(07-21-2020 06:31 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(07-21-2020 12:13 AM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(05-18-2020 04:08 PM)Purple Wrote:  No one is going to change anyone else's political opinion on this board. Let's stay in our lane, folks. Just let the politics go. There are plenty of sites for that.

(06-09-2020 10:21 PM)Purple Wrote:  I am absolutely done with this nonsense. Back to Duuuuuuukes sports for me.

(07-20-2020 10:25 PM)Purple Wrote:  You're right, but that doesn't matter to those who are praying for more pandemic hysteria. They seem to thrive on it. Interesting.

Come on man. You don’t like Purple we get it. He has toned down things a lot and so have you. Don’t fan the flames brother.

Let’s keep talking JMU sports.

(07-21-2020 07:56 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(07-21-2020 06:31 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(07-21-2020 12:13 AM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(05-18-2020 04:08 PM)Purple Wrote:  No one is going to change anyone else's political opinion on this board. Let's stay in our lane, folks. Just let the politics go. There are plenty of sites for that.

(06-09-2020 10:21 PM)Purple Wrote:  I am absolutely done with this nonsense. Back to Duuuuuuukes sports for me.

(07-20-2020 10:25 PM)Purple Wrote:  You're right, but that doesn't matter to those who are praying for more pandemic hysteria. They seem to thrive on it. Interesting.

Come on man. You don’t like Purple we get it. He has toned down things a lot and so have you. Don’t fan the flames brother.

Let’s keep talking JMU sports.

Says the guy with that doesn't "have a desire of getting in the middle" but his last 10 posts have only been about getting in the middle and have nothing to do with JMU sports.

Now I am also moving on.

(07-21-2020 08:49 AM)Dukester Wrote:  Nice watching exhibition baseball last night.

As professional team sports return, it will give a better road map for colleges.

I hope come mid August MLB, NHL, and NBA will all still be going. I'm more optimistic, than not, that will be the case. If one bails, I think that will create an additional hurdle for the NFL.

I think Spring College football has a shot, although I don't see it for the fall.

Two key things to track:
1) The success of the Pro Leagues
2) What Covid 19 will look like in the fall/winter. (Which NOBODY knows at this point)
- if it peter's out - great
- if it's never been worse with elevating deaths - lord help us
- if the death rates stay similar to now - debate after debate and continued uncertainties for high school/college academics and athletics.

(07-21-2020 06:49 AM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(07-20-2020 06:01 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  I don’t have a desire of getting in the middle but as a quiet observer to this argument, I see people spewing ridicule and personal insults at Cent and Cent sharing data he believes to be accurate and informative. I am not saying I agree with either side of this argument. I just see some posters as attacking and one poster sharing information.

This seems to be the world we live in where a handful of people sit at a keyboard and lash out at anyone who doesn’t agree with them. Many of us continue to call for peace and it comes for a period then it turns again. It is tiring.

(07-20-2020 11:47 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  Saying “did you forget” is condescending. How about “in looking at this chart what I see is...” You don’t need to address Cent at all. You could have made your point without trying to make Cent look stupid.

A solid debate doesn’t involve making the other party look stupid. You present your facts he presents his and you both allow the readers to decide which argument they choose to believe. When you make personal comments your posts appear to come across as attacking.

(07-21-2020 06:31 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Let’s keep talking JMU sports.

(07-21-2020 07:56 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(07-21-2020 06:31 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(07-21-2020 12:13 AM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(05-18-2020 04:08 PM)Purple Wrote:  No one is going to change anyone else's political opinion on this board. Let's stay in our lane, folks. Just let the politics go. There are plenty of sites for that.

(06-09-2020 10:21 PM)Purple Wrote:  I am absolutely done with this nonsense. Back to Duuuuuuukes sports for me.

(07-20-2020 10:25 PM)Purple Wrote:  You're right, but that doesn't matter to those who are praying for more pandemic hysteria. They seem to thrive on it. Interesting.

Come on man. You don’t like Purple we get it. He has toned down things a lot and so have you. Don’t fan the flames brother.

Let’s keep talking JMU sports.

Says the guy with that doesn't "have a desire of getting in the middle" but his last 10 posts have only been about getting in the middle and have nothing to do with JMU sports.

Now I am also moving on.

(07-21-2020 09:53 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  Another thing that many people don't think about is the impact of Covid on other deaths. If the hospitals are filling up with Covid patients, what happens to the other patients that need hospital care or ventilators or emergency care? Right now, there are parts of the country where hospitals are getting close to capacity and having to send patients elsewhere.
If Covid keeps increasing or even remains close to the level now, things will get worse in the winter. Why? The flu. A few reasons:
-Instead of worrying just about the flu, we now have Covid to worry about as well.
-People mistaking Covid symptoms for the flu. Could lead to more infections due to not identifying properly.
-More hospital problems. Some people are hospitalized with the flu. And some argue that the flu is more dangerous than Covid, so imagine both going on at the same time... not good.

If there was ever a season to get a flu shot, this is the one.

(07-20-2020 09:21 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(07-20-2020 09:10 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  Just find a Walmart, doesn’t matter what town, city or state.

Well, starting today (7.20.20) Walmart corporate said all shoppers would be required to wear a mask. It will be interesting to see how Walmart enforces that decision.

(07-21-2020 10:20 AM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  

(07-21-2020 09:53 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  Another thing that many people don't think about is the impact of Covid on other deaths. If the hospitals are filling up with Covid patients, what happens to the other patients that need hospital care or ventilators or emergency care? Right now, there are parts of the country where hospitals are getting close to capacity and having to send patients elsewhere.
If Covid keeps increasing or even remains close to the level now, things will get worse in the winter. Why? The flu. A few reasons:
-Instead of worrying just about the flu, we now have Covid to worry about as well.
-People mistaking Covid symptoms for the flu. Could lead to more infections due to not identifying properly.
-More hospital problems. Some people are hospitalized with the flu. And some argue that the flu is more dangerous than Covid, so imagine both going on at the same time... not good.

If there was ever a season to get a flu shot, this is the one.

Totally agree on the flu shot. I also think the data will be complicated further because covid like illness and influenza like illness may be hard to distinguish in many cases. If you add in seasonal allergies that come around in the fall its a recipe for data disaster.

I think hospitals have done a pretty good job at avoiding nosocomial transmission recently, so im hoping that translates during the flu season.

The key indicators are hospitalizations and deaths. As an aside, when reading these stats you have to be very careful to understand that the report date of the death may not be when the death actually occurred, sometimes deaths are added weeks and even months after, further muddying the water.

(07-21-2020 11:13 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  When it comes to the data, I'm pretty sure they know what is considered the flu and what is considered Covid. In order for data to be tracked on Covid, there has to be a confirmed test. I haven't seen anything where there was confusion between the two when it comes to testing.
I believe when it comes to the public, there will absolutely be confusion there. I just don't think it will be in reporting between Covid and the flu.
However, I'm sure there are many more cases of Covid than are being reported. At the same time, I believe in some cases the recovery rate may be higher.
One statistic I am curious about is how they are reporting Covid related deaths. By that, I mean if someone contracts Covid, and the person has an immune response that kills them- do they consider that a death by Covid or by another means?

(07-21-2020 12:15 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  Channeled NH/JMU Saxon’s playoff energy to throw the list below together. Feel free updates as I probably missed something and will probably run out of the energy to keep it updated.

JMU: Madia quotes Bourne on 7/19 saying the hope is 8 games (number required for FCS playoffs) and JMU is seeking away opponents that can be driven by bus. I thought Curt stated “4” FBS games was the goal but can’t find the quote quickly and instead found “multiple.”
CAA: Not playing as a conference; Only Elon has stated desire to play Fall; No comment on Spring

P5:
ACC: Playing as planned; “Considering” only conference games and have "modeled" it
Big Ten: Only conference games
ACC: Playing as planned; “Considering” only conference games
Pac 12: Only conference games
SEC: Playing as planned; “Considering” only conference games and expects decision in late July

Indys (ND, Liberty, BYU, Army, NM, UMass, UConn): ND is included in the ACC only conference games scenario; BYU isn’t part of Big 10 or Pac 12 plans; Remaining teams talking about home and home series due to lost games

G5:
AAC: Playing as planned
CUSA: Playing as planned
MAC: Playing as planned
MW: Playing as planned
SB: Playing as planned

FCS: Teams that are noted have made a decision different than conference
Big Sky: Playing as planned
Big South: Playing as planned; Hampton not playing
Great West: Playing as planned
Ivy: Not playing Fall – No decision on Spring
MEAC: Not playing Fall – No decision on Spring
Missouri Valley: Playing as planned
Northeast: Playing as planned
Ohio Valley: Playing as planned
Patriot: Not playing Fall
Pioneer: Playing as planned – Davidson and Dayton are not playing OOC games
Southern: Playing as planned
Southland: Playing as planned
SWAC: Not playing Fall – Stated they want to play 7 games in Spring

(07-21-2020 11:08 AM)JMU85 Wrote:  

(07-20-2020 09:21 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(07-20-2020 09:10 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  Just find a Walmart, doesn’t matter what town, city or state.

Well, starting today (7.20.20) Walmart corporate said all shoppers would be required to wear a mask. It will be interesting to see how Walmart enforces that decision.

The more important question....are Pajamas, Slippers and bathrobes still allowed?

(07-21-2020 12:37 PM)Dukester Wrote:  Three weeks ago they were all playing. Any guesses for 3 weeks from now?

(07-20-2020 01:14 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(07-20-2020 12:44 PM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  The risk of death for college aged athletes seems to be somewhere between .001% and .006%

You're right.

Problem is they still spread the virus. Most everyone of those college aged athletes will come in contact with someone in much higher risk category on a daily basis. Could be a coach, professor, someone in administration, family member, etc.

Would football players over 300 pounds be at a higher risk?

Florida, California, and Texas have all hit their daily high for deaths in the last couple weeks Obviously this is related to the case spread by the younger Americans. States are rolling back restrictions because hospitalizations and death are going up.

If only we had worn masks at the percentages as others across the world. Those dangerous masks Doctors have been wearing daily for the last 75 years.

And if the a concern just for the deaths, or also for the short term and long term damage to someone's health?

It's not too hard to imagine when this mixes with the flu season, how much more complex this will be. Additionally the people I know who have taken the test (about 20) have taken between 5 days and two weeks to get the results. That is not too helpful.

Also, much of the world does contact tracing for cases. When you have 65,000 new cases a day it's impossible to contact trace.

The right to NOT wear a face mask, and to NOT socially distance has really put us behind most of the world in cases, deaths, economy, and sports.

Thankfully the medical community and specialists have improved their ability to care for people with the virus.

(07-20-2020 09:21 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(07-20-2020 09:10 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  Just find a Walmart, doesn’t matter what town, city or state.

Well, starting today (7.20.20) Walmart corporate said all shoppers would be required to wear a mask. It will be interesting to see how Walmart enforces that decision.

(07-21-2020 03:28 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(07-20-2020 01:14 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(07-20-2020 12:44 PM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  The risk of death for college aged athletes seems to be somewhere between .001% and .006%

You're right.

Problem is they still spread the virus. Most everyone of those college aged athletes will come in contact with someone in much higher risk category on a daily basis. Could be a coach, professor, someone in administration, family member, etc.

Would football players over 300 pounds be at a higher risk?

Florida, California, and Texas have all hit their daily high for deaths in the last couple weeks Obviously this is related to the case spread by the younger Americans. States are rolling back restrictions because hospitalizations and death are going up.

If only we had worn masks at the percentages as others across the world. Those dangerous masks Doctors have been wearing daily for the last 75 years.

And if the a concern just for the deaths, or also for the short term and long term damage to someone's health?

It's not too hard to imagine when this mixes with the flu season, how much more complex this will be. Additionally the people I know who have taken the test (about 20) have taken between 5 days and two weeks to get the results. That is not too helpful.

Also, much of the world does contact tracing for cases. When you have 65,000 new cases a day it's impossible to contact trace.

The right to NOT wear a face mask, and to NOT socially distance has really put us behind most of the world in cases, deaths, economy, and sports.

Thankfully the medical community and specialists have improved their ability to care for people with the virus.

Sooooooo.....if the aforementioned coach, professor, someone in administration, family member, etc wear a mask they should be good then correct. I mean that is what I have been told everyday for months on radio and TV.

Soooooo......in reality if you choose not to wear a mask that is a risk that the individual has chosen to accept and should not impact anyother mask wearing individual.

And JMU for example is mandating masks for classes and on campus in general.

What I am saying for those in the back then are the only folks at any real risk based the mask data are those individuals and only those individuals that chose not the wear a mask. So seems like we should be good to me then.