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Budget issues? - WMU2013 - 02-13-2020 01:37 PM
Seems strange we lost a coach to Army and Navy, great programs. But, i liked Adams a lot. During the PJ Fleck regime, we rarely lost a coach. Is Lester not getting the same support for salary for assistants? Thoughts?
RE: Budget issues? - GRBRONCO - 02-13-2020 01:57 PM
(02-13-2020 01:37 PM)WMU2013 Wrote: Seems strange we lost a coach to Army and Navy, great programs. But, i liked Adams a lot. During the PJ Fleck regime, we rarely lost a coach. Is Lester not getting the same support for salary for assistants? Thoughts?
PJ was better than Lester at a lot of things, coaching and fundraising in particular.
RE: Budget issues? - RunningGame - 02-13-2020 02:00 PM
(02-13-2020 01:37 PM)WMU2013 Wrote: Seems strange we lost a coach to Army and Navy, great programs. But, i liked Adams a lot. During the PJ Fleck regime, we rarely lost a coach. Is Lester not getting the same support for salary for assistants? Thoughts?
We lost Vinson Reynolds, Luke Getsy, Charles Huff, Tim McGarigle. It happens. If we lost him to Podunk St. A&M, then that's a problem.
RE: Budget issues? - wmubroncopilot - 02-13-2020 04:25 PM
(02-13-2020 02:00 PM)RunningGame Wrote:(02-13-2020 01:37 PM)WMU2013 Wrote: Seems strange we lost a coach to Army and Navy, great programs. But, i liked Adams a lot. During the PJ Fleck regime, we rarely lost a coach. Is Lester not getting the same support for salary for assistants? Thoughts?
We lost Vinson Reynolds, Luke Getsy, Charles Huff, Tim McGarigle. It happens. If we lost him to Podunk St. A&M, then that's a problem.
I agree it's inaccurate to say Fleck rarely lost coaches. However..
Reynolds- Syracuse
Getsy- NFL
Huff- Penn State
McGarigle- Illinois
IMO it's a bit more of a concern to lose them to other G5 programs. Though there's certainly an argument to be made that the jobs our current coaches have taken are still a step up.
RE: Budget issues? - fastbuicks - 02-15-2020 01:43 PM
Coaching at the assistant level is always a carousel. Just look at the Fleck and Lester path to WMU. Many times if a G5 coach looks like he could end up at the P5 level assistant coaches sense that. Look at the money these P5 schools throw around for coaches. MAC schools can't even match those numbers for entire program budgets without tapping into their general funds.
RE: Budget issues? - ColinApocalypse - 02-15-2020 02:08 PM
It's also a fallacy to compare WMU's resources with the military academies. They have nearly unlimited resources.
RE: Budget issues? - MajorHoople - 02-15-2020 02:43 PM
Michigan State is giving new HC Tucker a $3 million pool for assistant coaches according to FREEP.
MAC head coaches don't get that much.
RE: Budget issues? - Dirty Ernie - 02-15-2020 04:49 PM
(02-15-2020 02:43 PM)MajorHoople Wrote: Michigan State is giving new HC Tucker a $3 million pool for assistant coaches according to FREEP.
MAC head coaches don't get that much.
So you can have
30 @ $100,000 each
10 @ $300,000 each
Or a mix. For real, money is not the issue for them.
RE: Budget issues? - okgc - 02-19-2020 09:34 PM
(02-15-2020 02:43 PM)MajorHoople Wrote: Michigan State is giving new HC Tucker a $3 million pool for assistant coaches according to FREEP.
MAC head coaches don't get that much.
$ SIX Million assistant salary pool per this article
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state/spartans/2020/02/13/michigan-state-football-coach-mel-tuckers-contract-details/4752468002/
RE: Budget issues? - MajorHoople - 02-20-2020 11:36 AM
Can only have ten paid on-field coaches.
RE: Budget issues? - Doo - 02-24-2020 11:05 AM
WMU lost several coaches during PJ, but there's more that you miss out on. (sorry if someone else mentioned it)
Everyone and their brother knew PJ would be on his way up eventually, so many coaches thought it worth while to wait and follow him. Lester seems content here, and likely will not move on to a P5 head job. So as an assistant in D1 it's about upward mobility, and staying with Lester won't allow that.
RE: Budget issues? - PezKingGL1 - 02-24-2020 12:04 PM
Quote:Lester seems content here, and likely will not move on to a P5 head job
If this is the case he's likely winning 6-8 games a year probably without a championship.
RE: Budget issues? - flushtheherd - 02-24-2020 02:37 PM
(02-24-2020 11:05 AM)Doo Wrote: WMU lost several coaches during PJ, but there's more that you miss out on. (sorry if someone else mentioned it)
Everyone and their brother knew PJ would be on his way up eventually, so many coaches thought it worth while to wait and follow him. Lester seems content here, and likely will not move on to a P5 head job. So as an assistant in D1 it's about upward mobility, and staying with Lester won't allow that.
Money talks... If Lester puts together a couple stellar years here at WMU and brings in a couple Championships... I would not be surprised in the least that he would move on up the ladder. Even if it was to be an OC at a P5 with a larger salary. There are only two outcomes for him here at WMU... he overstays and gets the boot, or he takes an opportunity.
I just don't have enough confidence in the guy to see him winning many MAC Championships here... and leaving.
RE: Budget issues? - ess - 02-24-2020 07:13 PM
(02-24-2020 02:37 PM)flushtheherd Wrote: There are only two outcomes for him here at WMU... he overstays and gets the boot, or he takes an opportunity.
What is TL's vision for his own future?
RE: Budget issues? - Wmufan715 - 02-24-2020 07:25 PM
They have to cut 500k over next two years. It was announced to the whole staff in August
RE: Budget issues? - Werow17 - 02-24-2020 08:36 PM
(02-24-2020 07:25 PM)Wmufan715 Wrote: They have to cut 500k over next two years. It was announced to the whole staff in August
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RE: Budget issues? - Doo - 02-25-2020 02:06 PM
(02-24-2020 02:37 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:(02-24-2020 11:05 AM)Doo Wrote: WMU lost several coaches during PJ, but there's more that you miss out on. (sorry if someone else mentioned it)
Everyone and their brother knew PJ would be on his way up eventually, so many coaches thought it worth while to wait and follow him. Lester seems content here, and likely will not move on to a P5 head job. So as an assistant in D1 it's about upward mobility, and staying with Lester won't allow that.
Money talks... If Lester puts together a couple stellar years here at WMU and brings in a couple Championships... I would not be surprised in the least that he would move on up the ladder. Even if it was to be an OC at a P5 with a larger salary. There are only two outcomes for him here at WMU... he overstays and gets the boot, or he takes an opportunity.
I just don't have enough confidence in the guy to see him winning many MAC Championships here... and leaving.
I'm sure he would. The Lester seems likely to stay is based on my observation.
RE: Budget issues? - flushtheherd - 02-25-2020 09:47 PM
(02-24-2020 07:13 PM)ess Wrote:(02-24-2020 02:37 PM)flushtheherd Wrote: There are only two outcomes for him here at WMU... he overstays and gets the boot, or he takes an opportunity.
What is TL's vision for his own future?
I don't think we are in a position to even speculate.
He hasn't done anything to garner any sort of attention. However... if he does... then he's going to get some attention. PJ left here and is now doing work... TL somehow pulls something similar and he's going to get a shot...
No way he doesn't entertain the opportunity to move up the ladder under those circumstances.
As I said earlier.. I just don't see him having the chops to get this program to the point where thats even an issue.
RE: Budget issues? - Wmufan715 - 02-27-2020 12:20 PM
(02-24-2020 08:36 PM)Werow17 Wrote:Member of ticket office told me after they had their all staff meeting in August(02-24-2020 07:25 PM)Wmufan715 Wrote: They have to cut 500k over next two years. It was announced to the whole staff in August
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