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RE: Notre Dame in talks to join the ACC for 2020 football - Hokie Mark - 08-02-2020 01:14 PM (08-02-2020 07:12 AM)XLance Wrote:(07-31-2020 11:41 PM)3BNole Wrote: Yeah, the 3+5 model is really the way to go for a 14-team ACC. It would basically solve all the divisional issues. +1. Also correct. RE: Notre Dame in talks to join the ACC for 2020 football - solohawks - 08-02-2020 02:38 PM (08-02-2020 01:14 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:(08-02-2020 07:12 AM)XLance Wrote:(07-31-2020 11:41 PM)3BNole Wrote: Yeah, the 3+5 model is really the way to go for a 14-team ACC. It would basically solve all the divisional issues. Does the math work out to allow an odd number conference to all have the same number of permanent rivals? RE: Notre Dame in talks to join the ACC for 2020 football - bullet - 08-02-2020 02:50 PM (08-02-2020 02:38 PM)solohawks Wrote:(08-02-2020 01:14 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:(08-02-2020 07:12 AM)XLance Wrote:(07-31-2020 11:41 PM)3BNole Wrote: Yeah, the 3+5 model is really the way to go for a 14-team ACC. It would basically solve all the divisional issues. Yes, as long as it is an even number. 2, 4, 6 work. 1, 3, 5 don't. RE: Notre Dame in talks to join the ACC for 2020 football - Fighting Muskie - 08-02-2020 06:17 PM Anyone want to take a stab at what each team’s 4 permanent rivals would be if the ACC, with ND as their 15th, adopted such a model? RE: Notre Dame in talks to join the ACC for 2020 football - Nerdlinger - 08-02-2020 08:29 PM (08-02-2020 06:17 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: Anyone want to take a stab at what each team’s 4 permanent rivals would be if the ACC, with ND as their 15th, adopted such a model? I did already stab at it a few posts back: (08-01-2020 02:05 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:(08-01-2020 01:59 PM)Stugray2 Wrote: UNC for one, they even scheduled two OOC games with Wake when the ACC schedule dropped them off their play list. UNC is more important for NC State than the other way around. Duke tops UNC then Wake and Virginia. I'm thinking now that Clemson and Notre Dame have it too easy, so I'd pit them against each other and break up Clemson/NC State and GT/ND as protected pairings. I'll also break up UVA's pairings with Syracuse and WF and have the latter two play each other. UVA will instead be matched up against GT and NC State. Revised setup: Code: BOSTON COLLEGE Syracuse Pittsburgh BYE/OTHER Notre Dame Miami-FL RE: Notre Dame in talks to join the ACC for 2020 football - Statefan - 08-02-2020 08:56 PM (08-02-2020 06:17 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: Anyone want to take a stab at what each team’s 4 permanent rivals would be if the ACC, with ND as their 15th, adopted such a model? UNC - NCSU/Duke/UVa/WF (all of these games played over 105 times) NCSU - Duke/UNC/WF/UVa (returns Duke and UVa giving access to State of Va) UVa - VT/UNC/NCSU/Pitt (keeps game with Pitt) VT - BC/UVa/WF/ Miami (restores things with WF - their closest) Duke - UNC/GT/WF/NCSU (keeps GT, adds NC State) WF - NCSU/VT/Duke/UNC (adds UNC and VT, ratchets back Clemson) GT - Duke/FSU/CU/Louisville (significant trades here to add FSU and Louisville) Clemson - BC/FSU/GT/Louisville (reduces annual games in NC and Va) FSU - Miami/GT/Clemson/Syracuse (What they want, bumping BC) Miami - ND/FSU/VT/Louis (Convicts v. Catholics) Louisville - Syracuse/Clemson/GT/Miami (Southern orientation for Louis) BC - ND/Syracuse/Clemson/VT (ND plus two good Southern games) Syracuse - Louisville/BC/Pitt/FSU (High profile FSU game, then traditional BE foes) Pitt - ND/Syracuse/Louisville/UVa (Traditional and regional) ND - Pitt/Miami/BC/ (These three are likely most palatable to ND on an annual basis) In this model UNC/GT and NC State/Clemson are broken, however with a 4-5 you are going to see that old rival every other year. This allows you to concentrate regional rivalries, and in some cases allow for a longer distance relationship to continue like BC/Clemson and Syracuse/FSU. Their isolation in the far north of the ACC creates the need for them to have a southern partner so to speak. I may have messed up but come up one short for ND. Theoretically they could play one less league game and it should not matter. RE: Notre Dame in talks to join the ACC for 2020 football - Statefan - 08-02-2020 09:33 PM So for Clemson their bi-annual schedule is: BC/FSU/GT/Louisville/Miami/UNC/Duke/UVa/Pitt BC/FSU/GT/Louisville/ND/NCSU/WF/VT/Syracuse For Syracuse BC/FSU/Louisville/Pitt/NCSU/UVa/Wake/Clemson/Miami BC/FSU/Louisville/Pitt/UNC/VT/Duke/GT/ND For ND Pitt/BC/Miami/NCSU/WF/VT/Clemson/Louisville/Syracuse Pitt/BC/Miami/UNC/Duke/UVa/GT/FSU/NAVY* The concession to ND is that they have Navy count as a conference game every two years, giving ND 7 openings over 2 years to play USC/Navy/Stanford/Purdue/SEC, etc. RE: Notre Dame in talks to join the ACC for 2020 football - Nerdlinger - 08-02-2020 09:42 PM (08-02-2020 08:56 PM)Statefan Wrote:(08-02-2020 06:17 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: Anyone want to take a stab at what each team’s 4 permanent rivals would be if the ACC, with ND as their 15th, adopted such a model? I didn't analyze it in depth, but I can see you have Louisville down as an opponent 5 times. Pitt is not listed as an opponent for Louisville though. RE: Notre Dame in talks to join the ACC for 2020 football - solohawks - 08-02-2020 10:31 PM Here is my shot at the 4+5 model Miami- FSU, ND, UVA, GT FSU- Miami, Clemson, GT, Syracuse GT- Clemson, ND, FSU, Miami Clemson- GT, FSU, VT, Louisville WF- Duke, VT, NCSU, UNC NCSU- UNC, Duke, WF, VT Duke- WF, NCSU, UNC, UVA UNC- NCSU, UVA, Duke, WF UVA- VT, UNC, Miami, Duke VT- UVA, WF, Clemson, NCSU Louisville- Pitt, Syracuse, BC, Clemson Pitt- Louisville, BC, Syracuse, ND Syracuse- BC, Louisville, Pitt, FSU BC- Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, ND ND- Miami, GT, Pitt, BC RE: Notre Dame in talks to join the ACC for 2020 football - Nerdlinger - 08-02-2020 10:38 PM For a divisionless ACC with 15 FB members, a 4 (protected) + 5 (rotating) schedule would certainly be best, but I doubt you'll get enough teams on board with a 9-game conference schedule to make it stick. A 4+4 schedule could still work though, with all non-protected opponents playing home and away within 5 years. 1H 2A 3H 4A 5H 6A 7H 8A 9H 10A 1A 2H 3A 4H 5A 6H 7A 8H 9A 10H RE: Notre Dame in talks to join the ACC for 2020 football - goofus - 08-03-2020 04:11 AM (08-02-2020 10:38 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote: For a divisionless ACC with 15 FB members, a 4 (protected) + 5 (rotating) schedule would certainly be best, but I doubt you'll get enough teams on board with a 9-game conference schedule to make it stick. A 4+4 schedule could still work though, with all non-protected opponents playing home and away within 5 years. I think 2+6 is the way to go with an 8 game schedule in a 15-team conference. But if members insist on 4 permanent rivals then a 3-tier approach might work best. 4+2+2 4 permant rivals you play every year (4 games a year) 4 rivals you play every other year (2 games a year) 6 rivals you play every 3 years (2 games each year) RE: Notre Dame in talks to join the ACC for 2020 football - Nerdlinger - 08-03-2020 12:36 PM (08-03-2020 04:11 AM)goofus Wrote:(08-02-2020 10:38 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote: For a divisionless ACC with 15 FB members, a 4 (protected) + 5 (rotating) schedule would certainly be best, but I doubt you'll get enough teams on board with a 9-game conference schedule to make it stick. A 4+4 schedule could still work though, with all non-protected opponents playing home and away within 5 years. Only 2 protected FB opponents is probably too few, but if we go by the current ACC BB setup, each team has 2 designated opponents that they play twice every year: Code: BOSTON COLLEGE Notre Dame Syracuse That's a good framework for determining a divisionless FB setup with only 2 protected opponents, though it looks like some changes need to be made. For one, I would guess that Notre Dame would prefer Miami and Pitt for FB over BC and GT. In that case, I'd break up BC/ND, GT/ND, Louisville/Pitt, Louisville/UVA, and Miami/VT in favor of BC/Louisville, GT/UVA, Louisville/VT, Miami/ND, and ND/Pitt. Code: BOSTON COLLEGE Louisville Syracuse The most historically important rivalry that's not protected here is UNC/UVA, but with only 2 options, UNC would still prefer Duke and NC State over UVA. RE: Notre Dame in talks to join the ACC for 2020 football - Fighting Muskie - 08-03-2020 01:21 PM So with 14 you can do 3-5/5: 3 permanent rivals and the other 10 every other year. Bring in ND and you have to go to 2-6/6: 2 permanent rivals and the other 12 every other year. To keep that 3rd rivalry you’re going to have times where you don’t see somebody in 3 seasons. I imagine there’s going to be some serious opposition to adding a 9th conference game, especially in any theoretical scenario where ND is a full member. RE: Notre Dame in talks to join the ACC for 2020 football - Nerdlinger - 08-03-2020 01:36 PM (08-03-2020 01:21 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: So with 14 you can do 3-5/5: 3 permanent rivals and the other 10 every other year. As has been shown, the bold is not true. A setup with 4 protected and 4 rotating opponents each year would work fine, for instance. Yes, there will be some pairs that don't play for 3 years at most, but right now there are many pairs that don't play for 5 or 7 years. RE: Notre Dame in talks to join the ACC for 2020 football - Statefan - 08-03-2020 01:38 PM (08-02-2020 10:31 PM)solohawks Wrote: Here is my shot at the 4+5 model Solo - UNC and Duke have played every year since before WWII. Neither will let that go. RE: Notre Dame in talks to join the ACC for 2020 football - Statefan - 08-03-2020 01:38 PM (08-03-2020 12:36 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:(08-03-2020 04:11 AM)goofus Wrote:(08-02-2020 10:38 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote: For a divisionless ACC with 15 FB members, a 4 (protected) + 5 (rotating) schedule would certainly be best, but I doubt you'll get enough teams on board with a 9-game conference schedule to make it stick. A 4+4 schedule could still work though, with all non-protected opponents playing home and away within 5 years. No they would not. RE: Notre Dame in talks to join the ACC for 2020 football - Nerdlinger - 08-03-2020 01:41 PM (08-03-2020 01:38 PM)Statefan Wrote:(08-02-2020 10:31 PM)solohawks Wrote: Here is my shot at the 4+5 model He has UNC and Duke paired though. Did you mean GT and Duke? RE: Notre Dame in talks to join the ACC for 2020 football - Nerdlinger - 08-03-2020 01:43 PM (08-03-2020 01:38 PM)Statefan Wrote:(08-03-2020 12:36 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote: The most historically important rivalry that's not protected here is UNC/UVA, but with only 2 options, UNC would still prefer Duke and NC State over UVA. So UVA would supplant NC State? RE: Notre Dame in talks to join the ACC for 2020 football - Statefan - 08-03-2020 01:54 PM Sorry meant GT and Duke. Of course UNC prefers UVa over NC State - longest UNC series. UNC series: 124 UVa 109 NC State 107 WF 104 Duke 70 MD 58 Clemson and SC 54 GT 31 UGa 30 Tennessee RE: Notre Dame in talks to join the ACC for 2020 football - Hokie Mark - 08-03-2020 02:02 PM If these ACC leaders have half a brain between them they'll stop worrying so much about who members WANT to play and focus on which match-ups make the most money! If you can fit in the rivalries that casual fans don't care about, fine - but those should not, CANNOT be the priority if the ACC is to try to keep up with the SEC and the Big Ten... |