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RE: MEAC Commissioner: The goal is a conference with 12 football-playing members - FloridaJag - 06-30-2020 06:24 PM
(06-30-2020 06:18 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:(06-30-2020 05:46 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: Wild idea that probably violates NCAA FCS rules:
A scheduling alliance between the 12 SWAC schools and the 6 MEAC FB schools
SWAC goes to 3 divisions:
West-PVAMU, Texas So, Southern, Grambling
Central-UAPB, Miss Valley St, Jackson St, Alcott St
East-Alabama A&M, Alabama St, FAMU, B-C
West champ plays Central Champ in NO
East champ plays MEAC Champ in ATL
Winners advance to HBCU Nat’l Championship/Celebration Bowl
At that point, why not have the MEAC drop football and its members become a division in the SWAC? Four division winners play in the semis, then the Celebration Bowl for the title. The MEAC could still theoretically exist as a non-football conference, though they'd have to come up with a way to meet the D1 sport-sponsorship requirements without football.
The conferences could have merge years ago. The problem is travel cost.
RE: MEAC Commissioner: The goal is a conference with 12 football-playing members - Cyniclone - 06-30-2020 06:34 PM
(06-30-2020 06:24 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:(06-30-2020 06:18 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:(06-30-2020 05:46 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: Wild idea that probably violates NCAA FCS rules:
A scheduling alliance between the 12 SWAC schools and the 6 MEAC FB schools
SWAC goes to 3 divisions:
West-PVAMU, Texas So, Southern, Grambling
Central-UAPB, Miss Valley St, Jackson St, Alcott St
East-Alabama A&M, Alabama St, FAMU, B-C
West champ plays Central Champ in NO
East champ plays MEAC Champ in ATL
Winners advance to HBCU Nat’l Championship/Celebration Bowl
At that point, why not have the MEAC drop football and its members become a division in the SWAC? Four division winners play in the semis, then the Celebration Bowl for the title. The MEAC could still theoretically exist as a non-football conference, though they'd have to come up with a way to meet the D1 sport-sponsorship requirements without football.
The conferences could have merge years ago. The problem is travel cost.
This would be for football only, which would mitigate the costs. It might be the only way the MEAC schools can stay in D1 if there's one more football departure. Plus the original plan is very similar; this just formalizes it.
RE: MEAC Commissioner: The goal is a conference with 12 football-playing members - Nerdlinger - 06-30-2020 06:41 PM
(06-30-2020 06:34 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:(06-30-2020 06:24 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:(06-30-2020 06:18 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:(06-30-2020 05:46 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: Wild idea that probably violates NCAA FCS rules:
A scheduling alliance between the 12 SWAC schools and the 6 MEAC FB schools
SWAC goes to 3 divisions:
West-PVAMU, Texas So, Southern, Grambling
Central-UAPB, Miss Valley St, Jackson St, Alcott St
East-Alabama A&M, Alabama St, FAMU, B-C
West champ plays Central Champ in NO
East champ plays MEAC Champ in ATL
Winners advance to HBCU Nat’l Championship/Celebration Bowl
At that point, why not have the MEAC drop football and its members become a division in the SWAC? Four division winners play in the semis, then the Celebration Bowl for the title. The MEAC could still theoretically exist as a non-football conference, though they'd have to come up with a way to meet the D1 sport-sponsorship requirements without football.
The conferences could have merge years ago. The problem is travel cost.
This would be for football only, which would mitigate the costs. It might be the only way the MEAC schools can stay in D1 if there's one more football departure. Plus the original plan is very similar; this just formalizes it.
Except you're correct in pointing out that the MEAC's survival as multisport conference hinges on retaining 6 FB members right now. They could certainly use a big donation that would let them 6 of them start up a new men's team sport.
RE: MEAC Commissioner: The goal is a conference with 12 football-playing members - BruceMcF - 06-30-2020 07:05 PM
(06-30-2020 06:18 PM)Cyniclone Wrote: At that point, why not have the MEAC drop football and its members become a division in the SWAC?Because Football is it's qualifying team sport.
Quote: Four division winners play in the semis, then the Celebration Bowl for the title. The MEAC could still theoretically exist as a non-football conference, though they'd have to come up with a way to meet the D1 sport-sponsorship requirements without football.
To have four division winners play in semis, and then the Celebration Bowl for the title, the SWAC "eastern third" division have to be MEAC affiliates, so that the MEAC can have a CCG.
There's no rule against being affiliates of another conference in a sport your conference sponsors, it's just not done because it's normally not in anybody's interest. But if it was necessary to keep the Celebration Bowl alive, who knows if the MEAC would agree to be foster-parent for the SWAC-East.
The "scheduling alliance" would be the MEAC schedules the "MEAC South" games based on the conference schedule the SWAC lines up, and they run their own MEAC North conference schedule.
That would on paper give them 10 FCS FB members, well over the six limit.
RE: MEAC Commissioner: The goal is a conference with 12 football-playing members - IWokeUpLikeThis - 06-30-2020 07:10 PM
(06-30-2020 01:09 PM)AZcats Wrote: The first 7.5 minutes of this video linked below is about CIAA-MEAC alignment. Key points of information brought up is; although D2 allows 36 football scholarships Bowie State offers only 12 and Virginia State offers 24, Virginia State's athletic budget of about $4M would have to be doubled just to be at the bottom of MEAC budgets, officials from both BSU and VSU were asked about D1 and neither was interested, and there is the issue of the $1.6M fee to join the MEAC. Not mentioned but Bowie State does not have 14 sports.
VIDEO: Expansion is hot topic for MEAC and CIAA, and the full article here.
The person being interviewed played football at WSSU during the time of their attempted transition to the MEAC and is also the one who wrote this article, Did WSSU’s failed DI attempt spark mass MEAC exodus?.
HBCU Gameday released another video today too. Very critical of Commissioner Dennis Thomas. Tolly Carr destroys him at 12:50 “When you look at Friday’s press conference, it was ironic and symbolic that you had Dr Thomas in a conference room full of empty chairs. And he was at the front of the table not the head of the table.”
RE: MEAC Commissioner: The goal is a conference with 12 football-playing members - Nerdlinger - 06-30-2020 07:11 PM
I wonder if Monmouth and/or Robert Morris would be "kind" enough to switch over to the MEAC for FB only if the MEAC needed it. Neither school really seems to care much about their FB program, and they'd get shorter travel with the MEAC.
RE: MEAC Commissioner: The goal is a conference with 12 football-playing members - IWokeUpLikeThis - 06-30-2020 07:25 PM
(06-30-2020 07:10 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:(06-30-2020 01:09 PM)AZcats Wrote: The first 7.5 minutes of this video linked below is about CIAA-MEAC alignment. Key points of information brought up is; although D2 allows 36 football scholarships Bowie State offers only 12 and Virginia State offers 24, Virginia State's athletic budget of about $4M would have to be doubled just to be at the bottom of MEAC budgets, officials from both BSU and VSU were asked about D1 and neither was interested, and there is the issue of the $1.6M fee to join the MEAC. Not mentioned but Bowie State does not have 14 sports.
VIDEO: Expansion is hot topic for MEAC and CIAA, and the full article here.
The person being interviewed played football at WSSU during the time of their attempted transition to the MEAC and is also the one who wrote this article, Did WSSU’s failed DI attempt spark mass MEAC exodus?.
HBCU Gameday released another video today too. Very critical of Commissioner Dennis Thomas. Tolly Carr destroys him at 12:50 “When you look at Friday’s press conference, it was ironic and symbolic that you had Dr Thomas in a conference room full of empty chairs. And he was at the front of the table not the head of the table.”
They’re also very impressed with Howard President’s athletics knowledge. Same stuff we wrote here.
RE: MEAC Commissioner: The goal is a conference with 12 football-playing members - Michael in Raleigh - 07-01-2020 09:05 AM
With Delaware State apparently not moving out of the MEAC but Virginia State not moving in, what does everyone think happens next?
RE: MEAC Commissioner: The goal is a conference with 12 football-playing members - IWokeUpLikeThis - 07-01-2020 09:08 AM
(07-01-2020 09:05 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote: With Delaware State apparently not moving out of the MEAC but Virginia State not moving in, what does everyone think happens next?
It blows up again next summer.
RE: MEAC Commissioner: The goal is a conference with 12 football-playing members - solohawks - 07-01-2020 09:09 AM
(07-01-2020 09:05 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote: With Delaware State apparently not moving out of the MEAC but Virginia State not moving in, what does everyone think happens next?
The ASun commish is a bit of a mad scientist.
In his interview with HBCU gameday he indicated that while the UAC idea was dead there were alternative plans. I think the next move will be from the ASun
RE: MEAC Commissioner: The goal is a conference with 12 football-playing members - Fighting Muskie - 07-01-2020 10:21 AM
I don’t see the ASUN coming in to wreck the the MEAC but I think their commissioner is willing to toss a life preserver to a few members of someone else does or if the MEAC internally comes to the conclusion they need to dissolve.
RE: MEAC Commissioner: The goal is a conference with 12 football-playing members - solohawks - 07-01-2020 02:57 PM
(07-01-2020 10:21 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: I don’t see the ASUN coming in to wreck the the MEAC but I think their commissioner is willing to toss a life preserver to a few members of someone else does or if the MEAC internally comes to the conclusion they need to dissolve.
I dont either. I think he will work with the MEAC to preserve it while simultaneously using it to accomplish is UAC goals.
RE: MEAC Commissioner: The goal is a conference with 12 football-playing members - DavidSt - 07-01-2020 05:04 PM
Schools not likely to move to D1 and could close down in the next few years. Remember, I said could, not will.
Livingstone College HBCU
St. Augustine's HBCU in debt
Shaw University HBCU
Barton
Belmont Abby
Chowan
Emmannuel
Lees-McRae
Southern Wesleyan
Alderson Broaddus
Cedarville
Kentucky Wesleyan
Lake Erie College
Malone
Ohio Dominican
Ohio Valley
Tiffin
Trevecca Nazarene
Walsh
Lee
Montevallo
Elizabeth City State
Shorter
West Alabama
Concord
Davis and Elkins
Glennville State
Notre Dame Ohio
Wheeling
Mansfield
Mercyhurst
Seton Hill
Anderson College
Coker
Newberry
Tusculum
Benedict HBCU
Lane HBCU
Lemoyne-Owen HBCU
Miles HBCU
Paine HBCU
Spring Hill HBCU
Edward Waters HBCU
Allen U. HBCU
In better position to move up.
Fayetteville State
Johnson C. Smith
Virginia State
Virginia Union (needs to build up the student body, but their endowment is not bad)
Winston-Salem State
Bowie State
Claflin
Converse (just went co-ed)
Erskine
King, Tenn.
Limestone
Mount Olive
North Greenville
Francis Marion
UNC-Pembroke
Indianapolis
Lindenwood
Maryville
UMSL
Southern Indiana
Findlay
Ursuline (need to go co-ed)
Ashland
UAH
Auburn-Montgomery
Christian Brothers
Delta State'
Miss. College
Union, Tenn.
Valdosta State
West Florida
West Georgia
Charleston
Fairmont State
Frostburg State
West Liberty
West Virginia State
West Virginia Wesleyan
Augusta
Clayton State
Columbus State
Flagler
Georgia College and State University
Georgia Southwestern
Lander
North Georgia
USC-Aiken
Young Harris
Several more Penn. State schools are better off then others.
The public schools may not close, but they could merge.
If you are on the west coast conferences? Which schools would you want to invite if you are ASUN, MEAC, Horizon and others?
RE: MEAC Commissioner: The goal is a conference with 12 football-playing members - whittx - 07-01-2020 05:14 PM
(07-01-2020 05:04 PM)DavidSt Wrote: Schools not likely to move to D1 and could close down in the next few years. Remember, I said could, not will.
Livingstone College HBCU
St. Augustine's HBCU in debt
Shaw University HBCU
Barton
Belmont Abby
Chowan
Emmannuel
Lees-McRae
Southern Wesleyan
Alderson Broaddus
Cedarville
Kentucky Wesleyan
Lake Erie College
Malone
Ohio Dominican
Ohio Valley
Tiffin
Trevecca Nazarene
Walsh
Lee
Montevallo
Elizabeth City State
Shorter
West Alabama
Concord
Davis and Elkins
Glennville State
Notre Dame Ohio
Wheeling
Mansfield
Mercyhurst
Seton Hill
Anderson College
Coker
Newberry
Tusculum
Benedict HBCU
Lane HBCU
Lemoyne-Owen HBCU
Miles HBCU
Paine HBCU
Spring Hill HBCU
Edward Waters HBCU
Allen U. HBCU
In better position to move up.
Fayetteville State
Johnson C. Smith
Virginia State
Virginia Union (needs to build up the student body, but their endowment is not bad)
Winston-Salem State
Bowie State
Claflin
Converse (just went co-ed)
Erskine
King, Tenn.
Limestone
Mount Olive
North Greenville
Francis Marion
UNC-Pembroke
Indianapolis
Lindenwood
Maryville
UMSL
Southern Indiana
Findlay
Ursuline (need to go co-ed)
Ashland
UAH
Auburn-Montgomery
Christian Brothers
Delta State'
Miss. College
Union, Tenn.
Valdosta State
West Florida
West Georgia
Charleston
Fairmont State
Frostburg State
West Liberty
West Virginia State
West Virginia Wesleyan
Augusta
Clayton State
Columbus State
Flagler
Georgia College and State University
Georgia Southwestern
Lander
North Georgia
USC-Aiken
Young Harris
Several more Penn. State schools are better off then others.
The public schools may not close, but they could merge.
If you are on the west coast conferences? Which schools would you want to invite if you are ASUN, MEAC, Horizon and others?
If the NEC were willing to accept a second public college, they might consider Shepherd. You give Mount St. Mary's a logical travel partner since it's only an hour or so to Emmittsburg.
RE: MEAC Commissioner: The goal is a conference with 12 football-playing members - DoubleRSU - 07-01-2020 05:50 PM
An all-women school is in a better position to move up? You’re officially just someone who doesn’t know jack. Go take your meds. Ursuline will never be D1!!!!!
RE: MEAC Commissioner: The goal is a conference with 12 football-playing members - AZcats - 07-01-2020 06:06 PM
And the useless off-topic long lists have returned.
David, you would be wise to take your own advice that you gave to NoDak.
(06-08-2020 11:42 PM)DavidSt Wrote: Nobody wants to hear your nonsense, so go away.
RE: MEAC Commissioner: The goal is a conference with 12 football-playing members - KingSean - 07-01-2020 06:22 PM
(07-01-2020 05:14 PM)whittx Wrote:(07-01-2020 05:04 PM)DavidSt Wrote: Schools not likely to move to D1 and could close down in the next few years. Remember, I said could, not will.
Livingstone College HBCU
St. Augustine's HBCU in debt
Shaw University HBCU
Barton
Belmont Abby
Chowan
Emmannuel
Lees-McRae
Southern Wesleyan
Alderson Broaddus
Cedarville
Kentucky Wesleyan
Lake Erie College
Malone
Ohio Dominican
Ohio Valley
Tiffin
Trevecca Nazarene
Walsh
Lee
Montevallo
Elizabeth City State
Shorter
West Alabama
Concord
Davis and Elkins
Glennville State
Notre Dame Ohio
Wheeling
Mansfield
Mercyhurst
Seton Hill
Anderson College
Coker
Newberry
Tusculum
Benedict HBCU
Lane HBCU
Lemoyne-Owen HBCU
Miles HBCU
Paine HBCU
Spring Hill HBCU
Edward Waters HBCU
Allen U. HBCU
In better position to move up.
Fayetteville State
Johnson C. Smith
Virginia State
Virginia Union (needs to build up the student body, but their endowment is not bad)
Winston-Salem State
Bowie State
Claflin
Converse (just went co-ed)
Erskine
King, Tenn.
Limestone
Mount Olive
North Greenville
Francis Marion
UNC-Pembroke
Indianapolis
Lindenwood
Maryville
UMSL
Southern Indiana
Findlay
Ursuline (need to go co-ed)
Ashland
UAH
Auburn-Montgomery
Christian Brothers
Delta State'
Miss. College
Union, Tenn.
Valdosta State
West Florida
West Georgia
Charleston
Fairmont State
Frostburg State
West Liberty
West Virginia State
West Virginia Wesleyan
Augusta
Clayton State
Columbus State
Flagler
Georgia College and State University
Georgia Southwestern
Lander
North Georgia
USC-Aiken
Young Harris
Several more Penn. State schools are better off then others.
The public schools may not close, but they could merge.
If you are on the west coast conferences? Which schools would you want to invite if you are ASUN, MEAC, Horizon and others?
If the NEC were willing to accept a second public college, they might consider Shepherd. You give Mount St. Mary's a logical travel partner since it's only an hour or so to Emmittsburg.
Some of those schools like Valdosta state, lindenwood, southern Indiana should have gone D1
RE: MEAC Commissioner: The goal is a conference with 12 football-playing members - Fighting Muskie - 07-01-2020 08:35 PM
For what it’s worth, Ursuline is co-ed, they just don’t offer men’s sports.
They don’t have a prayer of ever being anything more than D2.
IMHO all of the D2 schools in Ohio but Central St belong in D3.
RE: MEAC Commissioner: The goal is a conference with 12 football-playing members - Fighting Muskie - 07-01-2020 08:37 PM
Mt St Mary’s and UMBC would do nothing to help the MEAC’s cause. They need football schools—at least 2, preferably 3 to prop up the conference.
RE: MEAC Commissioner: The goal is a conference with 12 football-playing members - BruceMcF - 07-01-2020 09:41 PM
(07-01-2020 08:35 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: For what it’s worth, Ursuline is co-ed, they just don’t offer men’s sports.
They don’t have a prayer of ever being anything more than D2.
IMHO all of the D2 schools in Ohio but Central St belong in D3.
Damn straight they do, Hiram needs a better selection of opponents, they can't beat the ones they have available.