(03-25-2020 01:48 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  What is your source, JR?? Just curious.

(03-25-2020 02:17 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-25-2020 01:48 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  What is your source, JR?? Just curious.

The 2018-9 Fiscal year tax returns as provided by Equity in Athletics. It's a bit labor intensive to extract information but their site is easy to navigate. The difficult part is that it has to be done for each of the 65 P schools individually, and they have much more than just the P schools. You can look up most any school's numbers.

I use gross revenue totals because that is the total amount of income from an athletic department. The rest showing expenses is mostly creative accounting. But in the Revenue and Expenses section you can see how much basketball brought in, how much football brought in, how much all other sports brought in, and a category that reflects donations.

I use this because it shows the ability of the schools to generate revenue. How they spend it I'm less concerned with. To collect the information, assimilate and total it, and post it can take 4 hours of work.

But I think most of the information that indicates who may or may not be potential targets for expansion is derived from these numbers, from attendance, and from the WSJ's annual valuations. If there was a clear data set for which schools draw the best rates for advertising during their games I'd list that too. Stever20 usually gives us the ratings of the televised games.

Put all of that together and it starts to make sense.

(03-25-2020 02:17 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-25-2020 01:48 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  What is your source, JR?? Just curious.

The 2018-9 Fiscal year tax returns as provided by Equity in Athletics. It's a bit labor intensive to extract information but their site is easy to navigate. The difficult part is that it has to be done for each of the 65 P schools individually, and they have much more than just the P schools. You can look up most any school's numbers.

I use gross revenue totals because that is the total amount of income from an athletic department. The rest showing expenses is mostly creative accounting. But in the Revenue and Expenses section you can see how much basketball brought in, how much football brought in, how much all other sports brought in, and a category that reflects donations.

I use this because it shows the ability of the schools to generate revenue. How they spend it I'm less concerned with. To collect the information, assimilate and total it, and post it can take 4 hours of work.

But I think most of the information that indicates who may or may not be potential targets for expansion is derived from these numbers, from attendance, and from the WSJ's annual valuations. If there was a clear data set for which schools draw the best rates for advertising during their games I'd list that too. Stever20 usually gives us the ratings of the televised games.

Put all of that together and it starts to make sense.

(03-25-2020 10:00 PM)bullet Wrote:  JR-how did you get those numbers?

I pulled up the schools and added revenues from men's, women's, coed and unallocated. For Texas I came up with $274,006,153. That seems WAY too high. Your number seems about right.

I was trying to pull up the AAC numbers and compared Texas to see if I was doing it consistent with you, but obviously I wasn't.

My AAC numbers seemed reasonable, ranging from 28 million for Wichita to 39 million for Tulane up to 71 million for UCF and 78 million for UConn.

(03-26-2020 08:32 AM)TerryD Wrote:  Notre Dame must be earning revenue as a football independent from somewhere other than a great conference TV deal and big conference payouts.

It is not doing so badly at $169,547,675.

ND is currently sixth in the nation in revenue, only trailing one school in the SEC (Georgia), two in the Big Ten (Ohio State and Michigan), one in the ACC (Florida State) and one in the Big 12 (Texas).

(03-27-2020 01:24 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 08:32 AM)TerryD Wrote:  Notre Dame must be earning revenue as a football independent from somewhere other than a great conference TV deal and big conference payouts.

It is not doing so badly at $169,547,675.

ND is currently sixth in the nation in revenue, only trailing one school in the SEC (Georgia), two in the Big Ten (Ohio State and Michigan), one in the ACC (Florida State) and one in the Big 12 (Texas).

Notre Dame got a good bump last year! They took in 132 in 2016-17 and 149 in 2017-18. They have easily stayed in the top 20 for total revenue the last several years. Their peers are who you would expect, which are the cream of the crop revenue producers in the BIG, ACC, SEC, and Big 12. They outproduce the top PAC schools by a pretty decent margin.

(03-25-2020 11:16 PM)JRsec Wrote:  [quote='bullet' pid='16753400' dateline='1585191614']
JR-how did you get those numbers?

(03-27-2020 07:37 PM)nole Wrote:  

(03-25-2020 11:16 PM)JRsec Wrote:  [quote='bullet' pid='16753400' dateline='1585191614']
JR-how did you get those numbers?

JR:

"#Florida State's revenue was skewed by 78 million in contributions outside of sports revenue. This accounted for a 5.6 million average bump per school in the conferences payout average for Gross Revenue.
The ACC really received a nice 3 million bump per school over the previous year"

I know nothing about $78 million in contributions. How do you know about this? Any detail?

(03-25-2020 11:16 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-25-2020 10:00 PM)bullet Wrote:  JR-how did you get those numbers?

I pulled up the schools and added revenues from men's, women's, coed and unallocated. For Texas I came up with $274,006,153. That seems WAY too high. Your number seems about right.

I was trying to pull up the AAC numbers and compared Texas to see if I was doing it consistent with you, but obviously I wasn't.

My AAC numbers seemed reasonable, ranging from 28 million for Wichita to 39 million for Tulane up to 71 million for UCF and 78 million for UConn.

I have equity in athletics' link pinned to my screen. When the reports are all in I go there typo in each school's name hit continue, next screen has their name in bold so I click on hit and hit continue and it takes you to their main page where you click on revenue and expenses. You scroll down and there will be a total for all revenue and that total usually (but depending upon the school) will include Football, Basketball, All other Sports, and various headings which include contributions and then a total.

Auburn for instance took in somewhere around 61 million on just football, about 16 on basketball, then some figure for all other sports, but then with all other revenue it in the 150 million range.

This is why gross total revenue is the stat I look for. Every school breaks down their revenue differently, but not the Gross Total. It's reflective of the breadth and depth of support so is a good figure to go by. The rest is just accounting.

(03-29-2020 01:05 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Anyone care to guess how much lower the 2020 numbers will be compared to 2019?

25%, 50%, or 75% lower? Which programs will take the biggest financial hits?

(03-29-2020 04:43 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Where do an athletic department's biggest donors get their money? Let's say a program is dependent on donors who are in the oil industry. The price of gasoline here has dropped by a dollar a gallon in the last month. There are predictions the price of oil might drop to $10/barrel. Those donors are going to donate a lot less to the athletic department going forward. Might be similar for donors in the travel industry and a few others.