(09-09-2020 10:16 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(09-09-2020 10:10 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  ^ 'Tis a good time to be a Bearcat fan.

- Football has consistently been very good since 2000, especially starting in 2006. Coming off back-to-back 11 win seasons, they return 16/22 starters from last year plus get their best defensive player from 2018 who sat out due to an injury. Luke Fickell turns down Michigan State and several other P5 jobs and signs an extension that pays him $3.4M a year. The assistant pool bumped to $3.85M. DC Marcus Freeman picked the #1 coordinator in CFB. He just signed a new two-year deal. Last year team had the #41 Recruiting Class in the Country (best outside the P5). Dennis Dodd and Desmond Howard has picked them to make the CFP this year.

- In addition to the historical accomplishments, the team has been to 9 straight NCAAT's. Won the regular season in the AAC last year. Have three key transfers coming in this year and John Brannen is recruiting at a higher level than Mick Cronin did. Basketball arena packed every night, top 30 in attendance in the country.

- Baseball team won the conference tournament in 2018 (last year's season shot due to the Rona).

- Women's hoops, historically a joke, is trending upwards with two 22+ win seasons and a WNIT bid (would have been in last year but Rona).

- Women's Volleyball made the Sweet 16, led by Olympian Jordan Thompson.

- 16/17 of the teams in the athletic department have posted a 3.0 or better for 23 consecutive grading periods. After the Spring of 2019 the department recorded an all-time collective GPA high of 3.372.

I agree...huge strides. Started in CUSA with the initial improvements of the stadium. Cincy, Memphis and Houston all bring in the kicker of basketball cachet.

Cuse played at Cincy in the mid 90s and all I remember was seeing that industrial or steam plant in the background. It looked hideous. Cincy is probably my favorite CUSA stadium. The Liberty Bowl is historic and cool too. Navy probably next

(09-09-2020 10:10 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  ^ 'Tis a good time to be a Bearcat fan.

- Football has consistently been very good since 2000, especially starting in 2006. Coming off back-to-back 11 win seasons, they return 16/22 starters from last year plus get their best defensive player from 2018 who sat out due to an injury. Luke Fickell turns down Michigan State and several other P5 jobs and signs an extension that pays him $3.4M a year. The assistant pool bumped to $3.85M. DC Marcus Freeman picked the #1 coordinator in CFB. He just signed a new two-year deal. Last year team had the #41 Recruiting Class in the Country (best outside the P5). Dennis Dodd and Desmond Howard has picked them to make the CFP this year.

- In addition to the historical accomplishments, the team has been to 9 straight NCAAT's. Won the regular season in the AAC last year. Have three key transfers coming in this year and John Brannen is recruiting at a higher level than Mick Cronin did. Basketball arena packed every night, top 30 in attendance in the country.

- Baseball team won the conference tournament in 2018 (last year's season shot due to the Rona). UC crushed UConn in the CCG 22-0.

- Women's hoops, historically a joke, is trending upwards with two 22+ win seasons and a WNIT bid (would have been in last year but Rona).

- Women's Volleyball made the Sweet 16, led by Olympian Jordan Thompson.

- 16/17 of the teams in the athletic department have posted a 3.0 or better for 23 consecutive grading periods. After the Spring of 2019 the department recorded an all-time collective GPA high of 3.372.

(09-09-2020 12:13 PM)Keswick_Crusaders_Forever51 Wrote:  Here's the deal:

Being considered a Power conference has to do with the power in your conference, current & historic.

When people mention the Big 10, you think of Ohio State, Penn State, & Michigan's football teams, & Michigan State, OSU, & Indiana's runs in basketball.

When you think of the ACC, you think of Florida State, Clemson, & Miami's runs as football powers, & UNC & Duke's historic success in basketball.

When you think of the Big 12, you think of Texas & Oklahoma's football teams, & Kansas & Texas' basketball teams.

The SEC: Bama, LSU, Florida, Georgia, & Auburn's football teams, & Kentucky & Florida's basketball teams.

The PAC-12: USC & Oregon in football, & UCLA & Arizona in basketball.

But who in the AAC is viewed or has been viewed as a power in the major sports?

You had UConn with their four national titles for basketball, but outside of a couple hot seasons in the last few years by individual teams like UCF & Houston, who has done enough to be considered a power in one of the major sports?

I would argue no one, though there certainly are teams that might could fit into a power conference as a mid- to lower-tier team.

I look forward to seeing which AAC team will show up hot each year in football & basketball, but honestly, none are powers in those sports, & so the conference can never be heralded as a power conference until there is at minimum of one or two in each major sport that can be, or have been considered, a power.

(09-05-2020 12:32 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  On College Gameday today Desmond Howard listed Cincinnati as a darkhorse for the college football playoff. How dare he do that and how dare a Cincinnati fan post this.

-This board, probably

(09-09-2020 12:13 PM)Keswick_Crusaders_Forever51 Wrote:  Here's the deal:

Being considered a Power conference has to do with the power in your conference, current & historic.

When people mention the Big 10, you think of Ohio State, Penn State, & Michigan's football teams, & Michigan State, OSU, & Indiana's runs in basketball.

When you think of the ACC, you think of Florida State, Clemson, & Miami's runs as football powers, & UNC & Duke's historic success in basketball.

When you think of the Big 12, you think of Texas & Oklahoma's football teams, & Kansas & Texas' basketball teams.

The SEC: Bama, LSU, Florida, Georgia, & Auburn's football teams, & Kentucky & Florida's basketball teams.

The PAC-12: USC & Oregon in football, & UCLA & Arizona in basketball.

But who in the AAC is viewed or has been viewed as a power in the major sports?

You had UConn with their four national titles for basketball, but outside of a couple hot seasons in the last few years by individual teams like UCF & Houston, who has done enough to be considered a power in one of the major sports?

I would argue no one, though there certainly are teams that might could fit into a power conference as a mid- to lower-tier team.

I look forward to seeing which AAC team will show up hot each year in football & basketball, but honestly, none are powers in those sports, & so the conference can never be heralded as a power conference until there is at minimum of one or two in each major sport that can be, or have been considered, a power.

(09-09-2020 01:27 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(09-09-2020 12:13 PM)Keswick_Crusaders_Forever51 Wrote:  Here's the deal:

Being considered a Power conference has to do with the power in your conference, current & historic.

When people mention the Big 10, you think of Ohio State, Penn State, & Michigan's football teams, & Michigan State, OSU, & Indiana's runs in basketball.

When you think of the ACC, you think of Florida State, Clemson, & Miami's runs as football powers, & UNC & Duke's historic success in basketball.

When you think of the Big 12, you think of Texas & Oklahoma's football teams, & Kansas & Texas' basketball teams.

The SEC: Bama, LSU, Florida, Georgia, & Auburn's football teams, & Kentucky & Florida's basketball teams.

The PAC-12: USC & Oregon in football, & UCLA & Arizona in basketball.

But who in the AAC is viewed or has been viewed as a power in the major sports?

You had UConn with their four national titles for basketball, but outside of a couple hot seasons in the last few years by individual teams like UCF & Houston, who has done enough to be considered a power in one of the major sports?

I would argue no one, though there certainly are teams that might could fit into a power conference as a mid- to lower-tier team.

I look forward to seeing which AAC team will show up hot each year in football & basketball, but honestly, none are powers in those sports, & so the conference can never be heralded as a power conference until there is at minimum of one or two in each major sport that can be, or have been considered, a power.

Agreed. The Top AAC schools are just one bad hire away from being a forgotten lowly G5 school.

(09-09-2020 04:08 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(09-09-2020 12:13 PM)Keswick_Crusaders_Forever51 Wrote:  Here's the deal:

Being considered a Power conference has to do with the power in your conference, current & historic.

When people mention the Big 10, you think of Ohio State, Penn State, & Michigan's football teams, & Michigan State, OSU, & Indiana's runs in basketball.

When you think of the ACC, you think of Florida State, Clemson, & Miami's runs as football powers, & UNC & Duke's historic success in basketball.

When you think of the Big 12, you think of Texas & Oklahoma's football teams, & Kansas & Texas' basketball teams.

The SEC: Bama, LSU, Florida, Georgia, & Auburn's football teams, & Kentucky & Florida's basketball teams.

The PAC-12: USC & Oregon in football, & UCLA & Arizona in basketball.

But who in the AAC is viewed or has been viewed as a power in the major sports?

You had UConn with their four national titles for basketball, but outside of a couple hot seasons in the last few years by individual teams like UCF & Houston, who has done enough to be considered a power in one of the major sports?

I would argue no one, though there certainly are teams that might could fit into a power conference as a mid- to lower-tier team.

I look forward to seeing which AAC team will show up hot each year in football & basketball, but honestly, none are powers in those sports, & so the conference can never be heralded as a power conference until there is at minimum of one or two in each major sport that can be, or have been considered, a power.

In football, I agree. No one of the AAC is even close to the equal of Oregon or Tennessee.

But in basketball? There's 3 truly elite programs that sit just outside the top-6 all time (Kentucky, Kansas, Indiana, UCLA, UNC, Duke). In recent years they've performed similarly to the top PAC teams, and better overall than any SEC program outside Kentucky.

Memphis is regularly top-10 in attendance, and has a recent Final-Four.

Wichita has been consistently ranked for the past 8 years, other than 2018-19. They've sold out every game since 2004 in a 10,000 seat arena, and have a recent Final-Four.

Cincinnati is a top-15 all time program by almost every measure, and has been consistently ranked for the past 9 years. They've had 3 1st team All-Americans in the 2000s, including the consensus Player of the Year in 2000.

(09-09-2020 02:32 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-05-2020 12:32 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  On College Gameday today Desmond Howard listed Cincinnati as a darkhorse for the college football playoff. How dare he do that and how dare a Cincinnati fan post this.

-This board, probably

That would be cool. We are used to beating Ohio schools in the first round.

(09-09-2020 05:49 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-09-2020 04:08 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(09-09-2020 12:13 PM)Keswick_Crusaders_Forever51 Wrote:  Here's the deal:

Being considered a Power conference has to do with the power in your conference, current & historic.

When people mention the Big 10, you think of Ohio State, Penn State, & Michigan's football teams, & Michigan State, OSU, & Indiana's runs in basketball.

When you think of the ACC, you think of Florida State, Clemson, & Miami's runs as football powers, & UNC & Duke's historic success in basketball.

When you think of the Big 12, you think of Texas & Oklahoma's football teams, & Kansas & Texas' basketball teams.

The SEC: Bama, LSU, Florida, Georgia, & Auburn's football teams, & Kentucky & Florida's basketball teams.

The PAC-12: USC & Oregon in football, & UCLA & Arizona in basketball.

But who in the AAC is viewed or has been viewed as a power in the major sports?

You had UConn with their four national titles for basketball, but outside of a couple hot seasons in the last few years by individual teams like UCF & Houston, who has done enough to be considered a power in one of the major sports?

I would argue no one, though there certainly are teams that might could fit into a power conference as a mid- to lower-tier team.

I look forward to seeing which AAC team will show up hot each year in football & basketball, but honestly, none are powers in those sports, & so the conference can never be heralded as a power conference until there is at minimum of one or two in each major sport that can be, or have been considered, a power.

In football, I agree. No one of the AAC is even close to the equal of Oregon or Tennessee.

But in basketball? There's 3 truly elite programs that sit just outside the top-6 all time (Kentucky, Kansas, Indiana, UCLA, UNC, Duke). In recent years they've performed similarly to the top PAC teams, and better overall than any SEC program outside Kentucky.

Memphis is regularly top-10 in attendance, and has a recent Final-Four.

Wichita has been consistently ranked for the past 8 years, other than 2018-19. They've sold out every game since 2004 in a 10,000 seat arena, and have a recent Final-Four.

Cincinnati is a top-15 all time program by almost every measure, and has been consistently ranked for the past 9 years. They've had 3 1st team All-Americans in the 2000s, including the consensus Player of the Year in 2000.

Why don't you give us some of those measures? Realistically, they don't seem to have done much since Big O left. 5 final 4s in a row was pretty impressive, so it gets them up on some lists, but they need more than just that.

(09-09-2020 05:49 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-09-2020 04:08 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(09-09-2020 12:13 PM)Keswick_Crusaders_Forever51 Wrote:  Here's the deal:

Being considered a Power conference has to do with the power in your conference, current & historic.

When people mention the Big 10, you think of Ohio State, Penn State, & Michigan's football teams, & Michigan State, OSU, & Indiana's runs in basketball.

When you think of the ACC, you think of Florida State, Clemson, & Miami's runs as football powers, & UNC & Duke's historic success in basketball.

When you think of the Big 12, you think of Texas & Oklahoma's football teams, & Kansas & Texas' basketball teams.

The SEC: Bama, LSU, Florida, Georgia, & Auburn's football teams, & Kentucky & Florida's basketball teams.

The PAC-12: USC & Oregon in football, & UCLA & Arizona in basketball.

But who in the AAC is viewed or has been viewed as a power in the major sports?

You had UConn with their four national titles for basketball, but outside of a couple hot seasons in the last few years by individual teams like UCF & Houston, who has done enough to be considered a power in one of the major sports?

I would argue no one, though there certainly are teams that might could fit into a power conference as a mid- to lower-tier team.

I look forward to seeing which AAC team will show up hot each year in football & basketball, but honestly, none are powers in those sports, & so the conference can never be heralded as a power conference until there is at minimum of one or two in each major sport that can be, or have been considered, a power.

In football, I agree. No one of the AAC is even close to the equal of Oregon or Tennessee.

But in basketball? There's 3 truly elite programs that sit just outside the top-6 all time (Kentucky, Kansas, Indiana, UCLA, UNC, Duke). In recent years they've performed similarly to the top PAC teams, and better overall than any SEC program outside Kentucky.

Memphis is regularly top-10 in attendance, and has a recent Final-Four.

Wichita has been consistently ranked for the past 8 years, other than 2018-19. They've sold out every game since 2004 in a 10,000 seat arena, and have a recent Final-Four.

Cincinnati is a top-15 all time program by almost every measure, and has been consistently ranked for the past 9 years. They've had 3 1st team All-Americans in the 2000s, including the consensus Player of the Year in 2000.

Why don't you give us some of those measures? Realistically, they don't seem to have done much since Big O left. 5 final 4s in a row was pretty impressive, so it gets them up on some lists, but they need more than just that.

(09-09-2020 04:29 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(09-09-2020 01:27 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(09-09-2020 12:13 PM)Keswick_Crusaders_Forever51 Wrote:  Here's the deal:

Being considered a Power conference has to do with the power in your conference, current & historic.

When people mention the Big 10, you think of Ohio State, Penn State, & Michigan's football teams, & Michigan State, OSU, & Indiana's runs in basketball.

When you think of the ACC, you think of Florida State, Clemson, & Miami's runs as football powers, & UNC & Duke's historic success in basketball.

When you think of the Big 12, you think of Texas & Oklahoma's football teams, & Kansas & Texas' basketball teams.

The SEC: Bama, LSU, Florida, Georgia, & Auburn's football teams, & Kentucky & Florida's basketball teams.

The PAC-12: USC & Oregon in football, & UCLA & Arizona in basketball.

But who in the AAC is viewed or has been viewed as a power in the major sports?

You had UConn with their four national titles for basketball, but outside of a couple hot seasons in the last few years by individual teams like UCF & Houston, who has done enough to be considered a power in one of the major sports?

I would argue no one, though there certainly are teams that might could fit into a power conference as a mid- to lower-tier team.

I look forward to seeing which AAC team will show up hot each year in football & basketball, but honestly, none are powers in those sports, & so the conference can never be heralded as a power conference until there is at minimum of one or two in each major sport that can be, or have been considered, a power.

Agreed. The Top AAC schools are just one bad hire away from being a forgotten lowly G5 school.

False. Schools like Cincinnati, Memphis and Wichita invest in hoops
Wnd have tremendous fan and corporate supportZ. If the teams make a bad hire, they have the resources to correct it- see Memphis with Josh Pastner and Tubby Smith. History has shown they may have a bad few years but they are never down for long.

(09-09-2020 08:15 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  ...quite frankly — and admittedly I'm biased because I root for the Bearcats — losing Cincinnati because of its one-two hoops/football punch and its very respectable academics (med school and strong endowment, for examples) would have been worse for the American than having lost UConn.

(09-09-2020 10:36 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(09-09-2020 04:29 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(09-09-2020 01:27 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(09-09-2020 12:13 PM)Keswick_Crusaders_Forever51 Wrote:  Here's the deal:

Being considered a Power conference has to do with the power in your conference, current & historic.

When people mention the Big 10, you think of Ohio State, Penn State, & Michigan's football teams, & Michigan State, OSU, & Indiana's runs in basketball.

When you think of the ACC, you think of Florida State, Clemson, & Miami's runs as football powers, & UNC & Duke's historic success in basketball.

When you think of the Big 12, you think of Texas & Oklahoma's football teams, & Kansas & Texas' basketball teams.

The SEC: Bama, LSU, Florida, Georgia, & Auburn's football teams, & Kentucky & Florida's basketball teams.

The PAC-12: USC & Oregon in football, & UCLA & Arizona in basketball.

But who in the AAC is viewed or has been viewed as a power in the major sports?

You had UConn with their four national titles for basketball, but outside of a couple hot seasons in the last few years by individual teams like UCF & Houston, who has done enough to be considered a power in one of the major sports?

I would argue no one, though there certainly are teams that might could fit into a power conference as a mid- to lower-tier team.

I look forward to seeing which AAC team will show up hot each year in football & basketball, but honestly, none are powers in those sports, & so the conference can never be heralded as a power conference until there is at minimum of one or two in each major sport that can be, or have been considered, a power.

Agreed. The Top AAC schools are just one bad hire away from being a forgotten lowly G5 school.

False. Schools like Cincinnati, Memphis and Wichita invest in hoops
Wnd have tremendous fan and corporate supportZ. If the teams make a bad hire, they have the resources to correct it- see Memphis with Josh Pastner and Tubby Smith. History has shown they may have a bad few years but they are never down for long.

Just like UCONN right? LOL

(09-10-2020 08:06 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(09-09-2020 08:15 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  ...quite frankly — and admittedly I'm biased because I root for the Bearcats — losing Cincinnati because of its one-two hoops/football punch and its very respectable academics (med school and strong endowment, for examples) would have been worse for the American than having lost UConn.

You're not biased in this statement. You're 100% correct.

Losing Cincy would have been 10 times worse for the conference than losing UConn.

UConn FB actually detracted from the conference since 2015, and the only reason why they became "elite" in MBB was because they repeatedly and wantonly violated the NCAA recruiting rules, until they got caught.

(09-10-2020 08:06 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(09-09-2020 08:15 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  ...quite frankly — and admittedly I'm biased because I root for the Bearcats — losing Cincinnati because of its one-two hoops/football punch and its very respectable academics (med school and strong endowment, for examples) would have been worse for the American than having lost UConn.

You're not biased in this statement. You're 100% correct.

Losing Cincy would have been 10 times worse for the conference than losing UConn.

(09-10-2020 08:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-10-2020 08:06 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(09-09-2020 08:15 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  ...quite frankly — and admittedly I'm biased because I root for the Bearcats — losing Cincinnati because of its one-two hoops/football punch and its very respectable academics (med school and strong endowment, for examples) would have been worse for the American than having lost UConn.

You're not biased in this statement. You're 100% correct.

Losing Cincy would have been 10 times worse for the conference than losing UConn.

Incorrect. UConn was, as of their time of departure, still the biggest overall brand in the AAC. Cincinnati was just not on their level as an overall brand.

(09-10-2020 08:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-10-2020 08:06 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(09-09-2020 08:15 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  ...quite frankly — and admittedly I'm biased because I root for the Bearcats — losing Cincinnati because of its one-two hoops/football punch and its very respectable academics (med school and strong endowment, for examples) would have been worse for the American than having lost UConn.

Losing Cincy would have been 10 times worse for the conference than losing UConn.

UConn was, as of their time of departure, still the biggest overall brand in the AAC. Cincinnati was just not on their level as an overall brand.

(09-10-2020 11:38 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(09-10-2020 08:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-10-2020 08:06 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(09-09-2020 08:15 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  ...quite frankly — and admittedly I'm biased because I root for the Bearcats — losing Cincinnati because of its one-two hoops/football punch and its very respectable academics (med school and strong endowment, for examples) would have been worse for the American than having lost UConn.

Losing Cincy would have been 10 times worse for the conference than losing UConn.

UConn was, as of their time of departure, still the biggest overall brand in the AAC. Cincinnati was just not on their level as an overall brand.

I wasn't referring to UConn's "brand."

Now that you've mentioned it though, their reputation was abysmal when they announced their departure, to such an extent that they even became a laughing stock on the conference message boards.

Why?

1) Because their FB program was the worst in the conference, even worse than ECU's.

2) Because their MBB program was found guilty of committing NCAA recruiting violations not only once, but over and over for the past two decades. All of UConn's championships during that era were due to cheating. The University was disgraced, and it was a disgrace to have UConn in the AAC.

But that wasn't the point. "Brand" is irrelevant to the conversation between Bill and I, which was about which school's departure would be more devastating to the conference.

UConn had a very poor FB team and a very mediocre basketball team the past few seasons. In contrast, Cincy has had a very good FB team in several AAC seasons, and has one of the top FB programs in the conference. In addition, Cincy has had one for the top BB programs in the conference.

Losing UConn doesn't put much of a dent in the conference's stature. Losing Cincy would be absolutely devastating in both FB and MBB.

(09-10-2020 11:38 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(09-10-2020 08:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-10-2020 08:06 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(09-09-2020 08:15 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  ...quite frankly — and admittedly I'm biased because I root for the Bearcats — losing Cincinnati because of its one-two hoops/football punch and its very respectable academics (med school and strong endowment, for examples) would have been worse for the American than having lost UConn.

Losing Cincy would have been 10 times worse for the conference than losing UConn.

UConn was, as of their time of departure, still the biggest overall brand in the AAC. Cincinnati was just not on their level as an overall brand.

I wasn't referring to UConn's "brand."

Now that you've mentioned it though, their reputation was abysmal when they announced their departure, to such an extent that they even became a laughing stock on the conference message boards.

Why?

1) Because their FB program was the worst in the conference, even worse than ECU's.

2) Because their MBB program was found guilty of committing NCAA recruiting violations not only once, but over and over for the past two decades. All of UConn's championships during that era were due to cheating. The University was disgraced, and it was a disgrace to have UConn in the AAC.

But that wasn't the point. "Brand" is irrelevant to the conversation between Bill and I, which was about which school's departure would be more devastating to the conference.

UConn had a very poor FB team and a very mediocre basketball team the past few seasons. In contrast, Cincy has had a very good FB team in several AAC seasons, and has one of the top FB programs in the conference. In addition, Cincy has had one for the top BB programs in the conference.

Losing UConn doesn't put much of a dent in the conference's stature. Losing Cincy would be absolutely devastating in both FB and MBB.