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RE: COVID19 is still here but so are workouts for WACBB20/21... - NMSUPistolPete - 07-27-2020 11:34 AM

(07-27-2020 09:29 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(07-26-2020 07:04 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(07-23-2020 09:37 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  The days of getting a good deal are probably gone. Old Key was desperate for dates. New Key will have an NHL team plus the concert/event boost of a new/renovated arena. Every Saturday will be taken up by something more lucrative.

I doubt it. Look at the Staples Center in LA. In a normal year, they have the Lakers, Clippers and Kings playing in the arena, as well as concerts and other events, covering about 250 events per year. The Kraken will be good for 41 home dates in hockey, plus a few preseason games. The Redhawks should be able to play 15 home games per season at the Climate Pledge Arena, along with Roller Derby and the WNBA.

The arena is only about three miles from the campus. The Redhawks need to play in a bigger arena to grow their basketball program. There is no NBA basketball in Seattle and only one other D1 school. They city produces a lot of high school basketball talent. The Redhawks have been able to schedule quality opponents over the years at that arena. They were getting home games at the Key Arena that no other WAC school could get. The Redhawks have huge upside and need to play in that arena.

The difference being Lakers/Clippers/Kings games are all lucrative events for the Staples Center. An SU game with a couple thousand attendees doesn't bring enough revenue to the arena manager -- and that bar for arena management to breakeven on an event will be higher after renovations. The trickle down is they'll be charging SU more to use it, when SU (a) can't draw enough gameday revenue to justify the cost and (b) is looking to cut costs in the current climate.

It's easier to get a sweetheart deal when an older, non-NHL/NBA arena needs dates. You have the leverage because the arena doesn't want to sit empty. The leverage flips when it's shiny with an NHL team and events are racing to book the new hot thing.

Well, Seattle U. missed an opportunity to build its brand when it returned to D1. Either Cameron Dollar was a bad hire or Seattle U did not give him the resources to jump start the program. The use and cost of the KeyArena became an albatross as fan interest waned.

Season..... Record... Attendance... Coach... Games Played in KeyArena
2009-10..... 17-14..... 3,548... Cameron Dollar... 13 games
2010-11..... 11-20..... 4,614... Cameron Dollar... 13 games
2011-12..... 12-15..... 2,944... Cameron Dollar... 16 games
2012-13..... 8-22..... 2,726... Cameron Dollar... 17 games
2013-14..... 13-17..... 2,193... Cameron Dollar... 14 games
2014-15..... 18-16..... 2,059... Cameron Dollar... 15 games
2015-16..... 15-17..... 1,675... Cameron Dollar... 15 games
2016-17..... 13-17..... 1,405... Cameron Dollar... 10 games
2017-18..... 20-14..... 1,384..... Jim Hayford..... 9 games
2018-19..... 18-15..... 985..... Jim Hayford..... 0 games
2019-20..... 14-15..... 834..... Jim Hayford..... 0 games

After Seattle University's initial start back into D1, attendance started sliding after the second season. Dollar produced only two winning seasons in his eight years. Also, the number of games played in the KeyArena started to reduce as attendance slowly to dropped year by year. Starting in 2016, games that were normally being played at KeyArena prior were now being played in the smaller confines of the Redhawk Center. The next two years will be very important in Jim Hayford's career. After his initial big splash on the program by winning 20 games, his program has slowly sliding backwards. Hayford needs to reverse that trend this season. And, If Seattle U gets the usage of the new Climate Pledge Arena for 2021-22, Hayford must use the buzz of this state of the art arena to infuse a new excitement into the program; with increased fan interest and a jumpstart on his local Seattle inner-city recruiting. Otherwise, if the new arena cost is too high, Seattle U. needs to find a more permanent remedy for the smallish size of the RedHawk Center.


RE: COVID19 is still here but so are workouts for WACBB20/21... - SoCalBobcat78 - 07-27-2020 02:44 PM

(07-27-2020 09:29 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  The difference being Lakers/Clippers/Kings games are all lucrative events for the Staples Center. An SU game with a couple thousand attendees doesn't bring enough revenue to the arena manager -- and that bar for arena management to breakeven on an event will be higher after renovations. The trickle down is they'll be charging SU more to use it, when SU (a) can't draw enough gameday revenue to justify the cost and (b) is looking to cut costs in the current climate.

It's easier to get a sweetheart deal when an older, non-NHL/NBA arena needs dates. You have the leverage because the arena doesn't want to sit empty. The leverage flips when it's shiny with an NHL team and events are racing to book the new hot thing.

That is the whole point. The Staples Center can fill the arena easily. In Seattle, it is much more difficult. Besides the Kraken, which will have 41 regular season home dates, the WNBA Seattle Storm will play 18 regular season home games their from May through August. Then they are planning another 70-80 concerts/live events for the new arena annually. That still leaves a lot of openings. especially in the winter months. The goal for the new arena is 200-250 potential use dates planned each year. The Seattle Redhawks playing 15 home games annually in the winter months should be no problem and in fact, they are listed as co-tenants.

The Climate Pledge Arena will eventually need to get an NBA team in that building, but that will probably take a while, but even with an NBA team they should be easily be able to play 15 games per season there. Seattle cannot play in their gym long term and the Climate Pledge Arena is just a couple of miles away. It just makes sense until and unless they build an arena on campus.


RE: COVID19 is still here but so are workouts for WACBB20/21... - SoCalBobcat78 - 07-27-2020 03:54 PM

(07-27-2020 11:34 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  Well, Seattle U. missed an opportunity to build its brand when it returned to D1. Either Cameron Dollar was a bad hire or Seattle U did not give him the resources to jump start the program. The use and cost of the KeyArena became an albatross as fan interest waned.

Season..... Record... Attendance... Coach... Games Played in KeyArena
2009-10..... 17-14..... 3,548... Cameron Dollar... 13 games
2010-11..... 11-20..... 4,614... Cameron Dollar... 13 games
2011-12..... 12-15..... 2,944... Cameron Dollar... 16 games
2012-13..... 8-22..... 2,726... Cameron Dollar... 17 games
2013-14..... 13-17..... 2,193... Cameron Dollar... 14 games
2014-15..... 18-16..... 2,059... Cameron Dollar... 15 games
2015-16..... 15-17..... 1,675... Cameron Dollar... 15 games
2016-17..... 13-17..... 1,405... Cameron Dollar... 10 games
2017-18..... 20-14..... 1,384..... Jim Hayford..... 9 games
2018-19..... 18-15..... 985..... Jim Hayford..... 0 games
2019-20..... 14-15..... 834..... Jim Hayford..... 0 games

After Seattle University's initial start back into D1, attendance started sliding after the second season. Dollar produced only two winning seasons in his eight years. Also, the number of games played in the KeyArena started to reduce as attendance slowly to dropped year by year. Starting in 2016, games that were normally being played at KeyArena prior were now being played in the smaller confines of the Redhawk Center. The next two years will be very important in Jim Hayford's career. After his initial big splash on the program by winning 20 games, his program has slowly sliding backwards. Hayford needs to reverse that trend this season. And, If Seattle U gets the usage of the new Climate Pledge Arena for 2021-22, Hayford must use the buzz of this state of the art arena to infuse a new excitement into the program; with increased fan interest and a jumpstart on his local Seattle inner-city recruiting. Otherwise, if the new arena cost is too high, Seattle U. needs to find a more permanent remedy for the smallish size of the RedHawk Center.

https://www.sonicsrising.com/2018/3/5/17073814/local-partnerships-vital-new-seattle-arena-nhl-ovg-amazon

"OVG Seattle quickly formed relationships with the WNBA’s Seattle Storm and the Seattle University Redhawks basketball program to secure their home in the new arena."

Redevelopment of the Arena complex is financed and paid for privately, solely by OVG and its partners, through a development and lease contract with the City of Seattle. The city of Seattle owns the arena. The Storm averages 7,000 to 8,000 per game and the Redhawks best season was 4,614. Seattle University should average 3,000 to 4,000 per game. Neither the Storm or the Redhawks are tearing it up at the gate, but they are both needed for the new arena.


RE: COVID19 is still here but so are workouts for WACBB20/21... - NMSUPistolPete - 07-27-2020 04:30 PM

(07-27-2020 03:54 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(07-27-2020 11:34 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  Well, Seattle U. missed an opportunity to build its brand when it returned to D1. Either Cameron Dollar was a bad hire or Seattle U did not give him the resources to jump start the program. The use and cost of the KeyArena became an albatross as fan interest waned.

Season..... Record... Attendance... Coach... Games Played in KeyArena
2009-10..... 17-14..... 3,548... Cameron Dollar... 13 games
2010-11..... 11-20..... 4,614... Cameron Dollar... 13 games
2011-12..... 12-15..... 2,944... Cameron Dollar... 16 games
2012-13..... 8-22..... 2,726... Cameron Dollar... 17 games
2013-14..... 13-17..... 2,193... Cameron Dollar... 14 games
2014-15..... 18-16..... 2,059... Cameron Dollar... 15 games
2015-16..... 15-17..... 1,675... Cameron Dollar... 15 games
2016-17..... 13-17..... 1,405... Cameron Dollar... 10 games
2017-18..... 20-14..... 1,384..... Jim Hayford..... 9 games
2018-19..... 18-15..... 985..... Jim Hayford..... 0 games
2019-20..... 14-15..... 834..... Jim Hayford..... 0 games

After Seattle University's initial start back into D1, attendance started sliding after the second season. Dollar produced only two winning seasons in his eight years. Also, the number of games played in the KeyArena started to reduce as attendance slowly to dropped year by year. Starting in 2016, games that were normally being played at KeyArena prior were now being played in the smaller confines of the Redhawk Center. The next two years will be very important in Jim Hayford's career. After his initial big splash on the program by winning 20 games, his program has slowly sliding backwards. Hayford needs to reverse that trend this season. And, If Seattle U gets the usage of the new Climate Pledge Arena for 2021-22, Hayford must use the buzz of this state of the art arena to infuse a new excitement into the program; with increased fan interest and a jumpstart on his local Seattle inner-city recruiting. Otherwise, if the new arena cost is too high, Seattle U. needs to find a more permanent remedy for the smallish size of the RedHawk Center.

https://www.sonicsrising.com/2018/3/5/17073814/local-partnerships-vital-new-seattle-arena-nhl-ovg-amazon

"OVG Seattle quickly formed relationships with the WNBA’s Seattle Storm and the Seattle University Redhawks basketball program to secure their home in the new arena."

Redevelopment of the Arena complex is financed and paid for privately, solely by OVG and its partners, through a development and lease contract with the City of Seattle. The city of Seattle owns the arena. The Storm averages 7,000 to 8,000 per game and the Redhawks best season was 4,614. Seattle University should average 3,000 to 4,000 per game. Neither the Storm or the Redhawks are tearing it up at the gate, but they are both needed for the new arena.

I don't disagree that Seattle U. needs the usage of the new Climate Pledge Arena. But unlike during Dollar's tenure, Seattle U needs to average/maintain an attendance of at least 3000-plus fans per game. That arena is too cavernous to draw only 1000-1500 fans. When Seattle U. initially jumped back into D1, it missed an opportunity to stir fan interest; much like GCU and CBU have done since. I suspect Dixie State's fans support will rise even further next season once it starts its inaugural D1 season. Seattle U. is in too good a location (a basketball hotbed) to draw such dismal attendance numbers. The opening of the Climate Pledge Arena should help but Hayford needs to put a product on the court people want to see. Signing local kids would help.

Additionally, keep in mind, when the Climate Pledge Arena starts filling dates for its event schedule. it is more likely Seattle U. will not get many of the weekend dates. Seattle U. will be occupying the arena during the week days (Thursday WAC games) and on the some of the weekends when the NHL team is on the road or a major concert tour is not scheduled in town.


RE: COVID19 is still here but so are workouts for WACBB20/21... - SoCalBobcat78 - 07-27-2020 07:27 PM

(07-27-2020 04:30 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  
(07-27-2020 03:54 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(07-27-2020 11:34 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  Well, Seattle U. missed an opportunity to build its brand when it returned to D1. Either Cameron Dollar was a bad hire or Seattle U did not give him the resources to jump start the program. The use and cost of the KeyArena became an albatross as fan interest waned.

Season..... Record... Attendance... Coach... Games Played in KeyArena
2009-10..... 17-14..... 3,548... Cameron Dollar... 13 games
2010-11..... 11-20..... 4,614... Cameron Dollar... 13 games
2011-12..... 12-15..... 2,944... Cameron Dollar... 16 games
2012-13..... 8-22..... 2,726... Cameron Dollar... 17 games
2013-14..... 13-17..... 2,193... Cameron Dollar... 14 games
2014-15..... 18-16..... 2,059... Cameron Dollar... 15 games
2015-16..... 15-17..... 1,675... Cameron Dollar... 15 games
2016-17..... 13-17..... 1,405... Cameron Dollar... 10 games
2017-18..... 20-14..... 1,384..... Jim Hayford..... 9 games
2018-19..... 18-15..... 985..... Jim Hayford..... 0 games
2019-20..... 14-15..... 834..... Jim Hayford..... 0 games

After Seattle University's initial start back into D1, attendance started sliding after the second season. Dollar produced only two winning seasons in his eight years. Also, the number of games played in the KeyArena started to reduce as attendance slowly to dropped year by year. Starting in 2016, games that were normally being played at KeyArena prior were now being played in the smaller confines of the Redhawk Center. The next two years will be very important in Jim Hayford's career. After his initial big splash on the program by winning 20 games, his program has slowly sliding backwards. Hayford needs to reverse that trend this season. And, If Seattle U gets the usage of the new Climate Pledge Arena for 2021-22, Hayford must use the buzz of this state of the art arena to infuse a new excitement into the program; with increased fan interest and a jumpstart on his local Seattle inner-city recruiting. Otherwise, if the new arena cost is too high, Seattle U. needs to find a more permanent remedy for the smallish size of the RedHawk Center.

https://www.sonicsrising.com/2018/3/5/17073814/local-partnerships-vital-new-seattle-arena-nhl-ovg-amazon

"OVG Seattle quickly formed relationships with the WNBA’s Seattle Storm and the Seattle University Redhawks basketball program to secure their home in the new arena."

Redevelopment of the Arena complex is financed and paid for privately, solely by OVG and its partners, through a development and lease contract with the City of Seattle. The city of Seattle owns the arena. The Storm averages 7,000 to 8,000 per game and the Redhawks best season was 4,614. Seattle University should average 3,000 to 4,000 per game. Neither the Storm or the Redhawks are tearing it up at the gate, but they are both needed for the new arena.

I don't disagree that Seattle U. needs the usage of the new Climate Pledge Arena. But unlike during Dollar's tenure, Seattle U needs to average/maintain an attendance of at least 3000-plus fans per game. That arena is too cavernous to draw only 1000-1500 fans. When Seattle U. initially jumped back into D1, it missed an opportunity to stir fan interest; much like GCU and CBU have done since. I suspect Dixie State's fans support will rise even further next season once it starts its inaugural D1 season. Seattle U. is in too good a location (a basketball hotbed) to draw such dismal attendance numbers. The opening of the Climate Pledge Arena should help but Hayford needs to put a product on the court people want to see. Signing local kids would help.

Additionally, keep in mind, when the Climate Pledge Arena starts filling dates for its event schedule. it is more likely Seattle U. will not get many of the weekend dates. Seattle U. will be occupying the arena during the week days (Thursday WAC games) and on the some of the weekends when the NHL team is on the road or a major concert tour is not scheduled in town.

They are considered an important tenant, given that there is no NBA basketball in the area. Concert events will work around the schedules of the Kraken, the Storm and the Redhawks. I just don't see that as much of a problem. We are talking about 15 or 16 home dates. Hayford has had a number of things not go well for him and he still has a winning record at 52-44 with Seattle. In 2017-2018, they averaged 2,246 fans for nine home games at Key Arena, including a high of 4,448 against Cal State Bakersfield. They should be able to average 3,000 to 4,000 in a renovated arena.

I think Dixie State will eventually average 3,000 to 4,000 fans per game. They averaged 2,325 in 2018-2019, 2nd in the country at the D2 level. I think schools sometimes have to find their fans, if they are out there. Marketing, winning, being entertaining and having a great place to watch a game all helps. I think the WAC has a lot of upside with the current group, but it will take a few years.


RE: COVID19 is still here but so are workouts for WACBB20/21... - Lopes87 - 07-28-2020 03:13 PM

(07-27-2020 07:27 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(07-27-2020 04:30 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  
(07-27-2020 03:54 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(07-27-2020 11:34 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  Well, Seattle U. missed an opportunity to build its brand when it returned to D1. Either Cameron Dollar was a bad hire or Seattle U did not give him the resources to jump start the program. The use and cost of the KeyArena became an albatross as fan interest waned.

Season..... Record... Attendance... Coach... Games Played in KeyArena
2009-10..... 17-14..... 3,548... Cameron Dollar... 13 games
2010-11..... 11-20..... 4,614... Cameron Dollar... 13 games
2011-12..... 12-15..... 2,944... Cameron Dollar... 16 games
2012-13..... 8-22..... 2,726... Cameron Dollar... 17 games
2013-14..... 13-17..... 2,193... Cameron Dollar... 14 games
2014-15..... 18-16..... 2,059... Cameron Dollar... 15 games
2015-16..... 15-17..... 1,675... Cameron Dollar... 15 games
2016-17..... 13-17..... 1,405... Cameron Dollar... 10 games
2017-18..... 20-14..... 1,384..... Jim Hayford..... 9 games
2018-19..... 18-15..... 985..... Jim Hayford..... 0 games
2019-20..... 14-15..... 834..... Jim Hayford..... 0 games

After Seattle University's initial start back into D1, attendance started sliding after the second season. Dollar produced only two winning seasons in his eight years. Also, the number of games played in the KeyArena started to reduce as attendance slowly to dropped year by year. Starting in 2016, games that were normally being played at KeyArena prior were now being played in the smaller confines of the Redhawk Center. The next two years will be very important in Jim Hayford's career. After his initial big splash on the program by winning 20 games, his program has slowly sliding backwards. Hayford needs to reverse that trend this season. And, If Seattle U gets the usage of the new Climate Pledge Arena for 2021-22, Hayford must use the buzz of this state of the art arena to infuse a new excitement into the program; with increased fan interest and a jumpstart on his local Seattle inner-city recruiting. Otherwise, if the new arena cost is too high, Seattle U. needs to find a more permanent remedy for the smallish size of the RedHawk Center.

https://www.sonicsrising.com/2018/3/5/17073814/local-partnerships-vital-new-seattle-arena-nhl-ovg-amazon

"OVG Seattle quickly formed relationships with the WNBA’s Seattle Storm and the Seattle University Redhawks basketball program to secure their home in the new arena."

Redevelopment of the Arena complex is financed and paid for privately, solely by OVG and its partners, through a development and lease contract with the City of Seattle. The city of Seattle owns the arena. The Storm averages 7,000 to 8,000 per game and the Redhawks best season was 4,614. Seattle University should average 3,000 to 4,000 per game. Neither the Storm or the Redhawks are tearing it up at the gate, but they are both needed for the new arena.

I don't disagree that Seattle U. needs the usage of the new Climate Pledge Arena. But unlike during Dollar's tenure, Seattle U needs to average/maintain an attendance of at least 3000-plus fans per game. That arena is too cavernous to draw only 1000-1500 fans. When Seattle U. initially jumped back into D1, it missed an opportunity to stir fan interest; much like GCU and CBU have done since. I suspect Dixie State's fans support will rise even further next season once it starts its inaugural D1 season. Seattle U. is in too good a location (a basketball hotbed) to draw such dismal attendance numbers. The opening of the Climate Pledge Arena should help but Hayford needs to put a product on the court people want to see. Signing local kids would help.

Additionally, keep in mind, when the Climate Pledge Arena starts filling dates for its event schedule. it is more likely Seattle U. will not get many of the weekend dates. Seattle U. will be occupying the arena during the week days (Thursday WAC games) and on the some of the weekends when the NHL team is on the road or a major concert tour is not scheduled in town.

They are considered an important tenant, given that there is no NBA basketball in the area. Concert events will work around the schedules of the Kraken, the Storm and the Redhawks. I just don't see that as much of a problem. We are talking about 15 or 16 home dates. Hayford has had a number of things not go well for him and he still has a winning record at 52-44 with Seattle. In 2017-2018, they averaged 2,246 fans for nine home games at Key Arena, including a high of 4,448 against Cal State Bakersfield. They should be able to average 3,000 to 4,000 in a renovated arena.

I think Dixie State will eventually average 3,000 to 4,000 fans per game. They averaged 2,325 in 2018-2019, 2nd in the country at the D2 level. I think schools sometimes have to find their fans, if they are out there. Marketing, winning, being entertaining and having a great place to watch a game all helps. I think the WAC has a lot of upside with the current group, but it will take a few years.

You are forgetting that before the remodel SU was getting the venue for practically free bc the city wanted the building to be used now that OVG is running the show they won't be getting the same low rent they were before remodel. So it will come down to how much will SU be ok spending for rent and then to expect WBB at SU to put up a stink and we could possibly see for MBB and WBB at Climate Pledge Arena or what most in Seattle are calling it "The Greenhouse".


RE: COVID19 is still here but so are workouts for WACBB20/21... - NMSUPistolPete - 07-28-2020 03:40 PM





RE: COVID19 is still here but so are workouts for WACBB20/21... - PojoaquePosse - 07-28-2020 04:01 PM

(07-27-2020 03:54 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(07-27-2020 11:34 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  Well, Seattle U. missed an opportunity to build its brand when it returned to D1. Either Cameron Dollar was a bad hire or Seattle U did not give him the resources to jump start the program. The use and cost of the KeyArena became an albatross as fan interest waned.

Season..... Record... Attendance... Coach... Games Played in KeyArena
2009-10..... 17-14..... 3,548... Cameron Dollar... 13 games
2010-11..... 11-20..... 4,614... Cameron Dollar... 13 games
2011-12..... 12-15..... 2,944... Cameron Dollar... 16 games
2012-13..... 8-22..... 2,726... Cameron Dollar... 17 games
2013-14..... 13-17..... 2,193... Cameron Dollar... 14 games
2014-15..... 18-16..... 2,059... Cameron Dollar... 15 games
2015-16..... 15-17..... 1,675... Cameron Dollar... 15 games
2016-17..... 13-17..... 1,405... Cameron Dollar... 10 games
2017-18..... 20-14..... 1,384..... Jim Hayford..... 9 games
2018-19..... 18-15..... 985..... Jim Hayford..... 0 games
2019-20..... 14-15..... 834..... Jim Hayford..... 0 games

After Seattle University's initial start back into D1, attendance started sliding after the second season. Dollar produced only two winning seasons in his eight years. Also, the number of games played in the KeyArena started to reduce as attendance slowly to dropped year by year. Starting in 2016, games that were normally being played at KeyArena prior were now being played in the smaller confines of the Redhawk Center. The next two years will be very important in Jim Hayford's career. After his initial big splash on the program by winning 20 games, his program has slowly sliding backwards. Hayford needs to reverse that trend this season. And, If Seattle U gets the usage of the new Climate Pledge Arena for 2021-22, Hayford must use the buzz of this state of the art arena to infuse a new excitement into the program; with increased fan interest and a jumpstart on his local Seattle inner-city recruiting. Otherwise, if the new arena cost is too high, Seattle U. needs to find a more permanent remedy for the smallish size of the RedHawk Center.

https://www.sonicsrising.com/2018/3/5/17073814/local-partnerships-vital-new-seattle-arena-nhl-ovg-amazon

"OVG Seattle quickly formed relationships with the WNBA’s Seattle Storm and the Seattle University Redhawks basketball program to secure their home in the new arena."

Redevelopment of the Arena complex is financed and paid for privately, solely by OVG and its partners, through a development and lease contract with the City of Seattle. The city of Seattle owns the arena. The Storm averages 7,000 to 8,000 per game and the Redhawks best season was 4,614. Seattle University should average 3,000 to 4,000 per game. Neither the Storm or the Redhawks are tearing it up at the gate, but they are both needed for the new arena.

That is a very old article. Over 2 years old. Someone mentioned a couple months ago that Seattle U's name was removed from the website of the new arena. Not sure if that is true or not. It is not a sure thing that SU will play in the new arena. But I agree that giving them a handful of dates for their schedule is a very simple task. Not a big deal at all.


RE: COVID19 is still here but so are workouts for WACBB20/21... - PojoaquePosse - 07-28-2020 04:02 PM

(07-27-2020 04:30 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  
(07-27-2020 03:54 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(07-27-2020 11:34 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  Well, Seattle U. missed an opportunity to build its brand when it returned to D1. Either Cameron Dollar was a bad hire or Seattle U did not give him the resources to jump start the program. The use and cost of the KeyArena became an albatross as fan interest waned.

Season..... Record... Attendance... Coach... Games Played in KeyArena
2009-10..... 17-14..... 3,548... Cameron Dollar... 13 games
2010-11..... 11-20..... 4,614... Cameron Dollar... 13 games
2011-12..... 12-15..... 2,944... Cameron Dollar... 16 games
2012-13..... 8-22..... 2,726... Cameron Dollar... 17 games
2013-14..... 13-17..... 2,193... Cameron Dollar... 14 games
2014-15..... 18-16..... 2,059... Cameron Dollar... 15 games
2015-16..... 15-17..... 1,675... Cameron Dollar... 15 games
2016-17..... 13-17..... 1,405... Cameron Dollar... 10 games
2017-18..... 20-14..... 1,384..... Jim Hayford..... 9 games
2018-19..... 18-15..... 985..... Jim Hayford..... 0 games
2019-20..... 14-15..... 834..... Jim Hayford..... 0 games

After Seattle University's initial start back into D1, attendance started sliding after the second season. Dollar produced only two winning seasons in his eight years. Also, the number of games played in the KeyArena started to reduce as attendance slowly to dropped year by year. Starting in 2016, games that were normally being played at KeyArena prior were now being played in the smaller confines of the Redhawk Center. The next two years will be very important in Jim Hayford's career. After his initial big splash on the program by winning 20 games, his program has slowly sliding backwards. Hayford needs to reverse that trend this season. And, If Seattle U gets the usage of the new Climate Pledge Arena for 2021-22, Hayford must use the buzz of this state of the art arena to infuse a new excitement into the program; with increased fan interest and a jumpstart on his local Seattle inner-city recruiting. Otherwise, if the new arena cost is too high, Seattle U. needs to find a more permanent remedy for the smallish size of the RedHawk Center.

https://www.sonicsrising.com/2018/3/5/17073814/local-partnerships-vital-new-seattle-arena-nhl-ovg-amazon

"OVG Seattle quickly formed relationships with the WNBA’s Seattle Storm and the Seattle University Redhawks basketball program to secure their home in the new arena."

Redevelopment of the Arena complex is financed and paid for privately, solely by OVG and its partners, through a development and lease contract with the City of Seattle. The city of Seattle owns the arena. The Storm averages 7,000 to 8,000 per game and the Redhawks best season was 4,614. Seattle University should average 3,000 to 4,000 per game. Neither the Storm or the Redhawks are tearing it up at the gate, but they are both needed for the new arena.

I don't disagree that Seattle U. needs the usage of the new Climate Pledge Arena. But unlike during Dollar's tenure, Seattle U needs to average/maintain an attendance of at least 3000-plus fans per game. That arena is too cavernous to draw only 1000-1500 fans. When Seattle U. initially jumped back into D1, it missed an opportunity to stir fan interest; much like GCU and CBU have done since. I suspect Dixie State's fans support will rise even further next season once it starts its inaugural D1 season. Seattle U. is in too good a location (a basketball hotbed) to draw such dismal attendance numbers. The opening of the Climate Pledge Arena should help but Hayford needs to put a product on the court people want to see. Signing local kids would help.

Additionally, keep in mind, when the Climate Pledge Arena starts filling dates for its event schedule. it is more likely Seattle U. will not get many of the weekend dates. Seattle U. will be occupying the arena during the week days (Thursday WAC games) and on the some of the weekends when the NHL team is on the road or a major concert tour is not scheduled in town.

IIRC, in the renderings for the new arena showed a setup where they could close off the upper bowl making the arena more intimate for smaller gatherings. If so, that would work perfect for SU.


RE: COVID19 is still here but so are workouts for WACBB20/21... - NMSUPistolPete - 07-28-2020 09:51 PM



I have to say GCU's Molly Miller is one very attractive women's head coach...





RE: COVID19 is still here but so are workouts for WACBB20/21... - gleadley - 07-29-2020 10:19 AM

(07-28-2020 09:51 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

I have to say GCU's Molly Miller is one very attractive women's head coach...



I don't care if she looks like Jim Hayford in a wig... History shows Miller can coach her @$$ off. Lopes fans are hopeful her system and style of play translate and produce the same results now at the highest level (i.e. D1) that she experienced at Drury.

That said, I'm giving her the same Year 3 window that I have for Coach Drew before I judge just how strong of a program she is building.


RE: COVID19 is still here but so are workouts for WACBB20/21... - NMSUPistolPete - 07-29-2020 07:05 PM

It appears Molly Miller has a winning coaching philosophy. The key will be whether she can recruit at a D1 talent; in order to make what worked at D2 Drury work at GCU.







RE: COVID19 is still here but so are workouts for WACBB20/21... - SoCalBobcat78 - 07-30-2020 02:45 PM

(07-28-2020 04:01 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(07-27-2020 03:54 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  https://www.sonicsrising.com/2018/3/5/17073814/local-partnerships-vital-new-seattle-arena-nhl-ovg-amazon

"OVG Seattle quickly formed relationships with the WNBA’s Seattle Storm and the Seattle University Redhawks basketball program to secure their home in the new arena."

Redevelopment of the Arena complex is financed and paid for privately, solely by OVG and its partners, through a development and lease contract with the City of Seattle. The city of Seattle owns the arena. The Storm averages 7,000 to 8,000 per game and the Redhawks best season was 4,614. Seattle University should average 3,000 to 4,000 per game. Neither the Storm or the Redhawks are tearing it up at the gate, but they are both needed for the new arena.

That is a very old article. Over 2 years old. Someone mentioned a couple months ago that Seattle U's name was removed from the website of the new arena. Not sure if that is true or not. It is not a sure thing that SU will play in the new arena. But I agree that giving them a handful of dates for their schedule is a very simple task. Not a big deal at all.

They definitely plan on having Seattle at the Climate Pledge arena. Jim Hayford, back in 2018 discussing the move back on-campus, stated: "Yes, it it's a couple years without the home that we were used to, but a state-of-the-art arena is coming our way in the not-so-crazy distant future...Soon we're going to be recruiting to one of America's state-of-the-art arenas, which is a real positive."

I found a proposal to the Seattle city council and I was able to determine what the lease costs were. The Seattle Storm will be paying $7,500 annually in rent. The Redhawks will be paying $21,000 annually in rent. The Storm is estimated to have a paid attendance of 4,000 per game, 18 games, a total of 72,000 in estimated paid attendance. The Redhawks were estimated to have a paid attendance of 1,500 per game for 16 games, for a total of 24,000 in paid attendance annually. I think these are conservative numbers, but smart for budgetary purposes. It does not appear that the Redhawks will be able to keep any of the revenue from the games.

The Climate Pledge Arena is hoping to build the arena around an NHL team, an NBA team and the Seattle Storm. They are missing a big piece without the NBA and that does not look like it is going to happen anytime soon. So, the Redhawks are in a good position at this point in time for dates at the new arena.


RE: COVID19 is still here but so are workouts for WACBB20/21... - Lopes87 - 07-30-2020 10:40 PM

https://climatepledgearena.com/arena/music-and-sports

No where is Seattle U listed.


RE: COVID19 is still here but so are workouts for WACBB20/21... - NMSUPistolPete - 07-31-2020 02:40 AM

In all probability Seattle U. was get "some" access to the new Climate Pledge Arena (the Greenhouse). However, I have to believe the use of this revamped real estate will be more costly for Seattle U. And, the more valued dates will be given to the Seattle Kraken, Seattle Storm, and large drawing concerts and conventions. Which means, Seattle U will be vying for the remaining open dates. I could see the Greenhouse hosting a big basketball event which could include Seattle U as a host team just like how the Jerry Colangelo Classic is scheduled at Phoenix's Talking Stick Arena. GCU participates in the event yearly but there are also big name programs involved in this event. This season GCU will play San Francisco but also Gonzaga University will play Texas Tech University, Arizona State University will play Brigham Young University, and Northern Arizona University will play University of San Diego. As I have said, getting weekend dates for Seattle U basketball home games might be more difficult and more expensive now than before the renovation of the homeless KeyArena and the creation of the NHL Seattle Kraken. I will be surprised if Seattle U schedules more than 10 home dates at the Climate Pledge Arena yearly.


RE: COVID19 is still here but so are workouts for WACBB20/21... - PojoaquePosse - 07-31-2020 08:47 AM

(07-30-2020 02:45 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(07-28-2020 04:01 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(07-27-2020 03:54 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  https://www.sonicsrising.com/2018/3/5/17073814/local-partnerships-vital-new-seattle-arena-nhl-ovg-amazon

"OVG Seattle quickly formed relationships with the WNBA’s Seattle Storm and the Seattle University Redhawks basketball program to secure their home in the new arena."

Redevelopment of the Arena complex is financed and paid for privately, solely by OVG and its partners, through a development and lease contract with the City of Seattle. The city of Seattle owns the arena. The Storm averages 7,000 to 8,000 per game and the Redhawks best season was 4,614. Seattle University should average 3,000 to 4,000 per game. Neither the Storm or the Redhawks are tearing it up at the gate, but they are both needed for the new arena.

That is a very old article. Over 2 years old. Someone mentioned a couple months ago that Seattle U's name was removed from the website of the new arena. Not sure if that is true or not. It is not a sure thing that SU will play in the new arena. But I agree that giving them a handful of dates for their schedule is a very simple task. Not a big deal at all.

They definitely plan on having Seattle at the Climate Pledge arena. Jim Hayford, back in 2018 discussing the move back on-campus, stated: "Yes, it it's a couple years without the home that we were used to, but a state-of-the-art arena is coming our way in the not-so-crazy distant future...Soon we're going to be recruiting to one of America's state-of-the-art arenas, which is a real positive."

I found a proposal to the Seattle city council and I was able to determine what the lease costs were. The Seattle Storm will be paying $7,500 annually in rent. The Redhawks will be paying $21,000 annually in rent. The Storm is estimated to have a paid attendance of 4,000 per game, 18 games, a total of 72,000 in estimated paid attendance. The Redhawks were estimated to have a paid attendance of 1,500 per game for 16 games, for a total of 24,000 in paid attendance annually. I think these are conservative numbers, but smart for budgetary purposes. It does not appear that the Redhawks will be able to keep any of the revenue from the games.

The Climate Pledge Arena is hoping to build the arena around an NHL team, an NBA team and the Seattle Storm. They are missing a big piece without the NBA and that does not look like it is going to happen anytime soon. So, the Redhawks are in a good position at this point in time for dates at the new arena.

So a 2 year old article and now a 2 year old quote. Please provide your sources for the rent.


RE: COVID19 is still here but so are workouts for WACBB20/21... - NMSUPistolPete - 07-31-2020 09:18 PM













RE: COVID19 is still here but so are workouts for WACBB20/21... - SoCalBobcat78 - 08-01-2020 05:31 PM

(07-31-2020 02:40 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  In all probability Seattle U. was get "some" access to the new Climate Pledge Arena (the Greenhouse). However, I have to believe the use of this revamped real estate will be more costly for Seattle U. And, the more valued dates will be given to the Seattle Kraken, Seattle Storm, and large drawing concerts and conventions. Which means, Seattle U will be vying for the remaining open dates. I could see the Greenhouse hosting a big basketball event which could include Seattle U as a host team just like how the Jerry Colangelo Classic is scheduled at Phoenix's Talking Stick Arena. GCU participates in the event yearly but there are also big name programs involved in this event. This season GCU will play San Francisco but also Gonzaga University will play Texas Tech University, Arizona State University will play Brigham Young University, and Northern Arizona University will play University of San Diego. As I have said, getting weekend dates for Seattle U basketball home games might be more difficult and more expensive now than before the renovation of the homeless KeyArena and the creation of the NHL Seattle Kraken. I will be surprised if Seattle U schedules more than 10 home dates at the Climate Pledge Arena yearly.

The NHL regular season lasts from early October to early April, about 180 days. The Kraken will play 41 regular season home games. That leaves about 139 days for 16 home games for the Redhawks. The RedHawks will need the arena for four months from early November to early March. Around four games per month, so they actually have 120 dates for 16 games, minus Kraken games and concerts. The Kraken has the first month of the NHL season to themselves and the last month of the season to themselves. It will be easy to schedule both.

The Climate Pledge Arena has three anchor tenants: The Seattle Kraken, the Seattle Storm and Concerts. The Redhawks are considered a tenant, not an “anchor tenant.” The Storm will play an 18 game home schedule from May to August. The goal is to have 70-80 concerts in the arena annually. I think most of those would be in the spring to fall period. The Redhawks will have plenty of open dates in the new arena.

Also, the Staples Center will schedule two games in one day on the weekends, with a basketball game at about noon and either a hockey or basketball game at night. With all of the open dates at Climate Pledge Arena, that will likely never happen. If Seattle can somehow land an NBA team in the future, that could make scheduling of home games more challenging for the Redhawks. But for now the winter months are dominated by the Kraken and Redhawks.


RE: COVID19 is still here but so are workouts for WACBB20/21... - IWokeUpLikeThis - 08-01-2020 06:50 PM

The winter months will be dominated by the Kraken and concerts/events.

The arena manager likely isn’t prioritizing an SU game with 2000 attendees over a concert/event.

For arena management to schedule an event with ~2k attendance, they’re going to have to charge high rent to breakeven. And paying high rent + not keeping ancillary revenue will make it a money-losing proposition for SU when they’re only getting ticket revenue from 2k people.

The bar is higher to breakeven now, and the competition to book events is much higher with an effectively new arena.


RE: COVID19 is still here but so are workouts for WACBB20/21... - SoCalBobcat78 - 08-01-2020 08:48 PM

(08-01-2020 06:50 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  The winter months will be dominated by the Kraken and concerts/events.

The arena manager likely isn’t prioritizing an SU game with 2000 attendees over a concert/event.

For arena management to schedule an event with ~2k attendance, they’re going to have to charge high rent to breakeven. And paying high rent + not keeping ancillary revenue will make it a money-losing proposition for SU when they’re only getting ticket revenue from 2k people.

The bar is higher to breakeven now, and the competition to book events is much higher with an effectively new arena.

The Kraken will play, on average, seven home games per month. Concert tours, in general, are usually from March to November. Bands usually stop touring in the winter months due to the holidays and the weather. The Climate Pledge Arena will be a perfect fit in the winter for the Redhawks. There are not a lot of concerts from November to March and there is no NBA team.

https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/arena/irving-azoff-seattle-arena-top-5-in-the-world/281-edcbfec2-9d20-46d0-96a4-7b8700b22dab

Azoff said the current plan calls for 70-80 concerts a year at the new arena. That is on top of the already planned slate of NHL and WNBA games. Concerts are also extremely lucrative, as the Wall Street Journal was first to report, with profits from a concert doubling any typical NBA or NHL game.

But would those concert profits prohibit another tenant like a future NBA team? Azoff says no.

"There is plenty of room. Many buildings across America have room for both teams and music. Each team plays 41 nights a year plus playoffs. That's 90 days a year out of 365. We still got 270 nights to figure out 70-80 great shows,” Azoff explained.