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CDC Finally gives us the REAL virus death numbers. - Eagleaidaholic - 05-07-2020 02:12 PM
They have to explain their way around it to make sound like the bogus numbers reported on the news "may" be right.
CDC explanation for death count
45,600 Covid deaths and 71,000+ Pneumonia deaths so far this year. 51,000 pneumonia deaths NOT attributed to Covid.
RE: CDC Finally gives us the REAL virus death numbers. - TripleA - 05-07-2020 02:34 PM
Factcheck.org (often needing to be fact checked itself) claims that it's fake news, that there are 2 different numbers. One is the number of people who died with death certificates, the other is the total reported by health agencies, inclusive of death certificates, but including many more. The difference was 37,000 vs. 64,000.
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/05/cdc-hasnt-reduced-covid-19-death-toll/
RE: CDC Finally gives us the REAL virus death numbers. - Redwingtom - 05-08-2020 05:55 AM
Now do the ACTUAL deaths per year from the basic types of flu. It's around 3k to 15k per year, nowhere near the usually reported estimate of 40k.
RE: CDC Finally gives us the REAL virus death numbers. - GrayBeard - 05-08-2020 08:22 AM
(05-08-2020 05:55 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: Now do the ACTUAL deaths per year from the basic types of flu. It's around 3k to 15k per year, nowhere near the usually reported estimate of 40k.
Stay on topic.
RE: CDC Finally gives us the REAL virus death numbers. - UofMstateU - 05-08-2020 08:31 AM
(05-08-2020 05:55 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: Now do the ACTUAL deaths per year from the basic types of flu. It's around 3k to 15k per year, nowhere near the usually reported estimate of 40k.
ok, how about this?
CDC: 80,000 people died of flu last winter in U.S., highest death toll in 40 years
By ASSOCIATED PRESSSEPTEMBER 26, 2018
https://www.statnews.com/2018/09/26/cdc-us-flu-deaths-winter/
Also, do you have any idea how many people died of the flu THIS flu season? Perhaps look it up.
RE: CDC Finally gives us the REAL virus death numbers. - Redwingtom - 05-08-2020 08:41 AM
(05-08-2020 08:31 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:(05-08-2020 05:55 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: Now do the ACTUAL deaths per year from the basic types of flu. It's around 3k to 15k per year, nowhere near the usually reported estimate of 40k.
ok, how about this?
CDC: 80,000 people died of flu last winter in U.S., highest death toll in 40 years
By ASSOCIATED PRESSSEPTEMBER 26, 2018
https://www.statnews.com/2018/09/26/cdc-us-flu-deaths-winter/
Also, do you have any idea how many people died of the flu THIS flu season? Perhaps look it up.
Don't quit your day job...
Quote:NEW YORK — An estimated 80,000 Americans died of flu and its complications last winter — the disease’s highest death toll in at least four decades.
RE: CDC Finally gives us the REAL virus death numbers. - Redwingtom - 05-08-2020 08:42 AM
(05-08-2020 08:22 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:(05-08-2020 05:55 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: Now do the ACTUAL deaths per year from the basic types of flu. It's around 3k to 15k per year, nowhere near the usually reported estimate of 40k.
Stay on topic.
Pound sand.
RE: CDC Finally gives us the REAL virus death numbers. - VA49er - 05-08-2020 09:28 AM
(05-08-2020 08:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:(05-08-2020 08:31 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:(05-08-2020 05:55 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: Now do the ACTUAL deaths per year from the basic types of flu. It's around 3k to 15k per year, nowhere near the usually reported estimate of 40k.
ok, how about this?
CDC: 80,000 people died of flu last winter in U.S., highest death toll in 40 years
By ASSOCIATED PRESSSEPTEMBER 26, 2018
https://www.statnews.com/2018/09/26/cdc-us-flu-deaths-winter/
Also, do you have any idea how many people died of the flu THIS flu season? Perhaps look it up.
Don't quit your day job...
Quote:NEW YORK — An estimated 80,000 Americans died of flu and its complications last winter — the disease’s highest death toll in at least four decades.
Does that mean we shouldn't take all the estimated COVID death numbers seriously? I mean, those are estimated as well going forward........
RE: CDC Finally gives us the REAL virus death numbers. - UofMstateU - 05-08-2020 09:30 AM
(05-08-2020 09:28 AM)VA49er Wrote:(05-08-2020 08:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:(05-08-2020 08:31 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:(05-08-2020 05:55 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: Now do the ACTUAL deaths per year from the basic types of flu. It's around 3k to 15k per year, nowhere near the usually reported estimate of 40k.
ok, how about this?
CDC: 80,000 people died of flu last winter in U.S., highest death toll in 40 years
By ASSOCIATED PRESSSEPTEMBER 26, 2018
https://www.statnews.com/2018/09/26/cdc-us-flu-deaths-winter/
Also, do you have any idea how many people died of the flu THIS flu season? Perhaps look it up.
Don't quit your day job...
Quote:NEW YORK — An estimated 80,000 Americans died of flu and its complications last winter — the disease’s highest death toll in at least four decades.
Does that mean we shouldn't take all the estimated COVID deaths seriously? I mean, those are estimated as well going forward........
KInd of like how he estimated his fake vacation at 12 days, but could only produce receipts for 3 days.
RE: CDC Finally gives us the REAL virus death numbers. - Redwingtom - 05-08-2020 09:50 AM
(05-08-2020 09:28 AM)VA49er Wrote:(05-08-2020 08:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:(05-08-2020 08:31 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:(05-08-2020 05:55 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: Now do the ACTUAL deaths per year from the basic types of flu. It's around 3k to 15k per year, nowhere near the usually reported estimate of 40k.
ok, how about this?
CDC: 80,000 people died of flu last winter in U.S., highest death toll in 40 years
By ASSOCIATED PRESSSEPTEMBER 26, 2018
https://www.statnews.com/2018/09/26/cdc-us-flu-deaths-winter/
Also, do you have any idea how many people died of the flu THIS flu season? Perhaps look it up.
Don't quit your day job...
Quote:NEW YORK — An estimated 80,000 Americans died of flu and its complications last winter — the disease’s highest death toll in at least four decades.
Does that mean we shouldn't take all the estimated COVID death numbers seriously? I mean, those are estimated as well going forward........
Estimated? Of course not. But the COVID death toll is fairly official at this point of over 75k.
If you count flu deaths for prior years the way we are currently counting COVID deaths, they would range from 3k to 15k per year. The CDC estimates of flu death that people frequently use to try and diminish COVID as just another flu are estimates and also include deaths from pneumonia.
You can read more here:
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/comparing-covid-19-deaths-to-flu-deaths-is-like-comparing-apples-to-oranges/
RE: CDC Finally gives us the REAL virus death numbers. - TigersOhMy - 05-08-2020 09:53 AM
(05-08-2020 09:50 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:(05-08-2020 09:28 AM)VA49er Wrote:(05-08-2020 08:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:(05-08-2020 08:31 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:(05-08-2020 05:55 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: Now do the ACTUAL deaths per year from the basic types of flu. It's around 3k to 15k per year, nowhere near the usually reported estimate of 40k.
ok, how about this?
CDC: 80,000 people died of flu last winter in U.S., highest death toll in 40 years
By ASSOCIATED PRESSSEPTEMBER 26, 2018
https://www.statnews.com/2018/09/26/cdc-us-flu-deaths-winter/
Also, do you have any idea how many people died of the flu THIS flu season? Perhaps look it up.
Don't quit your day job...
Quote:NEW YORK — An estimated 80,000 Americans died of flu and its complications last winter — the disease’s highest death toll in at least four decades.
Does that mean we shouldn't take all the estimated COVID death numbers seriously? I mean, those are estimated as well going forward........
Estimated? Of course not. But the COVID death toll is fairly official at this point of over 75k.
If you count flu deaths for prior years the way we are currently counting COVID deaths, they would range from 3k to 15k per year. The CDC estimates of flu death that people frequently use to try and diminish COVID as just another flu are estimates and also include deaths from pneumonia.
You can read more here:
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/comparing-covid-19-deaths-to-flu-deaths-is-like-comparing-apples-to-oranges/
what does "fairly official" mean? Either something is official or it isnt, right?
RE: CDC Finally gives us the REAL virus death numbers. - Redwingtom - 05-08-2020 10:01 AM
(05-08-2020 09:53 AM)TigersOhMy Wrote:(05-08-2020 09:50 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:(05-08-2020 09:28 AM)VA49er Wrote:(05-08-2020 08:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:(05-08-2020 08:31 AM)UofMstateU Wrote: ok, how about this?
CDC: 80,000 people died of flu last winter in U.S., highest death toll in 40 years
By ASSOCIATED PRESSSEPTEMBER 26, 2018
https://www.statnews.com/2018/09/26/cdc-us-flu-deaths-winter/
Also, do you have any idea how many people died of the flu THIS flu season? Perhaps look it up.
Don't quit your day job...
Quote:NEW YORK — An estimated 80,000 Americans died of flu and its complications last winter — the disease’s highest death toll in at least four decades.
Does that mean we shouldn't take all the estimated COVID death numbers seriously? I mean, those are estimated as well going forward........
Estimated? Of course not. But the COVID death toll is fairly official at this point of over 75k.
If you count flu deaths for prior years the way we are currently counting COVID deaths, they would range from 3k to 15k per year. The CDC estimates of flu death that people frequently use to try and diminish COVID as just another flu are estimates and also include deaths from pneumonia.
You can read more here:
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/comparing-covid-19-deaths-to-flu-deaths-is-like-comparing-apples-to-oranges/
what does "fairly official" mean? Either something is official or it isnt, right?
C'mon dude...it might be off by a little...I don't think this is that hard a concept.
RE: CDC Finally gives us the REAL virus death numbers. - UofMstateU - 05-08-2020 10:37 AM
What kind of idiot believes the flu count, which has been done for years, is an estimate that cant be believed, but the Covid count is an exact science?
RE: CDC Finally gives us the REAL virus death numbers. - DaSaintFan - 05-08-2020 10:46 AM
(05-08-2020 09:28 AM)VA49er Wrote:(05-08-2020 08:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:(05-08-2020 08:31 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:(05-08-2020 05:55 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: Now do the ACTUAL deaths per year from the basic types of flu. It's around 3k to 15k per year, nowhere near the usually reported estimate of 40k.
ok, how about this?
CDC: 80,000 people died of flu last winter in U.S., highest death toll in 40 years
By ASSOCIATED PRESSSEPTEMBER 26, 2018
https://www.statnews.com/2018/09/26/cdc-us-flu-deaths-winter/
Also, do you have any idea how many people died of the flu THIS flu season? Perhaps look it up.
Don't quit your day job...
Quote:NEW YORK — An estimated 80,000 Americans died of flu and its complications last winter — the disease’s highest death toll in at least four decades.
Does that mean we shouldn't take all the estimated COVID death numbers seriously? I mean, those are estimated as well going forward........
Depends on the meaning of the word "is", VA
RE: CDC Finally gives us the REAL virus death numbers. - Hambone10 - 05-08-2020 10:53 AM
(05-07-2020 02:34 PM)TripleA Wrote: Factcheck.org (often needing to be fact checked itself) claims that it's fake news, that there are 2 different numbers. One is the number of people who died with death certificates, the other is the total reported by health agencies, inclusive of death certificates, but including many more. The difference was 37,000 vs. 64,000.
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/05/cdc-hasnt-reduced-covid-19-death-toll/
Not that you're saying this, but someone might imply it from the way you wrote it....
Nobody dies without a death cert in this country. They are not always prepared/finalized quickly.
In an effort to be timely, Health agencies don't always wait for death certs for their reporting
please see below
(05-08-2020 05:55 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: Now do the ACTUAL deaths per year from the basic types of flu. It's around 3k to 15k per year, nowhere near the usually reported estimate of 40k.
Educate yourself, Tom.... For anything other than COVID-19, death certificates require a conclusive finding of 'flu' to have that on the death certificate... since lots of people, especially seniors with comorbidities, die without an autopsy (or often without a hospitalization, at home or in a center) they may not have that confirmation.. Flu tests are not that conclusive and since you'll treat someone with suspected flu as if they have it, getting a flu test is not a big deal when someone with chronic severe COPD is dying.
The CDC does, and has for a very long time... 'estimated' the number of flu associated deaths per year, and this is the primary number that they have always reported.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html
2010-2011 37k
2011-2012 12k
2012-2013 43k
2013-2014 38k
2014-2015 51k
2015-2016 23k
2016-2017 38k
2017-2018 prelim estimate 61k
2018-2019 prelim estimate 34k
You might also look at the 95% confidence range.... for 2017-2028, the range was 46k-95k. If someone wanted to fudge the numbers and play games (like you're doing, though I don't think it intentional) they'd be telling you (correctly) that according to the CDC the 2017-2018 number COULD have been 95k.
For Covid, not all states health departments report what is on the death certificate as the cause of death. They instead have a more simple 'report' made to the state... so some report two numbers... one with only confirmed cases to the state, and one reported to the CDC that follows the CDC COD death certificate requirement to include 'probable' and 'presumed'... which is not allowed for flu or any other unconfirmed disease. States who report the 'other' number are not doing 'wrong', because for every other disease, there wouldn't be a difference.
The CDC is trying to provide people like you a proper frame of reference for comparison... and because these flu numbers aren't 'newly' reported... nobody can claim that they only started doing this because of covid.
So....
You can't add up the state numbers and get the CDC numbers because it's not always apples:apples.
You also can't look at today's number and assume that it won't change... because states and docs don't all report death certs immediately.... most do within a few days, almost all within a few weeks.... and SOME cases (not many but a few) can take a long time to resolve if there is a legal question/dispute.... hence why 2017-2018 is still preliminary
NOBODY in this country dies without a death certificate (eventually)
and the proper number for comparison to the reported COVID numbers IS the 'estimated' Flu deaths.
RE: CDC Finally gives us the REAL virus death numbers. - TigerBlue4Ever - 05-08-2020 11:03 AM
(05-08-2020 05:55 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: Now do the ACTUAL deaths per year from the basic types of flu. It's around 3k to 15k per year, nowhere near the usually reported estimate of 40k.
Those are the CDC's own numbers fool.
RE: CDC Finally gives us the REAL virus death numbers. - TigerBlue4Ever - 05-08-2020 11:05 AM
(05-08-2020 10:37 AM)UofMstateU Wrote: What kind of idiot believes the flu count, which has been done for years, is an estimate that cant be believed, but the Covid count is an exact science?
The commie tommie kind
RE: CDC Finally gives us the REAL virus death numbers. - georgia_tech_swagger - 05-08-2020 11:05 AM
(05-07-2020 02:12 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote: They have to explain their way around it to make sound like the bogus numbers reported on the news "may" be right.
CDC explanation for death count
45,600 Covid deaths and 71,000+ Pneumonia deaths so far this year. 51,000 pneumonia deaths NOT attributed to Covid.
As much as I appreciate the attempt to send me a file from your C: drive, user Mickey, that's not how the internet works.
RE: CDC Finally gives us the REAL virus death numbers. - GrayBeard - 05-08-2020 12:04 PM
(05-08-2020 11:05 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:(05-07-2020 02:12 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote: They have to explain their way around it to make sound like the bogus numbers reported on the news "may" be right.
CDC explanation for death count
45,600 Covid deaths and 71,000+ Pneumonia deaths so far this year. 51,000 pneumonia deaths NOT attributed to Covid.
As much as I appreciate the attempt to send me a file from your C: drive, user Mickey, that's not how the internet works.
RE: CDC Finally gives us the REAL virus death numbers. - TripleA - 05-08-2020 12:13 PM
(05-08-2020 10:53 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:(05-07-2020 02:34 PM)TripleA Wrote: Factcheck.org (often needing to be fact checked itself) claims that it's fake news, that there are 2 different numbers. One is the number of people who died with death certificates, the other is the total reported by health agencies, inclusive of death certificates, but including many more. The difference was 37,000 vs. 64,000.
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/05/cdc-hasnt-reduced-covid-19-death-toll/
Not that you're saying this, but someone might imply it from the way you wrote it....
Nobody dies without a death cert in this country. They are not always prepared/finalized quickly.
In an effort to be timely, Health agencies don't always wait for death certs for their reporting
Here is the exact quote from my link. It was available for anybody to read if they were confused:
"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention regularly updates two different lists that track deaths from COVID-19 in the U.S. One list, referred to as “provisional deaths,” counts death certificates. The other list counts confirmed and probable cases.
The list that counts death certificates shows a lower number partly because official documentation takes days or weeks to produce. So that number lags behind other methods of counting the death toll.
But several claims based on a faulty comparison of those two lists have been spreading the falsehood that the CDC has “adjusted” or “reduced” the number of deaths due to COVID-19 in the U.S."
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/05/cdc-hasnt-reduced-covid-19-death-toll/