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Drugstore Cowboy - green - 04-01-2020 04:56 PM
https://twitter.com/CredicoRandy/status/1245466927738355714
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RE: Drugstore Cowboy - shere khan - 04-01-2020 05:06 PM
These people are pure prog filth.
RE: Drugstore Cowboy - TripleA - 04-01-2020 05:12 PM
Didn't take long to spin that, did it?
RE: Drugstore Cowboy - Owl 69/70/75 - 04-01-2020 05:40 PM
OMG, where on earth did they come up with that stuff?
RE: Drugstore Cowboy - Attackcoog - 04-01-2020 06:09 PM
(04-01-2020 05:40 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: OMG, where on earth did they come up with that stuff?
lol....I figured they were doing it so the Littoral Combat Ships would have something to do thats within rowing distance of the US shore.
RE: Drugstore Cowboy - Owl 69/70/75 - 04-01-2020 06:22 PM
(04-01-2020 06:09 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:(04-01-2020 05:40 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: OMG, where on earth did they come up with that stuff?lol....I figured they were doing it so the Littoral Combat Ships would have something to do thats within rowing distance of the US shore.
Frankly, I think the Navy should just give the LCSs to the Coast Guard and write off that chapter in history. Only problem, Coast Guard doesn't want them. Not even for free.
RE: Drugstore Cowboy - Attackcoog - 04-01-2020 07:22 PM
(04-01-2020 06:22 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:(04-01-2020 06:09 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:(04-01-2020 05:40 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: OMG, where on earth did they come up with that stuff?lol....I figured they were doing it so the Littoral Combat Ships would have something to do thats within rowing distance of the US shore.
Frankly, I think the Navy should just give the LCSs to the Coast Guard and write off that chapter in history. Only problem, Coast Guard doesn't want them. Not even for free.
Not surprised. Nobody wants a car with an engine that doesnt work. They need to fix the darn thing. Car builders fix engines that have a flaw on the fly all the time. Figure out whats failing and make it better/stronger etc. We are going to have 35 of these stupid hulls so we better figure out a way to make them work well enough to be useful for something.
RE: Drugstore Cowboy - vandiver49 - 04-01-2020 07:27 PM
(04-01-2020 07:22 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:(04-01-2020 06:22 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:(04-01-2020 06:09 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:(04-01-2020 05:40 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: OMG, where on earth did they come up with that stuff?lol....I figured they were doing it so the Littoral Combat Ships would have something to do thats within rowing distance of the US shore.
Frankly, I think the Navy should just give the LCSs to the Coast Guard and write off that chapter in history. Only problem, Coast Guard doesn't want them. Not even for free.
Not surprised. Nobody wants a car with an engine that doesnt work. They need to fix the darn thing. Car builders fix engines that have a flaw on the fly all the time. Figure out whats failing and make it better/stronger etc. We are going to have 35 of these stupid hulls so we better figure out a way to make them work well enough to be useful for something.
They can't. That what you get in the U.S. if you want a $500M warship. Redesigning the engines, giving it an actual hull and a legit combat system would push the cost up to $1B. At that point you'd be better off just buy the USGC Legend Class Cutter.
RE: Drugstore Cowboy - Owl 69/70/75 - 04-01-2020 10:37 PM
(04-01-2020 07:27 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:(04-01-2020 07:22 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:They can't. That what you get in the U.S. if you want a $500M warship. Redesigning the engines, giving it an actual hull and a legit combat system would push the cost up to $1B. At that point you'd be better off just buy the USGC Legend Class Cutter.(04-01-2020 06:22 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:Not surprised. Nobody wants a car with an engine that doesnt work. They need to fix the darn thing. Car builders fix engines that have a flaw on the fly all the time. Figure out whats failing and make it better/stronger etc. We are going to have 35 of these stupid hulls so we better figure out a way to make them work well enough to be useful for something.(04-01-2020 06:09 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:Frankly, I think the Navy should just give the LCSs to the Coast Guard and write off that chapter in history. Only problem, Coast Guard doesn't want them. Not even for free.(04-01-2020 05:40 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: OMG, where on earth did they come up with that stuff?lol....I figured they were doing it so the Littoral Combat Ships would have something to do thats within rowing distance of the US shore.
Then there's the Gerald Ford class aircraft carriers. $15 billion a pop. The money went to develop new electromagnetic catapults (don't work), new computerized arresting gear (don't work), new electronic magazine lifts (don't work). And now the toilets don't work.
RE: Drugstore Cowboy - vandiver49 - 04-02-2020 01:11 AM
(04-01-2020 10:37 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: Then there's the Gerald Ford class aircraft carriers. $15 billion a pop. The money went to develop new electromagnetic catapults (don't work), new computerized arresting gear (don't work), new electronic magazine lifts (don't work). And now the toilets don't work.
Owl#, you and I both know that Navy procurement has been a MIC crapshow for the last 15 years. That said, at least I can understand the desire by the USN to remove ship service steam from CVN's. The crime was not testing any of these new systems AT SEA. The fact that the EMALS was called successful based purely off of tests at Pax River is proof that NAVSEA's thorough infiltration by General Atomics.
RE: Drugstore Cowboy - Owl 69/70/75 - 04-02-2020 03:04 AM
(04-02-2020 01:11 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:(04-01-2020 10:37 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: Then there's the Gerald Ford class aircraft carriers. $15 billion a pop. The money went to develop new electromagnetic catapults (don't work), new computerized arresting gear (don't work), new electronic magazine lifts (don't work). And now the toilets don't work.Owl#, you and I both know that Navy procurement has been a MIC crapshow for the last 15 years. That said, at least I can understand the desire by the USN to remove ship service steam from CVN's. The crime was not testing any of these new systems AT SEA. The fact that the EMALS was called successful based purely off of tests at Pax River is proof that NAVSEA's thorough infiltration by General Atomics.
Zumwalt, Ford, LCS--all useless wastes of incredible amounts of money. If you want to build one to test stuff out, build one. Don't build another before everything on the first one works. Go back to building Nimitzes until the Ford works. Go back to building Perrys and Knoxes until the LCSs work. Go back to building Burkes and Ticonderogas until the Zumwalt works. And don't even get this old gator sailor started on amphibs. We put all our eggs into one hugely expensive LHA/LHD basket, too expensive to risk with 25-50 miles of shore, and we have no connectors to get a credible force ashore from that far out--helos can't lift heavy stuff, boats are too slow, LCACs are too unreliable, and attrition would kill all of them. Zumwalt's high/low mix was right--some super-snazzy gadgets are great, but war is attrition, and you need numbers. As the Russians say, quantity has a quality of its own.
And don't overbuild the F-35 to meet three incompatible needs. The Navy needs a) a fighter/interceptor with long-range sensors, standoff air-to-air weapons, and exceptional maneuverability and visibility in case you end up in a dogfight, b) a long-range attack aircraft with long legs, stealth, and a big weapons load, c) for the Marines, an attack aircraft that can carry a bunch of CAS weapons and can launch/recover on short, unprepared airstrips if necessary. The F-35 is d) none of the above.