(08-31-2020 07:46 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  I like how we finally hear a good opinion from an ICU doctor and people completely ignore it to continue their seance of conspiracy theories.

Kinda explains a lot about this pandemic.

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(08-31-2020 07:46 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  I like how we finally hear a good opinion from an ICU doctor and people completely ignore it to continue their seance of conspiracy theories.

Kinda explains a lot about this pandemic.

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(08-31-2020 07:57 AM)bearcats23 Wrote:  

(08-31-2020 07:46 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  I like how we finally hear a good opinion from an ICU doctor and people completely ignore it to continue their seance of conspiracy theories.

Kinda explains a lot about this pandemic.

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And I like how you and Mark continue to call everything a "conspiracy theory" to help your argument sound better while completely ignoring the fact that this thing has been significantly politicized by the Democrats for their gain. Are you telling me that this isn't happening? It's just a conspiracy theory right?

We aren't saying this virus is fake, and we're not saying that all Democrats have some secret conspiracy going, we're simply saying that the Democratic party is pumping this thing as if it's going to kill us all in order to cause mass hysteria in order to make Trump look bad. But apparently we're just imagining this and we're just some loony conspiracy theorists.

(08-31-2020 08:16 AM)jarr Wrote:  

(08-31-2020 07:57 AM)bearcats23 Wrote:  

(08-31-2020 07:46 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  I like how we finally hear a good opinion from an ICU doctor and people completely ignore it to continue their seance of conspiracy theories.

Kinda explains a lot about this pandemic.

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And I like how you and Mark continue to call everything a "conspiracy theory" to help your argument sound better while completely ignoring the fact that this thing has been significantly politicized by the Democrats for their gain. Are you telling me that this isn't happening? It's just a conspiracy theory right?

We aren't saying this virus is fake, and we're not saying that all Democrats have some secret conspiracy going, we're simply saying that the Democratic party is pumping this thing as if it's going to kill us all in order to cause mass hysteria in order to make Trump look bad. But apparently we're just imagining this and we're just some loony conspiracy theorists.

It might actually work for them if they weren't so blatant in their hypocrisy. They seriously underestimate the average Americans intelligence, and just assume we are all in on the bullsh*t they feed us.

(08-31-2020 08:16 AM)jarr Wrote:  It might actually work for them if they weren't so blatant in their hypocrisy. They seriously underestimate the average Americans intelligence, and just assume we are all in on the bullsh*t they feed us.

(08-31-2020 09:03 AM)bearcats23 Wrote:  Definitely agree. This is why I have been trying to expose the hypocrisy to our COVID pumpers on the board. 20,000 - 80,000 flu deaths annually...year after year after year after year and we don't change a dang thing. Yet we shut it down, cancel everything, mandate face diapers, etc. for COVID, which has killed <10,000 healthy people, and 175,000 who had comorbidities. Which is why I've asked the question multiple times and haven't gotten a response. How many deaths are needed before we change our behavior?

Instead of answering that question Mark and Catyclysmo will just make some snarky comment about how I'm comparing the flu to COVID, which is not what I'm doing. I'm comparing our response to the the two viruses, and trying to determine how many deaths are needed for us to start freaking out.

(08-31-2020 07:57 AM)bearcats23 Wrote:  while completely ignoring the fact that this thing has been significantly politicized by the Democrats for their gain. Are you telling me that this isn't happening? It's just a conspiracy theory right?

(08-31-2020 09:11 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(08-31-2020 09:03 AM)bearcats23 Wrote:  Definitely agree. This is why I have been trying to expose the hypocrisy to our COVID pumpers on the board. 20,000 - 80,000 flu deaths annually...year after year after year after year and we don't change a dang thing. Yet we shut it down, cancel everything, mandate face diapers, etc. for COVID, which has killed <10,000 healthy people, and 175,000 who had comorbidities. Which is why I've asked the question multiple times and haven't gotten a response. How many deaths are needed before we change our behavior?

Instead of answering that question Mark and Catyclysmo will just make some snarky comment about how I'm comparing the flu to COVID, which is not what I'm doing. I'm comparing our response to the the two viruses, and trying to determine how many deaths are needed for us to start freaking out.

We've answered. You have a specific response in mind that doesn't fit your narrow viewpoint.

There isn't a quantifiable specific number. It's all about balancing.

To say we don't change our behavior regarding flu isn't accurate. We've changed our behavior many times. We focused dollars and resources toward flu shots, research and other manners. When there are particularly bad flu outbreaks in individual districts those schools have been known to shut down. The reason the comparison with flu even with our purpose is a stupid comparison is that we know far more about the flu. We have means to keep its spread and affect more manageable. We have treatments, we have vaccination. We understand how it spreads, we understand risk both short term and long term.

With COVID-19 we are learning. But again we have 180,000+ deaths DESPITE shutting down for a month. Despite shutting down large gatherings, despite mask wearing (though if we did better with these we'd be in a better situation), despite any number of precautions taken. We have studies showing that the high end do nothing number was in the millions (BTW even the President has said this). The bottom line is the risk from COVID-19 is greater and the unknowns are substantial. Republican governors in Ohio and Alabama haven't been duped by some grand liberal, deep state, global conspiracy to take down Trump. They understand the unprecedented risk and have taken action.

(08-31-2020 07:46 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  I like how we finally hear a good opinion from an ICU doctor and people completely ignore it to continue their seance of conspiracy theories.

Kinda explains a lot about this pandemic.

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(08-31-2020 09:21 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  

(08-31-2020 07:57 AM)bearcats23 Wrote:  while completely ignoring the fact that this thing has been significantly politicized by the Democrats for their gain. Are you telling me that this isn't happening? It's just a conspiracy theory right?

I do think this is happening.

I don't think it's reason to believe the entire pandemic is part of some nefarious scheme to hurt Trump.

I try my hardest to post primary research sources specifically to avoid the standard political talking points.

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(08-31-2020 11:48 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(08-31-2020 09:21 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  

(08-31-2020 07:57 AM)bearcats23 Wrote:  while completely ignoring the fact that this thing has been significantly politicized by the Democrats for their gain. Are you telling me that this isn't happening? It's just a conspiracy theory right?

I do think this is happening.

I don't think it's reason to believe the entire pandemic is part of some nefarious scheme to hurt Trump.

I try my hardest to post primary research sources specifically to avoid the standard political talking points.

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It's not the pandemic that's the scheme.

The response to the pandemic is the scheme.

This didn't happen in '09 with H1N1 because Democrats were happy that Prez Ears was in office and republicans weren't willing to blow up the country to get him out.

That's not the case in 2020 now that the shoe's on the other foot.

(08-31-2020 11:48 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(08-31-2020 09:21 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  

(08-31-2020 07:57 AM)bearcats23 Wrote:  while completely ignoring the fact that this thing has been significantly politicized by the Democrats for their gain. Are you telling me that this isn't happening? It's just a conspiracy theory right?

I do think this is happening.

I don't think it's reason to believe the entire pandemic is part of some nefarious scheme to hurt Trump.

I try my hardest to post primary research sources specifically to avoid the standard political talking points.

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It's not the pandemic that's the scheme.

The response to the pandemic is the scheme.

This didn't happen in '09 with H1N1 because Democrats were happy that Prez Ears was in office and republicans weren't willing to blow up the country to get him out.

That's not the case in 2020 now that the shoe's on the other foot.

(08-31-2020 12:55 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Conspiracy Theory culture is out of control.

(08-31-2020 12:40 PM)skylinecat Wrote:  

(08-31-2020 11:48 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  [quote='Cataclysmo' pid='16969502' dateline='1598883689']
[quote='bearcats23' pid='16969372' dateline='1598878668']
while completely ignoring the fact that this thing has been significantly politicized by the Democrats for their gain. Are you telling me that this isn't happening? It's just a conspiracy theory right?

" Boris Johnson saying he was going to step down due to lingering health issues was just a scheme?"