(08-09-2020 01:16 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Had it controlled in mid june and let it slip. Half the country will feign surprise as to how this could happen. We'll hit 200k dead and pretend it doesn't matter. Im pessimistic about our country, about most of our futures.

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(08-09-2020 09:51 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 08:52 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Just finished up my son's baseball season yesterday.

Went 2-14. We just had no pitching. I was excited that my kid's hitting improved that he was the lead off hitter by he end of the year.

Other stats:

Fans all sat together. Zero masks worn. Kids all sat next to each other in the dugout. A couple of kid's grandparents came to every game. No social distancing at all.

NOBODY CAUGHT ANYTHING. NOBODY DIED BECAUSE WE PLAYED BASEBALL.

You probably all caught it and just didn’t know it.

(08-10-2020 06:05 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 09:51 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 08:52 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Just finished up my son's baseball season yesterday.

Went 2-14. We just had no pitching. I was excited that my kid's hitting improved that he was the lead off hitter by he end of the year.

Other stats:

Fans all sat together. Zero masks worn. Kids all sat next to each other in the dugout. A couple of kid's grandparents came to every game. No social distancing at all.

NOBODY CAUGHT ANYTHING. NOBODY DIED BECAUSE WE PLAYED BASEBALL.

You probably all caught it and just didn’t know it.

I'm sure there are those out there that just cannot comprehend that life can go on as planned and not catch the plague.

Dr. Fauci would never agree to that, you know.

(08-10-2020 06:17 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 06:05 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 09:51 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 08:52 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Just finished up my son's baseball season yesterday.

Went 2-14. We just had no pitching. I was excited that my kid's hitting improved that he was the lead off hitter by he end of the year.

Other stats:

Fans all sat together. Zero masks worn. Kids all sat next to each other in the dugout. A couple of kid's grandparents came to every game. No social distancing at all.

NOBODY CAUGHT ANYTHING. NOBODY DIED BECAUSE WE PLAYED BASEBALL.

You probably all caught it and just didn’t know it.

I'm sure there are those out there that just cannot comprehend that life can go on as planned and not catch the plague.

Dr. Fauci would never agree to that, you know.

I've been hesitant to post this, but the season is almost over with anyways now. We've been playing slow-pitch softball elbow to elbow, since may. Mid June and Mid July there were Major tournaments where people flew in from all over the country and there were very large crowds. The Metro finished up a few weeks back and the place was packed nightly. No masks. No distancing. Nothing.

I don't know what that means, honestly. It's at least interesting.

(08-10-2020 07:06 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 06:17 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 06:05 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 09:51 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 08:52 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Just finished up my son's baseball season yesterday.

Went 2-14. We just had no pitching. I was excited that my kid's hitting improved that he was the lead off hitter by he end of the year.

Other stats:

Fans all sat together. Zero masks worn. Kids all sat next to each other in the dugout. A couple of kid's grandparents came to every game. No social distancing at all.

NOBODY CAUGHT ANYTHING. NOBODY DIED BECAUSE WE PLAYED BASEBALL.

You probably all caught it and just didn’t know it.

I'm sure there are those out there that just cannot comprehend that life can go on as planned and not catch the plague.

Dr. Fauci would never agree to that, you know.

I've been hesitant to post this, but the season is almost over with anyways now. We've been playing slow-pitch softball elbow to elbow, since may. Mid June and Mid July there were Major tournaments where people flew in from all over the country and there were very large crowds. The Metro finished up a few weeks back and the place was packed nightly. No masks. No distancing. Nothing.

I don't know what that means, honestly. It's at least interesting.

I'll tell you what it means.

Here are two first hand testimonies that the "gotta shut it down" crowd is full of crap.

Just like nobody from Xavier was affected by their trip to play a BE game right in the midst of craphole central, NYC.

But nobody ever reports this stuff. All you ever hear is CASES, CASES, CASES!!!

(08-10-2020 05:40 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  You and I have gone back and forth a few times on herd immunity, and you've had a lot of good info. What's your current take on Sweden? Their numbers seem to look pretty decent right now. Is there something there that I am missing?

(08-10-2020 07:56 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 05:40 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  You and I have gone back and forth a few times on herd immunity, and you've had a lot of good info. What's your current take on Sweden? Their numbers seem to look pretty decent right now. Is there something there that I am missing?

It's hard to make a judgement now because there could still be additional flare ups. That said, Sweden has had one of the highest mortality rates in the world at 565.9 per million, compared to 48.2 and 60.0 for Norway and Finland, respectively. For total cases, Sweden had .0081 cases per million compared to .00177 and .00137 for Norway and Finland, respectively.

You'd hope that Sweden has gotten the worst out of the way, but currently they have 198 new cases and ~1 death per day (7 day average) compared to 49 new cases ~0 deaths per day for Norway and 18 new cases and ~1 death per day for Finland.

So if the pandemic ended today Sweden would've had 10x as many deaths as their neighbors, combined.

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(08-10-2020 07:30 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Hell, we have a few thousand drunk boaters from all over the country on the Torch Lake Sandbar every day of the summer packed in nut to butt. No masks. No social distancing. Nobody gives a damn.

(08-10-2020 08:09 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  Could it be argued that Sweden is at herd immunity, and the other two countries are still crawling to it?

(08-10-2020 08:13 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 07:30 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Hell, we have a few thousand drunk boaters from all over the country on the Torch Lake Sandbar every day of the summer packed in nut to butt. No masks. No social distancing. Nobody gives a damn.

I was out boating with a crew out on Tennessee this weekend. The difference in covid culture between Ohio and TN is night and day. In Ohio you wear a mask to every resteraunt, bar, whatever. In TN they were angry that kids are going to be required to wear masks in school (I didn't have the heart to tell them about football).

But, that's pretty much emblematic of the entire south since mid-june. The small towns didn't get hit had back in April and May and got complacent. I believe it was Dr. Birx who said their concern since mid june is that rural america is finally getting hit hard.

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(08-10-2020 08:13 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 07:30 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Hell, we have a few thousand drunk boaters from all over the country on the Torch Lake Sandbar every day of the summer packed in nut to butt. No masks. No social distancing. Nobody gives a damn.

I was out boating with a crew out on Tennessee this weekend. The difference in covid culture between Ohio and TN is night and day. In Ohio you wear a mask to every resteraunt, bar, whatever. In TN they were angry that kids are going to be required to wear masks in school (I didn't have the heart to tell them about football).

But, that's pretty much emblematic of the entire south since mid-june. The small towns didn't get hit had back in April and May and got complacent. I believe it was Dr. Birx who said their concern since mid june is that rural america is finally getting hit hard.

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(08-10-2020 08:23 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 08:13 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 07:30 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Hell, we have a few thousand drunk boaters from all over the country on the Torch Lake Sandbar every day of the summer packed in nut to butt. No masks. No social distancing. Nobody gives a damn.

I was out boating with a crew out on Tennessee this weekend. The difference in covid culture between Ohio and TN is night and day. In Ohio you wear a mask to every resteraunt, bar, whatever. In TN they were angry that kids are going to be required to wear masks in school (I didn't have the heart to tell them about football).

But, that's pretty much emblematic of the entire south since mid-june. The small towns didn't get hit had back in April and May and got complacent. I believe it was Dr. Birx who said their concern since mid june is that rural america is finally getting hit hard.

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And when they do, it will be brutal. Nearest hospital beds dozens of miles away. Few ICU units and ventilators. Grossly underserved when looking at doctors per capita. Combine all of that with many of the same factors that afflict poor inner city neighborhoods (obesity, diabetes, lack of health insurance, drug abuse), and it will be a tragedy.

(08-10-2020 08:21 AM)bww Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 08:13 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 07:30 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Hell, we have a few thousand drunk boaters from all over the country on the Torch Lake Sandbar every day of the summer packed in nut to butt. No masks. No social distancing. Nobody gives a damn.

I was out boating with a crew out on Tennessee this weekend. The difference in covid culture between Ohio and TN is night and day. In Ohio you wear a mask to every resteraunt, bar, whatever. In TN they were angry that kids are going to be required to wear masks in school (I didn't have the heart to tell them about football).

But, that's pretty much emblematic of the entire south since mid-june. The small towns didn't get hit had back in April and May and got complacent. I believe it was Dr. Birx who said their concern since mid june is that rural america is finally getting hit hard.

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What about Michigan?

(08-10-2020 08:36 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  She’s good at rules for thee, not me.

(08-10-2020 08:35 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 08:23 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  And when they do, it will be brutal. Nearest hospital beds dozens of miles away. Few ICU units and ventilators. Grossly underserved when looking at doctors per capita. Combine all of that with many of the same factors that afflict poor inner city neighborhoods (obesity, diabetes, lack of health insurance, drug abuse), and it will be a tragedy.

Funny how its always that next wave that's going to have the bodies piled in the streets.

(08-10-2020 08:21 AM)bww Wrote:  What about Michigan?

(08-10-2020 08:43 AM)bww Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 08:36 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  She’s good at rules for thee, not me.

Gotta love the ruling class!

(08-10-2020 09:41 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 08:43 AM)bww Wrote:  

(08-10-2020 08:36 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  She’s good at rules for thee, not me.

Gotta love the ruling class!

Oh she is the Queen of it. She had an order that nobody was allowed to travel to their vacation home and then her daughter graduates from high school and wanted a big party up here on the lake...she rescinded that one the weekend of the party.

Last week she passed an executive order that no outdoor groups could exceed 250 and then only 2 days later she attended an event with 800 people. She got all chippy when the media and constituents started asking WTF?

She is a dumpster fire.