(07-20-2020 01:14 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(07-20-2020 12:44 PM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  The risk of death for college aged athletes seems to be somewhere between .001% and .006%

You're right.

Problem is they still spread the virus. Most everyone of those college aged athletes will come in contact with someone in much higher risk category on a daily basis. Could be a coach, professor, someone in administration, family member, etc.

Would football players over 300 pounds be at a higher risk?

Florida, California, and Texas have all hit their daily high for deaths in the last couple weeks Obviously this is related to the case spread by the younger Americans. States are rolling back restrictions because hospitalizations and death are going up.

If only we had worn masks at the percentages as others across the world. Those dangerous masks Doctors have been wearing daily for the last 75 years.

And if the a concern just for the deaths, or also for the short term and long term damage to someone's health?

It's not too hard to imagine when this mixes with the flu season, how much more complex this will be. Additionally the people I know who have taken the test (about 20) have taken between 5 days and two weeks to get the results. That is not too helpful.

Also, much of the world does contact tracing for cases. When you have 65,000 new cases a day it's impossible to contact trace.

The right to NOT wear a face mask, and to NOT socially distance has really put us behind most of the world in cases, deaths, economy, and sports.

Thankfully the medical community and specialists have improved their ability to care for people with the virus.

(07-20-2020 07:22 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(07-20-2020 05:45 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  Also as part of NJ Governor’s order there will be no fans at Jets & Giants home games until further notice/order. Hmmm....

NFL teams will survive because they get more of their money from TV and other sources while colleges rely on that gate revenue much more.

(07-20-2020 06:01 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  I don’t have a desire of getting in the middle but as a quiet observer to this argument, I see people spewing ridicule and personal insults at Cent and Cent sharing data he believes to be accurate and informative. I am not saying I agree with either side of this argument. I just see some posters as attacking and one poster sharing information.

This seems to be the world we live in where a handful of people sit at a keyboard and lash out at anyone who doesn’t agree with them. Many of us continue to call for peace and it comes for a period then it turns again. It is tiring.

(07-20-2020 08:52 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  I don't go to many public places, but for the last couple months everywhere I go, EVERYONE is wearing a mask. Whether it's the grocery store or pickup food or Starbucks or anywhere public, it's been a long time since I've seen anyone without a mask.

(07-20-2020 09:10 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  Just find a Walmart, doesn’t matter what town, city or state.

(07-20-2020 08:27 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(07-20-2020 06:01 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  I don’t have a desire of getting in the middle but as a quiet observer to this argument, I see people spewing ridicule and personal insults at Cent and Cent sharing data he believes to be accurate and informative. I am not saying I agree with either side of this argument. I just see some posters as attacking and one poster sharing information.

This seems to be the world we live in where a handful of people sit at a keyboard and lash out at anyone who doesn’t agree with them. Many of us continue to call for peace and it comes for a period then it turns again. It is tiring.

From my (potentially biased) perspective: Cent provided information that was never questioned factually. I pointed out that death was a very low bar to clear from a safety perspective. DukeDogNation, JMad, Dukester and myself all pointed out (to varying extents), that the stats shared weren't enough to draw Cent's conclusions. JMad, Dukester and myself all pointed out (to varying extents) that the stats actually contradicted Cent's own conclusion.

Cent explicitly stated that he would ignore us "because it's not worth responding" but then decided to post the same stuff just 3 days later (Dukesters response at that point). I got annoyed by this troll-like behavior and took the thread further from the topic of JMU sports. I apologize to all for that.

I don't believe any responses rose to to "spewing ridicule and personal insults," but rather added insight to the information that Cent share (which I initially believe he would want to discuss). I have no clue who called him racist previously and perhaps that is what you are referring too (in which case, ignore all this).

(07-20-2020 01:55 PM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  

(07-20-2020 01:34 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  Dukester - Given that Cent has made multiple post referencing college aged kids and death rates, without providing a connection to sports, but has yet to respond to any counter that involves the return to sports (raised by myself in #374, you just now, DukeDogNation in #367, and JMad in #373), and instead has stated the logical points that he isn't considering are "not worth responding" (post #388), can we just agree that Cent is set on discussing the validity of covid and not the actual return of sports, in which case a mod should just ban/warn him?

Yeah - you should totally ban me for providing statistics regarding college aged kids when discussing the safety of college aged kids playing sports. Sorry, its barely worth responding to most these posts because I keep getting called a racist dummy for reading statistics differently than others here. Total insanity.

Ive said it dozens of times, protect the at risk, and let everyone else manage their own risks personally, and then to their extended families.

If your grocery store, garbagemen, the guys and gals who deliver your packages and local police officers can figure out how to manage risk and spread, so can college athletic programs.

(07-20-2020 06:01 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  I don’t have a desire of getting in the middle but as a quiet observer to this argument, I see people spewing ridicule and personal insults at Cent and Cent sharing data he believes to be accurate and informative. I am not saying I agree with either side of this argument. I just see some posters as attacking and one poster sharing information.

This seems to be the world we live in where a handful of people sit at a keyboard and lash out at anyone who doesn’t agree with them. Many of us continue to call for peace and it comes for a period then it turns again. It is tiring.

(07-20-2020 09:52 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  COVID statistics are like sports statistics, they can be used to support two different sides to an argument. Instead of calling him out on his statistics just do some research then present statistics to support why you feel it is dangerous to have games this fall. You don’t need to address him personally or make character assessments or call for him to be banned. Stick with the facts as you believe them to be and leave the personal stuff out. You aren’t changing Cents mind and he is not changing yours. Your goal should be to inform readers not fight with Cent.

Dukester’s post are not like yours. He shares his beliefs. I sometimes agree and sometimes disagree with him. I don’t feel he takes personal shots at people and I don’t jump in and tell him how stupid his points of view are when I don’t agree. He makes points on the facts as he sees them.

We use to be a country who could have civil discourse. I see a lot of anger and fighting these days. The destruction of public property and businesses in the name of change? Really? In the 60s they did sit ins to protest the Vietnam War. Martin Luther King preached peaceful protest in the face of sometimes physical retaliation by the authorities. One of Richmond’s most picturesque streets has been turned into a war zone. If I had young children, I would fear for their future well beyond this Pandemic. People preaching tolerance who have no tolerance for others with an opposing view.

(07-20-2020 11:47 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  Saying “did you forget” is condescending. How about “in looking at this chart what I see is...” You don’t need to address Cent at all. You could have made your point without trying to make Cent look stupid.

A solid debate doesn’t involve making the other party look stupid. You present your facts he presents his and you both allow the readers to decide which argument they choose to believe. When you make personal comments your posts appear to come across as attacking.

(05-18-2020 04:08 PM)Purple Wrote:  No one is going to change anyone else's political opinion on this board. Let's stay in our lane, folks. Just let the politics go. There are plenty of sites for that.

(06-09-2020 10:21 PM)Purple Wrote:  I am absolutely done with this nonsense. Back to Duuuuuuukes sports for me.

(07-20-2020 10:25 PM)Purple Wrote:  You're right, but that doesn't matter to those who are praying for more pandemic hysteria. They seem to thrive on it. Interesting.

(07-21-2020 12:04 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(07-20-2020 11:47 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  Saying “did you forget” is condescending. How about “in looking at this chart what I see is...” You don’t need to address Cent at all. You could have made your point without trying to make Cent look stupid.

A solid debate doesn’t involve making the other party look stupid. You present your facts he presents his and you both allow the readers to decide which argument they choose to believe. When you make personal comments your posts appear to come across as attacking.

Before I go down your next tangent, are you going to apologize for telling me to "stick to the facts" and to "present statistics", two things I had already very clearly done, or are we just going to move on from your transgressions and continue to nit pick my word choices?


I would like to know that before I respond to you telling me that I should include "in looking at this chart" in a post where I directly quote said chart.

(07-21-2020 12:13 AM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(05-18-2020 04:08 PM)Purple Wrote:  No one is going to change anyone else's political opinion on this board. Let's stay in our lane, folks. Just let the politics go. There are plenty of sites for that.

(06-09-2020 10:21 PM)Purple Wrote:  I am absolutely done with this nonsense. Back to Duuuuuuukes sports for me.

(07-20-2020 10:25 PM)Purple Wrote:  You're right, but that doesn't matter to those who are praying for more pandemic hysteria. They seem to thrive on it. Interesting.

(07-20-2020 10:25 PM)Purple Wrote:  You're right, but that doesn't matter to those who are praying for more pandemic hysteria. They seem to thrive on it. Interesting.

(07-21-2020 06:31 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Let’s keep talking JMU sports.

(07-20-2020 06:01 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  I don’t have a desire of getting in the middle but as a quiet observer to this argument, I see people spewing ridicule and personal insults at Cent and Cent sharing data he believes to be accurate and informative. I am not saying I agree with either side of this argument. I just see some posters as attacking and one poster sharing information.

This seems to be the world we live in where a handful of people sit at a keyboard and lash out at anyone who doesn’t agree with them. Many of us continue to call for peace and it comes for a period then it turns again. It is tiring.

(07-20-2020 11:47 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  Saying “did you forget” is condescending. How about “in looking at this chart what I see is...” You don’t need to address Cent at all. You could have made your point without trying to make Cent look stupid.

A solid debate doesn’t involve making the other party look stupid. You present your facts he presents his and you both allow the readers to decide which argument they choose to believe. When you make personal comments your posts appear to come across as attacking.

(07-21-2020 06:31 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Let’s keep talking JMU sports.

(07-21-2020 06:29 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(07-21-2020 12:04 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(07-20-2020 11:47 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  Saying “did you forget” is condescending. How about “in looking at this chart what I see is...” You don’t need to address Cent at all. You could have made your point without trying to make Cent look stupid.

A solid debate doesn’t involve making the other party look stupid. You present your facts he presents his and you both allow the readers to decide which argument they choose to believe. When you make personal comments your posts appear to come across as attacking.

Before I go down your next tangent, are you going to apologize for telling me to "stick to the facts" and to "present statistics", two things I had already very clearly done, or are we just going to move on from your transgressions and continue to nit pick my word choices?


I would like to know that before I respond to you telling me that I should include "in looking at this chart" in a post where I directly quote said chart.

If those comments somehow offended you, then yes I apologize. Let’s just move on. You and Cent don’t agree. I see your posts and others as personal attacks. You can take my comments under advisement or ignore them. We don’t need to clog this board with communication to each other that doesn’t relate to the subject matter.