(04-17-2020 01:14 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(04-17-2020 12:36 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  

(04-17-2020 07:40 AM)doss2 Wrote:  

(04-16-2020 05:07 PM)Dont tase me bro Wrote:  Testing will be easily attainable by then, so I think they will play. Probably play in empty stadiums until a vaccine is available.

Need fans in stands.

Need test certificate to enter.
Must wear masks.
Check temps upon entering.

There may not be a vaccine, ever. There is no HIV vaccine. Controlled by therapeutics and mitigation.

HIV is not a good example.

Vaccines protect against disease, not infection
HIV is an infection until it progresses to stage 3, or AIDS. With most infections, vaccines buy the body more time to clear the infection on its own before disease occurs.

However, HIV has a long dormant period before it progresses to AIDS. During this period, the virus hides itself in the DNA of the person with the virus. The body can’t find and destroy all of the hidden copies of the virus to cure itself. So, a vaccine to buy more time won’t work with HIV.

Most vaccines protect against viruses that enter the body through the respiratory or gastrointestinal systems
More viruses enter the body in these two ways, so we have more experience addressing them. But HIV enters the body most often through genital surfaces or the blood. We have less experience protecting against viruses that enter the body in those ways.

I am optimistic about a vaccine.

The first case of H1N1 in the US were reported on April 15 2009. On December 18, 2009 the first 100 million doses of 2009 H1N1 vaccine were available for ordering.

https://www.healthline.com/health/hiv-aids/vaccine-how-close-are-we#obstacles

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-pandemic-timeline.html

I remember it being sooner than that.

I know for a fact that I took my kids to get h1n1 vaccines in October.

They then recommended a booster so I took them for a second round in early December.

I remember this all so well because I took them for that second shot the night before what would turn out to be the legendary Pike-to-Binns UC-Pitt game.

(04-17-2020 09:26 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(04-16-2020 04:35 PM)Dannyboy Wrote:  There damn well better be football. If it’s in an empty stadium fine, but enough is enough. We need to live our lives and get back to normal. 20 million and counting have just had their lives ruined by unemployment. At some point very soon it’s time to move forward with life. And I care for my two at risk parents in my house. I get the risk and how bad it is. But it’s bigger than me or them. We can’t wreck the lives of 350 million people to protect 200,000. Not over the long term.

Where are the "bodies in the streets" crowd to correct Dannyboy of his...

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... "moronic, baseless, nauseating, strawman, lost in the trees, headslappingly silly"...

position?

PS: By the way, you're exactly right Dannyboy.

(04-17-2020 11:17 AM)cpawstoney Wrote:  

(04-17-2020 09:26 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(04-16-2020 04:35 PM)Dannyboy Wrote:  There damn well better be football. If it’s in an empty stadium fine, but enough is enough. We need to live our lives and get back to normal. 20 million and counting have just had their lives ruined by unemployment. At some point very soon it’s time to move forward with life. And I care for my two at risk parents in my house. I get the risk and how bad it is. But it’s bigger than me or them. We can’t wreck the lives of 350 million people to protect 200,000. Not over the long term.

Where are the "bodies in the streets" crowd to correct Dannyboy of his...

[INHALE]

... "moronic, baseless, nauseating, strawman, lost in the trees, headslappingly silly"...

position?

PS: By the way, you're exactly right Dannyboy.

Sometimes the needs of the few out weigh the needs of the many.

(04-18-2020 09:08 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  We're banning cars?

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(04-18-2020 08:38 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  The numbers predicted that were off were based on doing nothing.
Yea 2 million won't die if we socially distance like this forever. 35,000 in a month+ is unprecedented in modern times and again we've taken unprecedented actions. The numbers are well within the scope of prediction and we're not nearly through. How many will die ultimately? 50,000, 100,000? There's still a long way to go.

(04-18-2020 10:52 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  There is close to zero chance of a college football season this unless students are on campus. There is practically zero chance that colleges are going bring back students this fall without a vaccine.

Pro sports might play in empty stadiums in a closed biodome style environment but they are getting paid millions to play.

No level of education is going to risk illness or death to their students or athletes when they can take classes online and fulfill their core mission. No business is going to open up and risk the same if there is an option to work from home.

Stay off the right wing media, there is a medical crisis that has created economic hardship. The old economy died, its gone and never coming back. Every industry is going to have to act differently even after a vaccine. Online education, remote work, and eCommerce will rule the day. Standardized test, state licensing exams, conferences, and other older standards might be replaced with modern approaches that places modern communication tech to full use.

So no, I don't think fall college football happens this fall. Spring football or college basketball only happens with a vaccine. We only emerge from this crisis when the medical community finds a vaccine and treatment solutions. I repeat no education institution or large place of business is going to want liability if they have mass illness or death because they opened up before we had a medical solution.

(04-18-2020 11:09 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  I would assume people will get back to work before the vaccine is created. But it will be much harder to have mass gatherings like you see in College Football. My hope is that students return and they simply play the games without fans.

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(04-18-2020 09:37 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  What seems to be happening now is that there are politicians, journalists, Facebook friends, and Banter posters who are actually rooting for the quarantine to continue. A significant amount of the population likes living a sheltered life. My guess 99% of those opinions come from people who still are getting a paycheck. I've read posts about how wonderful the family time has become. How great it is to drive to work with no traffic. How nice that the air is so much cleaner. And NETFLIX and the Lion show are just the bomb.

And shockingly some are rooting for more people to die...just to prove they were right. At a minimum their bleeding hearts still want to protect the aged with life failing issues from ever dying. Let's legislate the most frail from ever passing away. Ever. Because "you would think different if it was your grandma." Silly - avoiding death. No government regulations will ever solve that one.

My grandparents have been dead for many years. Smoking, alcohol, automobiles, and brain cancer all caused those deaths. Cigs and booze still being sold decades later. My mother nears 80 now with some health issues. And she is responsible enough to stay home, let my sister shop for her, and wash her hands after every time she walks her dogs. And she does all of this knowing she is at risk. And if she sat at this keyboard she would tell you that its not the waitress at her favorite restaurant responsibility to protect her. It's her's alone. And as a family we support her. Individual responsibility - not government control.

And if the Bearcats do find a way to play this Fall, Mom will choose to accept her risk, and still live life to its fullest. She will be at Nippert for at least one game, and definitely at the Bounce-House in Orlando. She would always tell me...this life is not a dress rehearsal - so go make your best life with the limited time you have. Some of you on here have met my Mom, and know she will be tailgating with a glass of her favorite red in hand. She loves her Bearcats!!!