(10-02-2020 10:24 AM)jmufbs Wrote:  

(10-02-2020 08:51 AM)JMUsince89 Wrote:  

(09-29-2020 03:53 PM)Potomac Wrote:  FWIW, I read an article the other day that attempted to catalogue all the FBS level capacity restrictions and it seemed that nationwide, 25% appears to be the maximum. Obviously some are going lower. 20%-15%. Some are saying no fans for at least the first month or two. Some have said no fans all season.

UVA and Tech are both no fans except family of players only, capped at a max of 1k people.

That gives us a ball park idea if JMU did go through with it.

Ralph has limited crowds to 250 people how do you put a 25% capacity in that one. Do State owned university's just get to make their own rules up?

Further to this line of thought - Yes RALPH has decided the magic maximum number for gatherings in VA, and he alone will be the only one to change that.
JMU / VPI and UVA all must abide by his order unless they can get an exception approved. Perhaps we can hold a protest on saturdays at BFS this spring :)
If he is still dug in on this cap in the spring, how do any CAA schools justify the expense of playing with no ticket/ tv or concession revenue ?
State mandates on attendence kill the CAA schools (mostly JMU) - ACC schools have TV revenue.
just my opinion, but i see this spring football season as far from a guarantee.

(10-02-2020 02:40 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  I agree. That flat number may have thought behind it, but I question the logic for highly controlled outdoor stadium scenarios.

(10-02-2020 02:46 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(10-02-2020 02:40 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  I agree. That flat number may have thought behind it, but I question the logic for highly controlled outdoor stadium scenarios.

There's a long time between now and spring football. The ultimate # or percentage will be based on how the next 3-5 months go.

(10-02-2020 02:03 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(10-02-2020 10:24 AM)jmufbs Wrote:  

(10-02-2020 08:51 AM)JMUsince89 Wrote:  

(09-29-2020 03:53 PM)Potomac Wrote:  FWIW, I read an article the other day that attempted to catalogue all the FBS level capacity restrictions and it seemed that nationwide, 25% appears to be the maximum. Obviously some are going lower. 20%-15%. Some are saying no fans for at least the first month or two. Some have said no fans all season.

UVA and Tech are both no fans except family of players only, capped at a max of 1k people.

That gives us a ball park idea if JMU did go through with it.

Ralph has limited crowds to 250 people how do you put a 25% capacity in that one. Do State owned university's just get to make their own rules up?

Further to this line of thought - Yes RALPH has decided the magic maximum number for gatherings in VA, and he alone will be the only one to change that.
JMU / VPI and UVA all must abide by his order unless they can get an exception approved. Perhaps we can hold a protest on saturdays at BFS this spring :)
If he is still dug in on this cap in the spring, how do any CAA schools justify the expense of playing with no ticket/ tv or concession revenue ?
State mandates on attendence kill the CAA schools (mostly JMU) - ACC schools have TV revenue.
just my opinion, but i see this spring football season as far from a guarantee.

The 250 # makes zero sense. You mean you could have 250 people in a say 1k seat stadium, but couldn't have even have 5k or even 1k people in a 25k (or 60-70k for that matter) stadium?

Its shouldn't be a set #. It should be a set %, like 20%, 30%, whatever.

(10-02-2020 07:16 PM)lingerba Wrote:  

(10-02-2020 02:03 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(10-02-2020 10:24 AM)jmufbs Wrote:  

(10-02-2020 08:51 AM)JMUsince89 Wrote:  

(09-29-2020 03:53 PM)Potomac Wrote:  FWIW, I read an article the other day that attempted to catalogue all the FBS level capacity restrictions and it seemed that nationwide, 25% appears to be the maximum. Obviously some are going lower. 20%-15%. Some are saying no fans for at least the first month or two. Some have said no fans all season.

UVA and Tech are both no fans except family of players only, capped at a max of 1k people.

That gives us a ball park idea if JMU did go through with it.

Ralph has limited crowds to 250 people how do you put a 25% capacity in that one. Do State owned university's just get to make their own rules up?

Further to this line of thought - Yes RALPH has decided the magic maximum number for gatherings in VA, and he alone will be the only one to change that.
JMU / VPI and UVA all must abide by his order unless they can get an exception approved. Perhaps we can hold a protest on saturdays at BFS this spring :)
If he is still dug in on this cap in the spring, how do any CAA schools justify the expense of playing with no ticket/ tv or concession revenue ?
State mandates on attendence kill the CAA schools (mostly JMU) - ACC schools have TV revenue.
just my opinion, but i see this spring football season as far from a guarantee.

The 250 # makes zero sense. You mean you could have 250 people in a say 1k seat stadium, but couldn't have even have 5k or even 1k people in a 25k (or 60-70k for that matter) stadium?

Its shouldn't be a set #. It should be a set %, like 20%, 30%, whatever.

I completely agree that it should be a percentage of capacity. The other thing to keep in mind is that right now the City of Harrisonburg has a tighter restriction of 50 people in one location. I am sure they would modify this if/when we can have some live sports, but for right now that's the number.

(10-03-2020 07:05 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(10-02-2020 07:16 PM)lingerba Wrote:  

(10-02-2020 02:03 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(10-02-2020 10:24 AM)jmufbs Wrote:  

(10-02-2020 08:51 AM)JMUsince89 Wrote:  Ralph has limited crowds to 250 people how do you put a 25% capacity in that one. Do State owned university's just get to make their own rules up?

Further to this line of thought - Yes RALPH has decided the magic maximum number for gatherings in VA, and he alone will be the only one to change that.
JMU / VPI and UVA all must abide by his order unless they can get an exception approved. Perhaps we can hold a protest on saturdays at BFS this spring :)
If he is still dug in on this cap in the spring, how do any CAA schools justify the expense of playing with no ticket/ tv or concession revenue ?
State mandates on attendence kill the CAA schools (mostly JMU) - ACC schools have TV revenue.
just my opinion, but i see this spring football season as far from a guarantee.

The 250 # makes zero sense. You mean you could have 250 people in a say 1k seat stadium, but couldn't have even have 5k or even 1k people in a 25k (or 60-70k for that matter) stadium?

Its shouldn't be a set #. It should be a set %, like 20%, 30%, whatever.

I completely agree that it should be a percentage of capacity. The other thing to keep in mind is that right now the City of Harrisonburg has a tighter restriction of 50 people in one location. I am sure they would modify this if/when we can have some live sports, but for right now that's the number.

While I'm pretty sure JMU would coordinate with the city on this, I have a technical question/curiousity:

Does JMU pay city taxes and act as part of its official jurisdiction? Wondering since I believe JMU has its own Zip Code, Telephone company, Police force, etc. I'm not clear if large state colleges are their own town/jurisdiction or considered a part of the city. Can the city mandate rules for what occurs on campus? Not just for covid, but in general. Don't recall H'Burg police ever on campus to enforce city rules, and not clear if JMU police enforce city rules or just state ones.

(10-03-2020 08:16 AM)JMaddy Wrote:  

(10-03-2020 07:05 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(10-02-2020 07:16 PM)lingerba Wrote:  

(10-02-2020 02:03 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(10-02-2020 10:24 AM)jmufbs Wrote:  Further to this line of thought - Yes RALPH has decided the magic maximum number for gatherings in VA, and he alone will be the only one to change that.
JMU / VPI and UVA all must abide by his order unless they can get an exception approved. Perhaps we can hold a protest on saturdays at BFS this spring :)
If he is still dug in on this cap in the spring, how do any CAA schools justify the expense of playing with no ticket/ tv or concession revenue ?
State mandates on attendence kill the CAA schools (mostly JMU) - ACC schools have TV revenue.
just my opinion, but i see this spring football season as far from a guarantee.

The 250 # makes zero sense. You mean you could have 250 people in a say 1k seat stadium, but couldn't have even have 5k or even 1k people in a 25k (or 60-70k for that matter) stadium?

Its shouldn't be a set #. It should be a set %, like 20%, 30%, whatever.

I completely agree that it should be a percentage of capacity. The other thing to keep in mind is that right now the City of Harrisonburg has a tighter restriction of 50 people in one location. I am sure they would modify this if/when we can have some live sports, but for right now that's the number.

While I'm pretty sure JMU would coordinate with the city on this, I have a technical question/curiousity:

Does JMU pay city taxes and act as part of its official jurisdiction? Wondering since I believe JMU has its own Zip Code, Telephone company, Police force, etc. I'm not clear if large state colleges are their own town/jurisdiction or considered a part of the city. Can the city mandate rules for what occurs on campus? Not just for covid, but in general. Don't recall H'Burg police ever on campus to enforce city rules, and not clear if JMU police enforce city rules or just state ones.

I think JMU is like the Vacatin City in Rome. While physically located inside Harrisonburg it is its own jurisdiction.

(10-03-2020 03:07 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(10-03-2020 08:16 AM)JMaddy Wrote:  

(10-03-2020 07:05 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(10-02-2020 07:16 PM)lingerba Wrote:  

(10-02-2020 02:03 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  The 250 # makes zero sense. You mean you could have 250 people in a say 1k seat stadium, but couldn't have even have 5k or even 1k people in a 25k (or 60-70k for that matter) stadium?

Its shouldn't be a set #. It should be a set %, like 20%, 30%, whatever.

I completely agree that it should be a percentage of capacity. The other thing to keep in mind is that right now the City of Harrisonburg has a tighter restriction of 50 people in one location. I am sure they would modify this if/when we can have some live sports, but for right now that's the number.

While I'm pretty sure JMU would coordinate with the city on this, I have a technical question/curiousity:

Does JMU pay city taxes and act as part of its official jurisdiction? Wondering since I believe JMU has its own Zip Code, Telephone company, Police force, etc. I'm not clear if large state colleges are their own town/jurisdiction or considered a part of the city. Can the city mandate rules for what occurs on campus? Not just for covid, but in general. Don't recall H'Burg police ever on campus to enforce city rules, and not clear if JMU police enforce city rules or just state ones.

I think JMU is like the Vacatin City in Rome. While physically located inside Harrisonburg it is its own jurisdiction.

This is interesting conversation

(10-05-2020 10:09 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  Jeff Goodman @GoodmanHoops

Sources: Men’s basketball oversight committee set to meet today. Among the topics:

- Whether basketball players/winter sports should receive an additional season of competition.

- Whether to change parameters of 27-game limit. Right now have to play in an MTE to get to 27.

(10-07-2020 10:18 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  MH with a great chin diaper look, although I think he prefers it as a scarf.

(10-02-2020 08:51 AM)JMUsince89 Wrote:  Ralph has limited crowds to 250 people how do you put a 25% capacity in that one. Do State owned university's just get to make their own rules up?

(10-09-2020 12:48 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  Suspect part of the problem is they are trying to come up with universal rules for gathering sizes in different phases, regardless of the venue/event.

They likely don’t want 10,000 for instance showing up for a concert right now, how would you really ensure spacing? And an outdoor location could claim they have capacity for 50,000 or more, but everyone would crowd toward the stage.

Football stadiums aren’t quite the same though, especially those designed to handle very large crowds. 10,000 at a 50,000 capacity stadium is a lot more spaced out than the same crowd at a concert.

(10-09-2020 02:05 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(10-09-2020 12:48 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  Suspect part of the problem is they are trying to come up with universal rules for gathering sizes in different phases, regardless of the venue/event.

They likely don’t want 10,000 for instance showing up for a concert right now, how would you really ensure spacing? And an outdoor location could claim they have capacity for 50,000 or more, but everyone would crowd toward the stage.

Football stadiums aren’t quite the same though, especially those designed to handle very large crowds. 10,000 at a 50,000 capacity stadium is a lot more spaced out than the same crowd at a concert.

Right on the money and that is the problem with everything out of Northam since March.....he wants a one size fits all approach for any locality in the state vs letting localities make decisions that make sense for their situation.

For example why in the hell would Martinsville Speedway even bother with the hassle for allow 1,000 fans.....makes no sense in an 80,000 seat speedway.

(10-09-2020 12:48 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  Suspect part of the problem is they are trying to come up with universal rules for gathering sizes in different phases, regardless of the venue/event.

They likely don’t want 10,000 for instance showing up for a concert right now, how would you really ensure spacing? And an outdoor location could claim they have capacity for 50,000 or more, but everyone would crowd toward the stage.

Football stadiums aren’t quite the same though, especially those designed to handle very large crowds. 10,000 at a 50,000 capacity stadium is a lot more spaced out than the same crowd at a concert.