(06-08-2020 02:40 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-08-2020 02:32 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(06-08-2020 02:31 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 06:06 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 06:00 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  The consistency and ethos of US liberalism, in four sentences -- from elsewhere:

March - stay home idiot because SCIENCE
April - no Easter selfish moron it’s SCIENCE
May - 41M lost jobs, no family visits for SCIENCE
June - protesting is ok because FEELINGS

The consistency and ethos of conservatism is at least more rigorous:

Always: ignore and distrust experts and science trust but verify while maintaining an informed skepticism of so-called "experts" and alleged "science" based upon feelings instead of unbiased facts considering several points of view because they’rethey have often openly and repeatedly admitted being part of the liberal agenda to control your mind and turn the frogs gay.

You got us!

Not sure what TCU has to do with it, but whatever floats your boat; As to Tanq's post you quoted above, those are all four factual statements that you did not appear to bother to even try to refute.

Those aren’t four factual statements. They’re four editorialized statements.

You are absolutely correct they are editorialized.

However, they are, as Good Owl pointedly noted, at the same time factually correct. And, which, as Good Owl again correctly noted, you did not try to refute the existence of any of the four from the progressive playbook as it happened.

(06-08-2020 02:51 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(06-08-2020 02:40 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  March - stay home idiot because SCIENCE
April - no Easter selfish moron it’s SCIENCE
May - 41M lost jobs, no family visits for SCIENCE
June - protesting is ok because FEELINGS

They aren't factually correct, either. By May, there was plenty of evidence (and support) of small, social gatherings of people with limited contact that maintained proper boundaries being appropriate.

And there is plenty of commentary regarding the demonstrations that does more than just evaluate one's feelings.

And no one tried to stop Easter, but rather the typical close gatherings of many people, indoors, to celebrate it together.

You're right that in March, people were strongly advocating (on the left AND right) to stay home.

(06-10-2020 09:14 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(06-08-2020 02:51 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(06-08-2020 02:40 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  March - stay home idiot because SCIENCE
April - no Easter selfish moron it’s SCIENCE
May - 41M lost jobs, no family visits for SCIENCE
June - protesting is ok because FEELINGS

They aren't factually correct, either. By May, there was plenty of evidence (and support) of small, social gatherings of people with limited contact that maintained proper boundaries being appropriate.

And there is plenty of commentary regarding the demonstrations that does more than just evaluate one's feelings.

And no one tried to stop Easter, but rather the typical close gatherings of many people, indoors, to celebrate it together.

You're right that in March, people were strongly advocating (on the left AND right) to stay home.

The fact that you see your statements above as being responsive to the initial statements is really pretty funny.

I mean the fact that you read 'no Easter' as being an attempt to somehow 'stop' Easter is laughable... like 'no Birthday' would mean that you didn't age.... and then you admit that the typical close gatherings WERE 'stopped' (I'm extrapolating that description from your 'but rather' statement). Nobody else said stopped, but your definition isn't remotely accurate anyway. Traditional expressions of religious faith were halted. Traditional expressions of protest were not. Own that hypocrisy.

The key, as I am confident you know otherwise you never would have graduated Rice is that 'close gatherings', whether inside or out were openly and loudly discouraged... because 'science'... but such close gatherings are actually being encouraged now, because 'feelings', just as has been said. If you want to argue there are other differences, that's fine.... but other than 'inside' (which still hasn't always been the case) you haven't done that.

Hint... Easter was in April, not March... and people (left and right) are STILL strongly advocating for people to stay home.... that is except to protest, in which case people are being told that by staying home rather than protesting, we are vicariously 'part of the problem.' There are literally thousands of protest pictures with people not wearing PPE, not maintaining social distancing, not being outside... etc etc etc

I'm not taking a position on whether or not such things are okay or not... I'm personally okay with it, and merely want those same rules to apply to things like religious expression and other Constitutional rights. I mean, if you can gather to protest, you can gather to vote, right?

I'm merely taking a position on your lack of intellectual integrity in this debate. You will quite literally say ANYTHING just to argue.

(06-11-2020 06:11 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(06-10-2020 09:14 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(06-08-2020 02:51 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(06-08-2020 02:40 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  March - stay home idiot because SCIENCE
April - no Easter selfish moron it’s SCIENCE
May - 41M lost jobs, no family visits for SCIENCE
June - protesting is ok because FEELINGS

They aren't factually correct, either. By May, there was plenty of evidence (and support) of small, social gatherings of people with limited contact that maintained proper boundaries being appropriate.

And there is plenty of commentary regarding the demonstrations that does more than just evaluate one's feelings.

And no one tried to stop Easter, but rather the typical close gatherings of many people, indoors, to celebrate it together.

You're right that in March, people were strongly advocating (on the left AND right) to stay home.

The fact that you see your statements above as being responsive to the initial statements is really pretty funny.

I mean the fact that you read 'no Easter' as being an attempt to somehow 'stop' Easter is laughable... like 'no Birthday' would mean that you didn't age.... and then you admit that the typical close gatherings WERE 'stopped' (I'm extrapolating that description from your 'but rather' statement). Nobody else said stopped, but your definition isn't remotely accurate anyway. Traditional expressions of religious faith were halted. Traditional expressions of protest were not. Own that hypocrisy.

The key, as I am confident you know otherwise you never would have graduated Rice is that 'close gatherings', whether inside or out were openly and loudly discouraged... because 'science'... but such close gatherings are actually being encouraged now, because 'feelings', just as has been said. If you want to argue there are other differences, that's fine.... but other than 'inside' (which still hasn't always been the case) you haven't done that.

Hint... Easter was in April, not March... and people (left and right) are STILL strongly advocating for people to stay home.... that is except to protest, in which case people are being told that by staying home rather than protesting, we are vicariously 'part of the problem.' There are literally thousands of protest pictures with people not wearing PPE, not maintaining social distancing, not being outside... etc etc etc

I'm not taking a position on whether or not such things are okay or not... I'm personally okay with it, and merely want those same rules to apply to things like religious expression and other Constitutional rights. I mean, if you can gather to protest, you can gather to vote, right?

I'm merely taking a position on your lack of intellectual integrity in this debate. You will quite literally say ANYTHING just to argue.

Lack of intellectual integrity?

Hey Ham, **** off with that nonsense.

(06-12-2020 06:29 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  President Trump is now requiring attendees at his political rallies to sign a waiver promising not to sue him if they contract the coronavirus while there.

The president has announced he will hold his first political rally since the spread of the coronavirus put many in the country under stay-at-home orders in March. And supporters signing up to attend his event in Tulsa, Okla. — are greeted with this waiver when registering for a ticket: “By clicking register below, you are acknowledging that an inherent risk of exposure to Covid-19 exists in any public place where people are present. By attending the rally, you and any guests voluntarily assume all risks related to exposure to Covid-19 and agree not to hold Donald J. Trump for President, Inc.; BOK Center; ASM Global; or any of their affiliates, directors, officers, employees, agents, contractors or volunteers liable for any illness or injury.”

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/if-trump-gives-you-covid-19-at-rally-you-cant-sue-him-1013900/

(ETA - I actually edited out some parts of the paragraphs which were more critical of Trump, and tried to keep the 2 graphs to undisputed facts)

(06-12-2020 06:53 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-12-2020 06:29 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  President Trump is now requiring attendees at his political rallies to sign a waiver promising not to sue him if they contract the coronavirus while there.

The president has announced he will hold his first political rally since the spread of the coronavirus put many in the country under stay-at-home orders in March. And supporters signing up to attend his event in Tulsa, Okla. — are greeted with this waiver when registering for a ticket: “By clicking register below, you are acknowledging that an inherent risk of exposure to Covid-19 exists in any public place where people are present. By attending the rally, you and any guests voluntarily assume all risks related to exposure to Covid-19 and agree not to hold Donald J. Trump for President, Inc.; BOK Center; ASM Global; or any of their affiliates, directors, officers, employees, agents, contractors or volunteers liable for any illness or injury.”

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/if-trump-gives-you-covid-19-at-rally-you-cant-sue-him-1013900/

(ETA - I actually edited out some parts of the paragraphs which were more critical of Trump, and tried to keep the 2 graphs to undisputed facts)

I guess it might be a tad too problematic to get a waiver for a protest or a riot that seems to be the real rad thing to do.

(06-12-2020 07:35 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  It's the modus operandi of a person who has built his whole career out of frivolous lawsuits (the latest being a threatened lawsuit against CNN for a presidential poll the other day which he felt was wrong).

But I can see why he would be a lawyer's dream candidate.

Quote:Cases are rising in nearly half the states, according to an Associated Press analysis, a worrying trend that could intensify as people return to work and venture out during the summer.

In Arizona, hospitals have been told to prepare for the worst. Texas has more hospitalized COVID-19 patients than at any time before. And the governor of North Carolina said recent jumps caused him to rethink plans to reopen schools or businesses.

(06-12-2020 09:11 AM)At Ease Wrote:  

Quote:Cases are rising in nearly half the states, according to an Associated Press analysis, a worrying trend that could intensify as people return to work and venture out during the summer.
In Arizona, hospitals have been told to prepare for the worst. Texas has more hospitalized COVID-19 patients than at any time before. And the governor of North Carolina said recent jumps caused him to rethink plans to reopen schools or businesses.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Many-forces-behind-alarming-rise-in-virus-cases-15332490.php
My faith is still in our common sensers here-- it is just the flu, it will be gone by June, we just need to wait for the weather to warm.

(06-12-2020 11:37 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-12-2020 09:11 AM)At Ease Wrote:  

Quote:Cases are rising in nearly half the states, according to an Associated Press analysis, a worrying trend that could intensify as people return to work and venture out during the summer.
In Arizona, hospitals have been told to prepare for the worst. Texas has more hospitalized COVID-19 patients than at any time before. And the governor of North Carolina said recent jumps caused him to rethink plans to reopen schools or businesses.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Many-forces-behind-alarming-rise-in-virus-cases-15332490.php
My faith is still in our common sensers here-- it is just the flu, it will be gone by June, we just need to wait for the weather to warm.

One thing, the more data we get, the less deadly it appears to be. I'm 73, overweight, and a cancer survivor, so I'm kind of 3 for 3 for risk factors, but I'm really not scared. I guess I'm scared enough that I've lost 15 pounds and still going, but that's about as much as it concerns me.

Wear masks in public, keep social distance, and wash your hands (I've washed mine so often I've got dishpan hands) and I think you've be okay.

(06-12-2020 11:37 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-12-2020 09:11 AM)At Ease Wrote:  

Quote:Cases are rising in nearly half the states, according to an Associated Press analysis, a worrying trend that could intensify as people return to work and venture out during the summer.
In Arizona, hospitals have been told to prepare for the worst. Texas has more hospitalized COVID-19 patients than at any time before. And the governor of North Carolina said recent jumps caused him to rethink plans to reopen schools or businesses.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Many-forces-behind-alarming-rise-in-virus-cases-15332490.php
My faith is still in our common sensers here-- it is just the flu, it will be gone by June, we just need to wait for the weather to warm.

One thing, the more data we get, the less deadly it appears to be. I'm 73, overweight, and a cancer survivor, so I'm kind of 3 for 3 for risk factors, but I'm really not scared. I guess I'm scared enough that I've lost 15 pounds and still going, but that's about as much as it concerns me.

Wear masks in public, keep social distance, and wash your hands (I've washed mine so often I've got dishpan hands) and I think you've be okay.

(06-12-2020 12:40 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-12-2020 11:37 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-12-2020 09:11 AM)At Ease Wrote:  

Quote:Cases are rising in nearly half the states, according to an Associated Press analysis, a worrying trend that could intensify as people return to work and venture out during the summer.
In Arizona, hospitals have been told to prepare for the worst. Texas has more hospitalized COVID-19 patients than at any time before. And the governor of North Carolina said recent jumps caused him to rethink plans to reopen schools or businesses.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Many-forces-behind-alarming-rise-in-virus-cases-15332490.php
My faith is still in our common sensers here-- it is just the flu, it will be gone by June, we just need to wait for the weather to warm.

One thing, the more data we get, the less deadly it appears to be. I'm 73, overweight, and a cancer survivor, so I'm kind of 3 for 3 for risk factors, but I'm really not scared. I guess I'm scared enough that I've lost 15 pounds and still going, but that's about as much as it concerns me.
Wear masks in public, keep social distance, and wash your hands (I've washed mine so often I've got dishpan hands) and I think you've be okay.

Actually, I think you are 4 for 4, as being male seems to be a factor too.
I'm 5 for 5. I wear my mask, keep my distance, and carry a small bottle of hand sanitizer.

(06-12-2020 01:52 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-12-2020 12:40 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-12-2020 11:37 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-12-2020 09:11 AM)At Ease Wrote:  

Quote:Cases are rising in nearly half the states, according to an Associated Press analysis, a worrying trend that could intensify as people return to work and venture out during the summer.
In Arizona, hospitals have been told to prepare for the worst. Texas has more hospitalized COVID-19 patients than at any time before. And the governor of North Carolina said recent jumps caused him to rethink plans to reopen schools or businesses.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Many-forces-behind-alarming-rise-in-virus-cases-15332490.php
My faith is still in our common sensers here-- it is just the flu, it will be gone by June, we just need to wait for the weather to warm.

One thing, the more data we get, the less deadly it appears to be. I'm 73, overweight, and a cancer survivor, so I'm kind of 3 for 3 for risk factors, but I'm really not scared. I guess I'm scared enough that I've lost 15 pounds and still going, but that's about as much as it concerns me.
Wear masks in public, keep social distance, and wash your hands (I've washed mine so often I've got dishpan hands) and I think you've be okay.

Actually, I think you are 4 for 4, as being male seems to be a factor too.
I'm 5 for 5. I wear my mask, keep my distance, and carry a small bottle of hand sanitizer.

I'm fortunate that at my age I have decided that I don't like people very much, so I just avoid them.