(08-14-2020 06:12 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  Some HS FB updates..

*North Carolina became the 14th state (as well as Washington DC) this week to suspend fall sports until the winter or spring

*Many counties and school districts in the state of Georgia are suspending HS FB indefinitely. Most notable in recent days include Fulton County (Atlanta) and Bibb County (Macon).

*The state of Florida votes on its fate for HS FB today. Proposals go from starting on Sep. 4 to starting Dec. 11. The state's medical advisory committee strong recommended they delay the start to the season at least 3 to 4 weeks AFTER school starts back.

*The first HS FB games to kickoff in America are TONIGHT in Utah. Alabama and Tennessee are slated to start a week from today.

(08-17-2020 05:28 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  Big 10+4 taking a lot of heat for dropping FB. Certainly, this doesn't help...

Adam Rittenberg @ESPNRittenberg

#PennState AD Sandy Barbour on #B1G decision: "It is unclear to me whether or not there was a vote. No one’s ever told me there was. I just don’t know whether there actually was a vote by the chancellors and presidents."

Wow.

(08-17-2020 06:11 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  The sad side of all this to me is (knowing JMU students and the general mindset of 18-21 year olds), what happened at UNCC is almost inevitable.

(08-17-2020 06:11 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  Speaking of other developments, after only 1 week of on-campus classes, UNC-Chapel Hill has gone to “online only” instruction.

(08-17-2020 08:57 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(08-17-2020 06:11 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  Speaking of other developments, after only 1 week of on-campus classes, UNC-Chapel Hill has gone to “online only” instruction.

So they are effectively shutting down campus, but still plan to go forward with football games?

If so, wow ...

I'd be interested to hear how UVA fares, from what I heard they had fairly extensive plans in place with students being required to sign contracts on behavior, masks, etc. Some there felt it was almost unthinkable to shut down campus due to financial impacts and job losses that would result.

(08-18-2020 08:42 AM)Dukester Wrote:  Most colleges have not yet reported. It will be interesting to see how many go to/convert to online after schools re-open. I don't see how the college student environment won't be super spread situations. As I said earlier - I know DJ will get it when he goes back, but just hope he's not one of the rare cases that produces lasting issues or worse.

Here's the big picture upcoming event to keep an eye on.

1) Colleges re-opening (Major)

2) Live Grade School classes (Medium)

3) October/November when everyone has a cough (Major)
- Will Covid pickup speed, or will it not be as bad since so many have likely had it?
- People will go nutz with everyone coughing
- "most" will display covid symptoms. You think everyone will self quarantine?

The more cases, hospitalizations, and deaths decline, the quicker things can get back to what we want.

(08-18-2020 08:45 AM)DukeDogNation Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 08:42 AM)Dukester Wrote:  Most colleges have not yet reported. It will be interesting to see how many go to/convert to online after schools re-open. I don't see how the college student environment won't be super spread situations. As I said earlier - I know DJ will get it when he goes back, but just hope he's not one of the rare cases that produces lasting issues or worse.

Here's the big picture upcoming event to keep an eye on.

1) Colleges re-opening (Major)

2) Live Grade School classes (Medium)

3) October/November when everyone has a cough (Major)
- Will Covid pickup speed, or will it not be as bad since so many have likely had it?
- People will go nutz with everyone coughing
- "most" will display covid symptoms. You think everyone will self quarantine?

The more cases, hospitalizations, and deaths decline, the quicker things can get back to what we want.

I also hope DJ doesn't spread it to anyone in the community who will be affected by it. As a resident, I'm also worried about the impact on grocery stores, retail, and restaurants, especially if a lock down happens again and there's a run on the grocery store.

I'm curious why live grade school classes get a medium.

(08-18-2020 09:02 AM)Dukester Wrote:  Many grade schools are opening in the virtual environment. Also grade school kids are under the guidance of school guide lines at school, and when home staying away from groups. Obviously some states really value kids right not to wear masks more than other states.

(08-18-2020 09:28 AM)DukeDogNation Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 09:02 AM)Dukester Wrote:  Many grade schools are opening in the virtual environment. Also grade school kids are under the guidance of school guide lines at school, and when home staying away from groups. Obviously some states really value kids right not to wear masks more than other states.

I was just curious as to your thinking.

As someone who's been in the building for these K-12 conversations, I can tell you first hand that many districts who are planning to open physically are not prepared for what will happen. Quite frankly, it doesn't seem like UNC was prepared for what would happen or at least had delusions about how it would play out.

A good case can be made for in-person education for PK-1/2, but after that you start to get into an increased risk of household spread. As I mentioned in a previous post it's very likely that we'll see universities and K-12 schools becoming engines for increased community spread in their communities. I'm very worried about the first, second, and third order effects on Harrisonburg with JMU students coming back. Hopefully the administration can keep as best of a handle on it as they can.

(08-18-2020 11:03 AM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  i'll hazard an answer to your question about limited talk of this....if 25-100M people already had covid, then it's just not that deadly overall - those people are walking around and mostly doing just fine if that many people have it. we don't see folks randomly dropping out on the street because they have asymptomatic covid. IF that many people have it, then it would confirm that this is mostly (not completely) a disease (like the flu) that is contagious and really risky for the elderly and those with comorbidities (obesity, diabetes, cancer, etc); conversely, we'd know that having it at those numbers and people not dying all over the place means a) it's not that deadly for healthy people and / or b) we already have reached an early version of herd immunity

(08-18-2020 12:17 PM)AllForDukes Wrote:  On the mask issue. We have been told the mask doesn't protect you, but that it protects everybody from you. As these masks are not one way devices the previous statement makes no sense. If it can protect everyone else from me, then it must be able to protect me. Conversely, if it doesn't protect me how can it protect everyone from me. The real reason for this argument is to motivate people to wear a mask "for everyone else's benefit" because they think too many will be willing to risk it themselves but not for someone else. Same reason they used to tell you to squeeze the air out of a 2 liter soda bottle to keep the soda from going flat. The air (or lack thereof) doesn't keep the soda fizzy, putting the top on tight does. The squeeze the air out mantra was to get you to put the top on tight. JMHO

(08-18-2020 12:17 PM)AllForDukes Wrote:  On the mask issue. We have been told the mask doesn't protect you, but that it protects everybody from you. As these masks are not one way devices the previous statement makes no sense. If it can protect everyone else from me, then it must be able to protect me. Conversely, if it doesn't protect me how can it protect everyone from me. The real reason for this argument is to motivate people to wear a mask "for everyone else's benefit" because they think too many will be willing to risk it themselves but not for someone else. Same reason they used to tell you to squeeze the air out of a 2 liter soda bottle to keep the soda from going flat. The air (or lack thereof) doesn't keep the soda fizzy, putting the top on tight does. The squeeze the air out mantra was to get you to put the top on tight. JMHO

(08-18-2020 12:30 PM)jmufbs Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 12:17 PM)AllForDukes Wrote:  On the mask issue. We have been told the mask doesn't protect you, but that it protects everybody from you. As these masks are not one way devices the previous statement makes no sense. If it can protect everyone else from me, then it must be able to protect me. Conversely, if it doesn't protect me how can it protect everyone from me. The real reason for this argument is to motivate people to wear a mask "for everyone else's benefit" because they think too many will be willing to risk it themselves but not for someone else. Same reason they used to tell you to squeeze the air out of a 2 liter soda bottle to keep the soda from going flat. The air (or lack thereof) doesn't keep the soda fizzy, putting the top on tight does. The squeeze the air out mantra was to get you to put the top on tight. JMHO

the real question revolves around asymptomatic spread. the jury is out on how much of that occurs. The masks do not protect the eyes, where the virus finds its way in just as much as the mouth / nose . you can't cough the virus out of your eyes, so the mask prevents the outflow of the virus from coughing / sneezing, but not the intake through the eyes.
the reality is that if we find out over time that asymptomatic spread is minimal, then in theory the masks will have been much less useful to prevent spread- as those who are sick , with symptoms , should in theory be staying home.
all we have now are best guesses, and you can be sure that will be different from the final studies.

(08-18-2020 01:05 PM)Dukester Wrote:  FBS - please read my post above yours. The primary benefit of masks is to prevent those that have the virus from spreading it.

If you really want to protect yourself - use a plastic shield, not a mask.

Quote: A face shield is primarily used for eye protection for the person wearing it. At this time, it is not known what level of protection a face shield provides to people nearby from the spray of respiratory droplets from the wearer. There is currently not enough evidence to support the effectiveness of face shields for source control. Therefore, CDC does not currently recommend use of face shields as a substitute for masks.