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Free Throw Shooting - jarr - 02-16-2020 04:51 PM

What is the key factor to gettimg FT shooting fixed? Is it just a mental thing, or lack of skill in this department? No confidence? no focus?

I saw UK's team is shooting something like 85% from the line this year, and almost 90% with close games in the final 5 minutes. None of the players on that team were recruited as FT shooting specialists.

One thing I miss about Jennifer and Broome, was they were money from the line. especially in tight games. It was huge weapon to have.


RE: Free Throw Shooting - RealDeal - 02-16-2020 04:53 PM

(02-16-2020 04:51 PM)jarr Wrote:  What is the key factor to gettimg FT shooting fixed? Is it just a mental thing, or lack of skill in this department? No confidence? no focus?

I saw UK's team is shooting something like 85% from the line this year, and almost 90% with close games in the final 5 minutes. None of the players on that team were recruited as FT shooting specialists.

One thing I miss about Jennifer and Broome, was they were money from the line. especially in tight games. It was huge weapon to have.
Not really anything we can do. Vogts in a funk and is taking a lot of our free throws.

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RE: Free Throw Shooting - jarr - 02-16-2020 05:16 PM

(02-16-2020 04:53 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  
(02-16-2020 04:51 PM)jarr Wrote:  What is the key factor to gettimg FT shooting fixed? Is it just a mental thing, or lack of skill in this department? No confidence? no focus?

I saw UK's team is shooting something like 85% from the line this year, and almost 90% with close games in the final 5 minutes. None of the players on that team were recruited as FT shooting specialists.

One thing I miss about Jennifer and Broome, was they were money from the line. especially in tight games. It was huge weapon to have.
Not really anything we can do. Vogts in a funk and is taking a lot of our free throws.

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I think with Vogts funky form he is relegated to being a 60ish % FT shooter, but it seems to be way more than Vogt. Today, you are correct that part of the problem was the wrong dudes shooting FTs. Vogt, Diarra, and McNeal combine for 1-9. JC1, Keith, and MAW go 4-7, not great but they probably would have been better with more reps.


RE: Free Throw Shooting - Bear Catlett - 02-16-2020 06:40 PM

This isn't rocket science.

Line your feet up. Bend your legs. Follow through on the shot.

My Jr. high son whose team all stays after practice shooting FT's asked a legit question... what do they DO in practice?


RE: Free Throw Shooting - doss2 - 02-16-2020 06:47 PM

If a player is 67% or better do not try to change his FT form. If below change it if funky. Then practice practice. Mental and muscle memory.

7th graders change do better than 5 of 16!


RE: Free Throw Shooting - BigDawg - 02-16-2020 06:50 PM

(02-16-2020 06:40 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  This isn't rocket science.

Line your feet up. Bend your legs. Follow through on the shot.

My Jr. high son whose team all stays after practice shooting FT's asked a legit question... what do they DO in practice?

I'm sure they shoot a ton of FTs all the time. I'm sure the pressure doesn't help. Most big guys struggle with FTs. I've heard shooting gurus talk about how much harder it is to be consistent with FTs when you are so tall (Something about the launch angle, which is supposedly part of the reason that Vogt is trying to shoot from such a low point. But the guards should be able to light it up. It is amazing in college how many poor FT shooting guards are out there.


RE: Free Throw Shooting - doss2 - 02-16-2020 06:57 PM

(02-16-2020 06:50 PM)BigDawg Wrote:  
(02-16-2020 06:40 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  This isn't rocket science.

Line your feet up. Bend your legs. Follow through on the shot.

My Jr. high son whose team all stays after practice shooting FT's asked a legit question... what do they DO in practice?

I'm sure they shoot a ton of FTs all the time. I'm sure the pressure doesn't help. Most big guys struggle with FTs. I've heard shooting gurus talk about how much harder it is to be consistent with FTs when you are so tall (Something about the launch angle, which is supposedly part of the reason that Vogt is trying to shoot from such a low point. But the guards should be able to light it up. It is amazing in college how many poor FT shooting guards are out there.
Some need to learn the Rick Barry form!


RE: Free Throw Shooting - QSECOFR - 02-16-2020 07:35 PM

(02-16-2020 06:50 PM)BigDawg Wrote:  
(02-16-2020 06:40 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  This isn't rocket science.

Line your feet up. Bend your legs. Follow through on the shot.

My Jr. high son whose team all stays after practice shooting FT's asked a legit question... what do they DO in practice?

I'm sure they shoot a ton of FTs all the time. I'm sure the pressure doesn't help. Most big guys struggle with FTs. I've heard shooting gurus talk about how much harder it is to be consistent with FTs when you are so tall (Something about the launch angle, which is supposedly part of the reason that Vogt is trying to shoot from such a low point. But the guards should be able to light it up. It is amazing in college how many poor FT shooting guards are out there.

For big guys, part of the problem is that they have such large hands. It would be like you or me trying to shoot a free throw with a softball.


RE: Free Throw Shooting - jarr - 02-16-2020 07:38 PM

(02-16-2020 06:50 PM)BigDawg Wrote:  
(02-16-2020 06:40 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  This isn't rocket science.

Line your feet up. Bend your legs. Follow through on the shot.

My Jr. high son whose team all stays after practice shooting FT's asked a legit question... what do they DO in practice?

I'm sure they shoot a ton of FTs all the time. I'm sure the pressure doesn't help. Most big guys struggle with FTs. I've heard shooting gurus talk about how much harder it is to be consistent with FTs when you are so tall (Something about the launch angle, which is supposedly part of the reason that Vogt is trying to shoot from such a low point. But the guards should be able to light it up. It is amazing in college how many poor FT shooting guards are out there.

Maybe it is just perception, but to me it just feels like alot of coaches and players don't put a big emphasis on it. which makes no sense whatsoever. I have even heard Brannen talk about how they don't work on FT shooting in practice, I think coaches should be thinking about it more.

They left 11 points at the line today, and 18 against Memphis. They left 16 points on the line against Bowling Green. If they even shoot like an average team all those games are breezes.

Why in the world would teams not be trying to take advantage of these easy points, is not easily understood.


RE: Free Throw Shooting - jarr - 02-16-2020 07:44 PM

Mcneal's struggles is clearly some sort of mental block. He shot 76% at New Mexico shooting a high volume. I hope he can get out of the funk before his career comes to a close, I am afraid that Bowling Green game really affected him and he has never recovered.


RE: Free Throw Shooting - QSECOFR - 02-16-2020 07:45 PM

(02-16-2020 07:38 PM)jarr Wrote:  
(02-16-2020 06:50 PM)BigDawg Wrote:  
(02-16-2020 06:40 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  This isn't rocket science.

Line your feet up. Bend your legs. Follow through on the shot.

My Jr. high son whose team all stays after practice shooting FT's asked a legit question... what do they DO in practice?

I'm sure they shoot a ton of FTs all the time. I'm sure the pressure doesn't help. Most big guys struggle with FTs. I've heard shooting gurus talk about how much harder it is to be consistent with FTs when you are so tall (Something about the launch angle, which is supposedly part of the reason that Vogt is trying to shoot from such a low point. But the guards should be able to light it up. It is amazing in college how many poor FT shooting guards are out there.

Maybe it is just perception, but to me it just feels like alot of coaches and players don't put a big emphasis on it. which makes no sense whatsoever. I have even heard Brannen talk about how they don't work on FT shooting in practice, I think coaches should be thinking about it more.

They left 11 points at the line today, and 18 against Memphis. They left 16 points on the line against Bowling Green. If they even shoot like an average team all those games are breezes.

Why in the world would teams not be trying to take advantage of these easy points, is not easily understood.

Most coaches expect players to work on free throws on their own time.


RE: Free Throw Shooting - chatcat - 02-16-2020 07:49 PM

(02-16-2020 07:44 PM)jarr Wrote:  Mcneal's struggles is clearly some sort of mental block. He shot 76% at New Mexico shooting a high volume. I hope he can get out of the funk before his career comes to a close, I am afraid that Bowling Green game really affected him and he has never recovered.

Has McNeal made a free throw all year?


RE: Free Throw Shooting - bearcatmark - 02-16-2020 07:51 PM

(02-16-2020 07:44 PM)jarr Wrote:  Mcneal's struggles is clearly some sort of mental block. He shot 76% at New Mexico shooting a high volume. I hope he can get out of the funk before his career comes to a close, I am afraid that Bowling Green game really affected him and he has never recovered.

Yea. He was never a good shooter but was a solid free throw shooter and below average but not disastrous three point shooter. His shot is broken. He's mostly not close. No idea what they can do.


RE: Free Throw Shooting - rath v2.0 - 02-16-2020 08:27 PM

I’d love to know who else we had a chance at that we passed on for some of these one year rent a players. If that was it, that’s one thing. But if there were decisions to make, be interesting to hear what the rationale was.


RE: Free Throw Shooting - batman71 - 02-16-2020 08:32 PM

First, let me acknowledge that what I know about BB would fit on the head of a pin. But, it seems to me that being a good FT shooter is the one aspect of the game that requires no exceptional physical attributes. It doesn't require height, strength, speed or agility. So, I contend that you could take any grade school child and with enough practice and proper coaching, mental and physical, they could consistently make 90% or more of those shots.
If the problem is mental, then why don't coaches hire a sports psychologist to work with the players. If the FT percentage could be improved by five or ten %'age points (as a team), perhaps it translates into one or two wins a year. Isn't that enough incentive to make the move?
BTW, Willie Cunningham (WLW) is a perfect example of the potential of someone with no physical prowess being a 90%+ FT shooter.


RE: Free Throw Shooting - bearcat29 - 02-16-2020 08:53 PM

(02-16-2020 08:32 PM)batman71 Wrote:  First, let me acknowledge that what I know about BB would fit on the head of a pin. But, it seems to me that being a good FT shooter is the one aspect of the game that requires no exceptional physical attributes. It doesn't require height, strength, speed or agility. So, I contend that you could take any grade school child and with enough practice and proper coaching, mental and physical, they could consistently make 90% or more of those shots.
If the problem is mental, then why don't coaches hire a sports psychologist to work with the players. If the FT percentage could be improved by five or ten %'age points (as a team), perhaps it translates into one or two wins a year. Isn't that enough incentive to make the move?
BTW, Willie Cunningham (WLW) is a perfect example of the potential of someone with no physical prowess being a 90%+ FT shooter.
I could be wrong but I can't remember when UC was a good free throw shooting team. Sure, UC has had a player here and there, but as a team they usually always struggle as far as I can remember.

My take on it is you have large athletic guys that play AAU. Its all about isolation and using those athletic skills. Many of these young kids don't work on the fundamentals and skills because that isn't flashy or get you to D1 (size and athleticism is 80%).

Sure the 6' nothing slow players all know how to set a pick, play good sound defense and shoot free throws...because we have to or else it was the bench.


RE: Free Throw Shooting - levydl - 02-16-2020 08:54 PM

There are 3 players in NBA history who have shot 90% from the line for their career. To think anyone can do it with a little practice and a sports psychologist is silly.

There's very little evidence that being a good FT shooting team leads to more wins. It's just not nearly as important as a bunch other things. College coaches are not morons. They understand that the opportunity cost is too high.


RE: Free Throw Shooting - levydl - 02-16-2020 09:03 PM

(02-16-2020 08:53 PM)bearcat29 Wrote:  I could be wrong but I can't remember when UC was a good free throw shooting team. Sure, UC has had a player here and there, but as a team they usually always struggle as far as I can remember.

My take on it is you have large athletic guys that play AAU. Its all about isolation and using those athletic skills. Many of these young kids don't work on the fundamentals and skills because that isn't flashy or get you to D1 (size and athleticism is 80%).

Sure the 6' nothing slow players all know how to set a pick, play good sound defense and shoot free throws...because we have to or else it was the bench.

Being a great FT shooter is meaningless if you can't get people to foul you.


RE: Free Throw Shooting - bearcatlawjd2 - 02-16-2020 09:03 PM

The team is likely physically and mentally exhausted. It’s hard to make fts when you are tired. Cats have spent the entire month playing one possession do or die games. Three OTs in row that were preceded by two one score quad 1 games. There is only so much left in the tank for teams this time of year.

I never get worried about free throws because each game is different. I do believe that you need to send your better free throw shooters or hot players to the line over low percentage or inexperienced guys.

I am more concerned with game management which in my view hurt UC more today than anything else and almost cost them the Memphis game this week. I am advocate timeouts and even fouling to get to a TV timeout.


RE: Free Throw Shooting - Bear Catlett - 02-16-2020 09:41 PM

(02-16-2020 09:03 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  The team is likely physically and mentally exhausted. It’s hard to make fts when you are tired. Cats have spent the entire month playing one possession do or die games. Three OTs in row that were preceded by two one score quad 1 games. There is only so much left in the tank for teams this time of year.

I never get worried about free throws because each game is different. I do believe that you need to send your better free throw shooters or hot players to the line over low percentage or inexperienced guys.

I am more concerned with game management which in my view hurt UC more today than anything else and almost cost them the Memphis game this week. I am advocate timeouts and even fouling to get to a TV timeout.

If they make their FT's, those games wouldn't be close.