(08-17-2020 07:32 PM)Grommet Wrote:  UNC switches to online learning after 177 cases in 1st week
https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1295456716453294084?s=20

(08-17-2020 06:57 PM)bluelight Wrote:  

(08-17-2020 04:02 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(08-17-2020 02:46 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  

(08-17-2020 02:38 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-17-2020 02:36 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  Imagine if Trump told people to wear a mask and social distance from the beginning? He'd probably have gone down as one of the greats, saving tens or hundreds of thousands of Americans and successfully steering the economy through a national crisis.

As much I dislike Trump, in an alternate history where the US successfully navigates the pandemic, he probably goes on to win a 2nd term. Naturally though - and unsurprisingly - the man can't get out of his own way.

Some cloth and six feet lay between him and greatness.

TRUMP HAD THE CAPABILITY TO INFORCE FASK COVERINGS AND DISTANCE MONTHS AGO. HE WAS JUST A BIGOT WHO WOULD NOT LISTEN TO OTHER PEOPLE. HIS LACK OF TURNING EVERYTHING TO THE STATES, WAS A MISTAKE. HE HAD THE ABILITY TO TAKE NATIONAL CONTROL, FROM THE BEGINNING, INSTEAD HE DID NOT, NOW HE WANTS TO PUT ALL THE BLAME ON CONGRESS AND THE DEMOCRATS AND STATE GOVERNORS. ON ANY ISSUE, TRUMP FEELS HE IS NOT TO BE BLAMED AND I AM NOT A DEMOCRATE, ONLY FOR THE PERSON I THINK IS BEST FOR THE COUNTRY. IF NEITHER WOULD HELP THE COUNTRY, THEN I LOSE MY RIGHT.


Let's pump the breaks there a bit. But he would likely had much better shot at reelection if he even appeared to give a ****.

I mean think about it though: Presidents are often remembered for one, maybe two important moments in their Presidency. The national policies are forgotten in time except to historians.

IMO, Trump was a disaster before the pandemic but this was his defining moment. Congress doesn't make for a great unifying symbol so it is often the President - elected by all 50 states (we can argue the process later) - who is a nation's symbol of unity...both at home and to the world.

I can't imagine anyone failing harder than Trump has during this pandemic. It'd be comical if so many people weren't dying because of it, but that's his legacy now.

You do realize that the media and the Dems take the opposite position of the President on everything, right? If the President had come out like a ham handed dictator mandating that businesses close, and sent the Federal Mask Police to every city in America to enforce universal masking all the Dems and all the media would be screaming from the mountain top about what a terrible dictator he is.

(08-18-2020 09:30 AM)smudge12 Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 09:22 AM)EverydayInVA Wrote:  What qualifies as success? Spanish flu killed between 20-50 million including over 600k in the US, Covid has killed 773k worldwide and 170k in the US. Sounds like the media has blown this WAAAAAY out of proportion.

The Spanish flu pandemic lasted 25 months in the US.

We're currently in month 7.

The Spanish flu was deadlier per month, but we're also talking about a century of medical advances between then and now.

(08-18-2020 02:14 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  The Glendale School District in LA County has come up with an interesting idea to follow the requirements of the LA Health Department but still serve families of working parents or those without technology.

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/some-glendale-schools-plan-to-bring-students-back-to-classroom-but-not-their-teachers/

They are basically transforming the schools into remote learning pods. The teaching will still be virtual, but the kids will be in an environment that provides plenty of support that doesn’t have to come from their family. And they get breakfast and lunch. Their will be much less exposure to adults as well. Certainly not perfect but I think it helps to serve the at risk population.

(08-17-2020 08:50 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(08-17-2020 08:49 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(08-17-2020 06:57 PM)bluelight Wrote:  

(08-17-2020 04:02 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(08-17-2020 02:46 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  I mean think about it though: Presidents are often remembered for one, maybe two important moments in their Presidency. The national policies are forgotten in time except to historians.

IMO, Trump was a disaster before the pandemic but this was his defining moment. Congress doesn't make for a great unifying symbol so it is often the President - elected by all 50 states (we can argue the process later) - who is a nation's symbol of unity...both at home and to the world.

I can't imagine anyone failing harder than Trump has during this pandemic. It'd be comical if so many people weren't dying because of it, but that's his legacy now.

You do realize that the media, who are the Dems, take the opposite position of the President on everything, right? If the President had come out like a ham handed dictator mandating that businesses close, and sent the Federal Mask Police to every city in America to enforce universal masking all the Dems and all the media would be screaming from the mountain top about what a terrible dictator he is.

FIFU

Haha. True.

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TRUMP IS A BIGOT AND ALWAYS WILL, ONLY THINKS OF HIS Ego! I'm not a party man, but neither parties look good now. Maybe, I will just give up my right, for the first time. I'm not voting for a known bigot. He fooled me in 2016, but never again.

(08-18-2020 10:03 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 09:30 AM)smudge12 Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 09:22 AM)EverydayInVA Wrote:  What qualifies as success? Spanish flu killed between 20-50 million including over 600k in the US, Covid has killed 773k worldwide and 170k in the US. Sounds like the media has blown this WAAAAAY out of proportion.

The Spanish flu pandemic lasted 25 months in the US.

We're currently in month 7.

The Spanish flu was deadlier per month, but we're also talking about a century of medical advances between then and now.

Spanish Flu would be over by now. We know a lot more about influenza and creating vaccines for them than we do Coronaviruses.

(08-18-2020 02:25 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 02:14 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  The Glendale School District in LA County has come up with an interesting idea to follow the requirements of the LA Health Department but still serve families of working parents or those without technology.

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/some-glendale-schools-plan-to-bring-students-back-to-classroom-but-not-their-teachers/

They are basically transforming the schools into remote learning pods. The teaching will still be virtual, but the kids will be in an environment that provides plenty of support that doesn’t have to come from their family. And they get breakfast and lunch. Their will be much less exposure to adults as well. Certainly not perfect but I think it helps to serve the at risk population.

Still not sure I understand why a non-teaching adult (probably making $10/hour) can be there supervising this, but an actual teacher (probably making $80k+ in LA) can't. I agree it is better than nothing, but it is still bs.

(08-18-2020 02:34 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Yep, this just affirms that it is not about the safety of the students, as school administrators tell us incessantly. It is all about the Teachers' Unions. VB is actually going to have kids in rec centers and other places. Again, not sure how that is better than being in an actual school.

(08-18-2020 02:43 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 02:25 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 02:14 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  The Glendale School District in LA County has come up with an interesting idea to follow the requirements of the LA Health Department but still serve families of working parents or those without technology.

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/some-glendale-schools-plan-to-bring-students-back-to-classroom-but-not-their-teachers/

They are basically transforming the schools into remote learning pods. The teaching will still be virtual, but the kids will be in an environment that provides plenty of support that doesn’t have to come from their family. And they get breakfast and lunch. Their will be much less exposure to adults as well. Certainly not perfect but I think it helps to serve the at risk population.

Still not sure I understand why a non-teaching adult (probably making $10/hour) can be there supervising this, but an actual teacher (probably making $80k+ in LA) can't. I agree it is better than nothing, but it is still bs.

It is not logistically feasible to have a teacher in the classroom teaching to some of the kids in person and some virtual. It has to be one or the other and they can’t have all of the kids in school. Not to mention that it is against LA County Health Department requirements.

(08-18-2020 02:43 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 02:25 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 02:14 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  The Glendale School District in LA County has come up with an interesting idea to follow the requirements of the LA Health Department but still serve families of working parents or those without technology.

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/some-glendale-schools-plan-to-bring-students-back-to-classroom-but-not-their-teachers/

They are basically transforming the schools into remote learning pods. The teaching will still be virtual, but the kids will be in an environment that provides plenty of support that doesn’t have to come from their family. And they get breakfast and lunch. Their will be much less exposure to adults as well. Certainly not perfect but I think it helps to serve the at risk population.

Still not sure I understand why a non-teaching adult (probably making $10/hour) can be there supervising this, but an actual teacher (probably making $80k+ in LA) can't. I agree it is better than nothing, but it is still bs.

It is not logistically feasible to have a teacher in the classroom teaching to some of the kids in person and some virtual. It has to be one or the other and they can’t have all of the kids in school. Not to mention that it is against LA County Health Department requirements.

(08-18-2020 02:53 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 02:43 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 02:25 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 02:14 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  The Glendale School District in LA County has come up with an interesting idea to follow the requirements of the LA Health Department but still serve families of working parents or those without technology.

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/some-glendale-schools-plan-to-bring-students-back-to-classroom-but-not-their-teachers/

They are basically transforming the schools into remote learning pods. The teaching will still be virtual, but the kids will be in an environment that provides plenty of support that doesn’t have to come from their family. And they get breakfast and lunch. Their will be much less exposure to adults as well. Certainly not perfect but I think it helps to serve the at risk population.

Still not sure I understand why a non-teaching adult (probably making $10/hour) can be there supervising this, but an actual teacher (probably making $80k+ in LA) can't. I agree it is better than nothing, but it is still bs.

It is not logistically feasible to have a teacher in the classroom teaching to some of the kids in person and some virtual. It has to be one or the other and they can’t have all of the kids in school. Not to mention that it is against LA County Health Department requirements.

It's not logistically possible to put a camera in the classroom, or to have some teachers (those who aren't comfortable returning) teaching remotely while others teach in person?

Now that I think more about it, this is total BS. Part of VB Schools' plan allows some students to commit to learning from home fore the entirety of the first semester, even if in person instruction resumes prior to the end of the semester.

(08-18-2020 02:53 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 02:43 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 02:25 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 02:14 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  The Glendale School District in LA County has come up with an interesting idea to follow the requirements of the LA Health Department but still serve families of working parents or those without technology.

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/some-glendale-schools-plan-to-bring-students-back-to-classroom-but-not-their-teachers/

They are basically transforming the schools into remote learning pods. The teaching will still be virtual, but the kids will be in an environment that provides plenty of support that doesn’t have to come from their family. And they get breakfast and lunch. Their will be much less exposure to adults as well. Certainly not perfect but I think it helps to serve the at risk population.

Still not sure I understand why a non-teaching adult (probably making $10/hour) can be there supervising this, but an actual teacher (probably making $80k+ in LA) can't. I agree it is better than nothing, but it is still bs.

It is not logistically feasible to have a teacher in the classroom teaching to some of the kids in person and some virtual. It has to be one or the other and they can’t have all of the kids in school. Not to mention that it is against LA County Health Department requirements.

It's not logistically possible to put a camera in the classroom, or to have some teachers (those who aren't comfortable returning) teaching remotely while others teach in person?

Now that I think more about it, this is total BS. Part of VB Schools' plan allows some students to commit to learning from home fore the entirety of the first semester, even if in person instruction resumes prior to the end of the semester.

(08-18-2020 03:05 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 02:53 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 02:43 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 02:25 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 02:14 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  The Glendale School District in LA County has come up with an interesting idea to follow the requirements of the LA Health Department but still serve families of working parents or those without technology.

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/some-glendale-schools-plan-to-bring-students-back-to-classroom-but-not-their-teachers/

They are basically transforming the schools into remote learning pods. The teaching will still be virtual, but the kids will be in an environment that provides plenty of support that doesn’t have to come from their family. And they get breakfast and lunch. Their will be much less exposure to adults as well. Certainly not perfect but I think it helps to serve the at risk population.

Still not sure I understand why a non-teaching adult (probably making $10/hour) can be there supervising this, but an actual teacher (probably making $80k+ in LA) can't. I agree it is better than nothing, but it is still bs.

It is not logistically feasible to have a teacher in the classroom teaching to some of the kids in person and some virtual. It has to be one or the other and they can’t have all of the kids in school. Not to mention that it is against LA County Health Department requirements.

It's not logistically possible to put a camera in the classroom, or to have some teachers (those who aren't comfortable returning) teaching remotely while others teach in person?

Now that I think more about it, this is total BS. Part of VB Schools' plan allows some students to commit to learning from home fore the entirety of the first semester, even if in person instruction resumes prior to the end of the semester.

It is absolutely logistically possible to put a camera in a classroom. I think you are misunderstanding what I mean. The focus of the teaching should be either to an in person audience or a virtual audience. If the virtual audience receives only a zoom camera of the in person teaching, then they don’t get the proper interaction and a reduced experience.

Your idea of some teacher in person and some remote might work for elementary school but I’m not sure how that would work for schools that change classes.

And I’m not sure why you are against students having the choice to do virtual learning. They had that choice even before COVID.

(08-18-2020 03:11 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 03:05 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 02:53 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 02:43 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 02:25 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Still not sure I understand why a non-teaching adult (probably making $10/hour) can be there supervising this, but an actual teacher (probably making $80k+ in LA) can't. I agree it is better than nothing, but it is still bs.

It is not logistically feasible to have a teacher in the classroom teaching to some of the kids in person and some virtual. It has to be one or the other and they can’t have all of the kids in school. Not to mention that it is against LA County Health Department requirements.

It's not logistically possible to put a camera in the classroom, or to have some teachers (those who aren't comfortable returning) teaching remotely while others teach in person?

Now that I think more about it, this is total BS. Part of VB Schools' plan allows some students to commit to learning from home fore the entirety of the first semester, even if in person instruction resumes prior to the end of the semester.

It is absolutely logistically possible to put a camera in a classroom. I think you are misunderstanding what I mean. The focus of the teaching should be either to an in person audience or a virtual audience. If the virtual audience receives only a zoom camera of the in person teaching, then they don’t get the proper interaction and a reduced experience.

Your idea of some teacher in person and some remote might work for elementary school but I’m not sure how that would work for schools that change classes.

And I’m not sure why you are against students having the choice to do virtual learning. They had that choice even before COVID.

Nobody is against students (parents) having the choice to do virtual learning. The only people I have seen that are against choice are those against students (parents) having the choice to to in person learning.

(08-18-2020 03:18 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Anybody take those hybrid distance learning classes at ODU. I took intermediate accounting in a class set up where there was a camera on the teacher and there were kids all across the country taking it distance learning. I was actually in the class with the teacher in Norfolk though. It was bizarre and a bit funny at times. The distance learning students could buzz in with a question but there was always a delay and if you asked or answered a question you'd have to hold down a button and this camera would zoom across the ceiling to point right at you. This was around 2003-04 I'm guessing. Don't know if they still do that or for how long.