Middle Tennessee, Marshall, Appalachian St, Georgia Southern, Florida Atlantic

6-year simple average of the New C-USA West ends up behind the 2019 AAC West, MWC Mountain, AAC East, and Sun Belt East.
6-year simple average of the New C-USA East ends up behind the 2019 AAC West and MWC Mountain.

The remaining 12 schools could band together as well.

New Sun Belt - Footprint adds a few outliers in UTEP, Old Dominion, and one F-U but divisions are relatively compact.
West: North Texas, Texas St, UTSA, UTEP, Rice, Louisiana Monroe
East: South Alabama, Old Dominion, Charlotte, Coastal Carolina, Georgia St, Florida International

6-year simple averages of BOTH divisions of the New Sun Belt end up between the 2019 MVC and CAA. If they dropped Charlotte, Texas St, and UTEP, they'd still be the lowest G5 but they'd at least be ahead of the 2019 MVC.

Just in case you're curious, here's the averages.
1 - Appalachian St - 73.38
2 - Louisiana Tech - 68.42
3 - Western Kentucky - 67.11
4 - Marshall - 66.13
5 - Arkansas St - 66.03
6 - Georgia Southern - 63.50
7 - UAB - 62.45
8 - Troy - 62.02
9 - Florida Atlantic - 61.20
10 - Southern Miss - 61.18
11 - Middle Tennessee - 60.66
12 - Louisiana Lafayette - 60.14

13 - Florida International - 56.38
14 - North Texas - 54.57
15 - Coastal Carolina - 54.40
16 - Louisiana Monroe - 53.49
17 - Old Dominion - 53.22
18 - UTSA - 53.00
19 - Georgia St - 52.00
20 - South Alabama - 51.69
21 - Rice - 51.13
22 - Charlotte - 47.19
23 - Texas St - 47.14
24 - UTEP - 48.88

I actually really like this. I mentioned in another thread that getting a conference that pays out probably won’t be regionally aligned.

(10-04-2020 02:48 AM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  

(10-03-2020 06:31 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  I don’t think you understand the conference distribution system.

I have a pretty good understanding. Go run this chart for ANY year and tell me how a brand new league generates our revenue for Marshall.

http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org/reports/738faf85

(10-05-2020 08:47 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(10-04-2020 02:48 AM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  

(10-03-2020 06:31 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  I don’t think you understand the conference distribution system.

I have a pretty good understanding. Go run this chart for ANY year and tell me how a brand new league generates our revenue for Marshall.

http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org/reports/738faf85

http://cafidatabase.knightcommission.org/reports/b34b9f32

It doesn't, that's my point. CUSA/SBC difference is minimal.

Those revenues aren't conference specific though, look here. Why didn't you put the rest of CUSA teams on your chart....

The most likely difference is the media rights, those aren't conference specific.

(10-05-2020 09:52 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Not to toot the horn of my own theory but the ASUN commissioner basically issued a tutorial on how to spin off a new all sports conference using the shell of the CCSA—a swimming a beach volleyball conference, which technically makes it a multi-sport conference. A whole slew of C-USA and SBC schools sponsor 1-3 sports there. That could be how they do it and make it legal.