(07-06-2020 01:10 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  I thought this would be a wise way to go about it but I remember hearing a recent study that the antibodies might not last as long in your body as they previously thought so getting it now might not make you immune for the season. Although given college kids are more likely to be struck by lightning than suffering a severe virus reaction it wouldn't make sense to spread it if there were no benefit.

(07-06-2020 05:36 PM)converrl Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 05:13 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 04:22 PM)converrl Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 11:12 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 10:33 AM)converrl Wrote:  Even with the uptick in mortality, after the numbers get adjusted, this will be on par with the flu.

Either go for it or go home.

Covid deaths are already AT LEAST double what last year's entire flu season deaths were (~24k-62k).

When you say "after the numbers get adjusted" you're just arbitrarily deciding to suppress the death toll to whatever you deem appropriate.

I'm guessing when it comes to the flu, however, youd be happy to go with the high end estimate of 60k for all of 2019.

Which would still be half of what coronavirus has done in 3 months.



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Since Health Insurance is footing the bill for covid hospitalizations and deaths, those numbers are being artificially inflated. They also make no distinction between dying "from" covid and dying "with" covid..this further padding the numbers...This comes to me from colleagues in the medical field...doctors and nurses.

The mortality rate continues to drop close to flu levels.

So what's the number? 10 people dead from covid? I just want to make sure the reliable information I read on the internet is accurate.

Track the total global death rates from CoVid and note that those numbers are inflated. How inflated comes with examination of the data after the pandemic is over...should be around vaccine time...if that ever comes.

Any time you have access to $$$ to pony up for something insurance wouldn't normally wouldn't cover, the Health Care Administrators are going to push for the pot of $$$$ that is basically open-access in the hope that it will pay out before you assign those deaths and hospitalizations to other causes. This is simply due to the need to cover operating expenses.

Again, this comes from associates who are working on the floor with these patients--these are unvarnished stories coming from their experience.

(07-06-2020 05:52 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 05:36 PM)converrl Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 05:13 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 04:22 PM)converrl Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 11:12 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Covid deaths are already AT LEAST double what last year's entire flu season deaths were (~24k-62k).

When you say "after the numbers get adjusted" you're just arbitrarily deciding to suppress the death toll to whatever you deem appropriate.

I'm guessing when it comes to the flu, however, youd be happy to go with the high end estimate of 60k for all of 2019.

Which would still be half of what coronavirus has done in 3 months.



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Since Health Insurance is footing the bill for covid hospitalizations and deaths, those numbers are being artificially inflated. They also make no distinction between dying "from" covid and dying "with" covid..this further padding the numbers...This comes to me from colleagues in the medical field...doctors and nurses.

The mortality rate continues to drop close to flu levels.

So what's the number? 10 people dead from covid? I just want to make sure the reliable information I read on the internet is accurate.

Track the total global death rates from CoVid and note that those numbers are inflated. How inflated comes with examination of the data after the pandemic is over...should be around vaccine time...if that ever comes.

Any time you have access to $$$ to pony up for something insurance wouldn't normally wouldn't cover, the Health Care Administrators are going to push for the pot of $$$$ that is basically open-access in the hope that it will pay out before you assign those deaths and hospitalizations to other causes. This is simply due to the need to cover operating expenses.

Again, this comes from associates who are working on the floor with these patients--these are unvarnished stories coming from their experience.

So it's nothing more than an insurance fraud scheme? Zero deaths it is. Off to Facebook I go.

(07-06-2020 08:31 PM)converrl Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 05:52 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 05:36 PM)converrl Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 05:13 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 04:22 PM)converrl Wrote:  Since Health Insurance is footing the bill for covid hospitalizations and deaths, those numbers are being artificially inflated. They also make no distinction between dying "from" covid and dying "with" covid..this further padding the numbers...This comes to me from colleagues in the medical field...doctors and nurses.

The mortality rate continues to drop close to flu levels.

So what's the number? 10 people dead from covid? I just want to make sure the reliable information I read on the internet is accurate.

Track the total global death rates from CoVid and note that those numbers are inflated. How inflated comes with examination of the data after the pandemic is over...should be around vaccine time...if that ever comes.

Any time you have access to $$$ to pony up for something insurance wouldn't normally wouldn't cover, the Health Care Administrators are going to push for the pot of $$$$ that is basically open-access in the hope that it will pay out before you assign those deaths and hospitalizations to other causes. This is simply due to the need to cover operating expenses.

Again, this comes from associates who are working on the floor with these patients--these are unvarnished stories coming from their experience.

So it's nothing more than an insurance fraud scheme? Zero deaths it is. Off to Facebook I go.

Not what I said at all, but fine...distort my meaning...that's SOP for your ilk.

(07-06-2020 05:36 PM)converrl Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 05:13 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 04:22 PM)converrl Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 11:12 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 10:33 AM)converrl Wrote:  Even with the uptick in mortality, after the numbers get adjusted, this will be on par with the flu.

Either go for it or go home.

Covid deaths are already AT LEAST double what last year's entire flu season deaths were (~24k-62k).

When you say "after the numbers get adjusted" you're just arbitrarily deciding to suppress the death toll to whatever you deem appropriate.

I'm guessing when it comes to the flu, however, youd be happy to go with the high end estimate of 60k for all of 2019.

Which would still be half of what coronavirus has done in 3 months.



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Since Health Insurance is footing the bill for covid hospitalizations and deaths, those numbers are being artificially inflated. They also make no distinction between dying "from" covid and dying "with" covid..this further padding the numbers...This comes to me from colleagues in the medical field...doctors and nurses.

The mortality rate continues to drop close to flu levels.

So what's the number? 10 people dead from covid? I just want to make sure the reliable information I read on the internet is accurate.

Track the total global death rates from CoVid and note that those numbers are inflated. How inflated comes with examination of the data after the pandemic is over...should be around vaccine time...if that ever comes.

Any time you have access to $$$ to pony up for something insurance wouldn't normally wouldn't cover, the Health Care Administrators are going to push for the pot of $$$$ that is basically open-access in the hope that it will pay out before you assign those deaths and hospitalizations to other causes. This is simply due to the need to cover operating expenses.

Again, this comes from associates who are working on the floor with these patients--these are unvarnished stories coming from their experience.

(07-06-2020 09:18 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 08:31 PM)converrl Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 05:52 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 05:36 PM)converrl Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 05:13 PM)MickMack Wrote:  So what's the number? 10 people dead from covid? I just want to make sure the reliable information I read on the internet is accurate.

Track the total global death rates from CoVid and note that those numbers are inflated. How inflated comes with examination of the data after the pandemic is over...should be around vaccine time...if that ever comes.

Any time you have access to $$$ to pony up for something insurance wouldn't normally wouldn't cover, the Health Care Administrators are going to push for the pot of $$$$ that is basically open-access in the hope that it will pay out before you assign those deaths and hospitalizations to other causes. This is simply due to the need to cover operating expenses.

Again, this comes from associates who are working on the floor with these patients--these are unvarnished stories coming from their experience.

So it's nothing more than an insurance fraud scheme? Zero deaths it is. Off to Facebook I go.

Not what I said at all, but fine...distort my meaning...that's SOP for your ilk.

What's my ilk?

(07-06-2020 10:13 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 05:36 PM)converrl Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 05:13 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 04:22 PM)converrl Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 11:12 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Covid deaths are already AT LEAST double what last year's entire flu season deaths were (~24k-62k).

When you say "after the numbers get adjusted" you're just arbitrarily deciding to suppress the death toll to whatever you deem appropriate.

I'm guessing when it comes to the flu, however, youd be happy to go with the high end estimate of 60k for all of 2019.

Which would still be half of what coronavirus has done in 3 months.



Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

Since Health Insurance is footing the bill for covid hospitalizations and deaths, those numbers are being artificially inflated. They also make no distinction between dying "from" covid and dying "with" covid..this further padding the numbers...This comes to me from colleagues in the medical field...doctors and nurses.

The mortality rate continues to drop close to flu levels.

So what's the number? 10 people dead from covid? I just want to make sure the reliable information I read on the internet is accurate.

Track the total global death rates from CoVid and note that those numbers are inflated. How inflated comes with examination of the data after the pandemic is over...should be around vaccine time...if that ever comes.

Any time you have access to $$$ to pony up for something insurance wouldn't normally wouldn't cover, the Health Care Administrators are going to push for the pot of $$$$ that is basically open-access in the hope that it will pay out before you assign those deaths and hospitalizations to other causes. This is simply due to the need to cover operating expenses.

Again, this comes from associates who are working on the floor with these patients--these are unvarnished stories coming from their experience.

unvarnished? Coming from the boards conspiracy crazy person? Lololololololol

(07-06-2020 05:36 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 01:10 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  I thought this would be a wise way to go about it but I remember hearing a recent study that the antibodies might not last as long in your body as they previously thought so getting it now might not make you immune for the season. Although given college kids are more likely to be struck by lightning than suffering a severe virus reaction it wouldn't make sense to spread it if there were no benefit.

Not sure if this is the one you're talking about, but a study released today in Lancet showed that, from a representative sampling of Spain's population (>61,000 across the board), only ~5% of people currently had the antibodies for it. Making it really difficult to envision herd immunity as an objective.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31483-5/fulltext

(07-07-2020 06:41 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  After 10 straight weeks of declining mortality rates we are thankfully on the verge of the CDC removing Covid from its epidemic classification due to not meeting the benchmarks it establishes...will be interesting to watch the goalposts move again when that happens because you’d need a search warrant to find this info in the news...instead you can go to the CDC website.

(07-06-2020 11:07 PM)converrl Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 09:18 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 08:31 PM)converrl Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 05:52 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 05:36 PM)converrl Wrote:  Track the total global death rates from CoVid and note that those numbers are inflated. How inflated comes with examination of the data after the pandemic is over...should be around vaccine time...if that ever comes.

Any time you have access to $$$ to pony up for something insurance wouldn't normally wouldn't cover, the Health Care Administrators are going to push for the pot of $$$$ that is basically open-access in the hope that it will pay out before you assign those deaths and hospitalizations to other causes. This is simply due to the need to cover operating expenses.

Again, this comes from associates who are working on the floor with these patients--these are unvarnished stories coming from their experience.

So it's nothing more than an insurance fraud scheme? Zero deaths it is. Off to Facebook I go.

Not what I said at all, but fine...distort my meaning...that's SOP for your ilk.

What's my ilk?

left

(07-07-2020 08:03 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  

(07-07-2020 06:41 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  After 10 straight weeks of declining mortality rates we are thankfully on the verge of the CDC removing Covid from its epidemic classification due to not meeting the benchmarks it establishes...will be interesting to watch the goalposts move again when that happens because you’d need a search warrant to find this info in the news...instead you can go to the CDC website.

Wow. That's incredible. Where would I find this information at on the CDC website?

(07-07-2020 05:44 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  If you believe this, and I don't, this would be the virus to end it all. Vaccines wouldn't work and the virus could infect you week after week. That's never really happened before. That doesn't mean it couldn't happen.

I don't think they are necessarily lying. I just don't think they exactly know what they looking for. It might be wishful thinking on my part. Nature always seems to sort this out on it's own.

I look at an area like New York. The virus has pretty close to burned itself out. You are going to tell that's due to T-Shirt masks. I don't believe that's the case. According to top scientists T-Shirt masks buy you an extra few minutes of exposure time. Mathematically it doesn't seem like that would cause the curve to nose dive like it has. I'm guessing that it more has to do with herd immunity.

I will turn this back on you. If you believe that herd immunity is impossible, what's the move? And this isn't an attack on you. I actually would like to know your thoughts.

Quote:But as the share of patients with infections from community transmission increases, the mortality rate has still declined. Several factors might explain this: Current patients are younger and less likely to die, hospitals are admitting less severe cases because more beds are available, and doctors and nurses have learned from experience. Bob Wachter, chair of the University of California-San Francisco Department of Medicine, posted a list of “Things We’ve Gotten Better At Since March”; it includes a number of improvements that could affect in-hospital mortality, such as better monitoring of vital signs and a more effective use of prone (face-down) positioning, which has been observed to improve oxygen levels in severely ill COVID-19 patients.

(07-07-2020 09:30 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I’ll give you a tip that you may not appreciate now but could someday. It’s a central point in classes that I give to new attorneys but is a transferable skill to any endeavor.

I have never lost a case at trial. Now that doesn’t mean I am Perry Mason of civil cases or that I am brighter than anyone at the other table. Quite the opposite on both counts.

It means this: I was taught something early that most people, especially attorneys who advocate never quite grasp. First, be scared of what you don’t know that you don’t know. More importantly, and this is where our society collectively fails spectacularly in this age of intractable issue advocacy, always assume you could be wrong and try every day to prove to yourself, not that you are correct, but that you missed the trees due to the forest. It happens more to all of us than we care to admit. That is the true meaning of “taking the red pill”.

Nobody was more concerned about the seriousness of this virus in March and April than me. The more I have tried to discover what I don’t know that I don’t know, the more that I worked to prove myself wrong, the more pros I have spoken to on the topic, and the less that I’ve just accepted what the group thinks, the more my views on this have changed. It’s not nearly as deadly and not nearly as easily spread as we were made to accept as fact.

Right now, this is the flu which is in itself very serious for a small segment of the population. Those people should take all appropriate steps to protect themselves. It’s just not grab your bug out bag serious for the rest of us. We have another flu season to contend with going forward.

We will likely have another big wave of this in late summer and early fall but it will miraculously dissipate by thanksgiving.

(07-07-2020 09:48 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  There will be classes for them to attend.