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Created Equal--the Clarence Thomas story Film - GoodOwl - 02-09-2020 02:44 PM in theaters this week: link: http://www.justicethomasmovie.com/ Quote:Although Clarence Thomas remains a controversial figure, loved by some, reviled by others, few know much more than a few headlines and the recollections of his contentious confirmation battle with Anita Hill. RE: Created Equal--the Clarence Thomas story Film - GoodOwl - 02-11-2020 07:09 PM anyone go see it? RE: Created Equal--the Clarence Thomas story Film - GoodOwl - 02-14-2020 01:22 PM I'm planning to go see it this weekend with a group of friends that support these kind of good movies. The film is still playing across much of the country, worth checking out if you are looking for something to do on a cold winter weeekend. RE: Created Equal--the Clarence Thomas story Film - Native Georgian - 02-14-2020 01:29 PM Documentaries are hard to find at the cinema. Will probably have to watch this one at home. But watch it, I definitely will. RE: Created Equal--the Clarence Thomas story Film - GoodOwl - 02-14-2020 01:34 PM (02-14-2020 01:29 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: Documentaries are hard to find at the cinema. Will probably have to watch this one at home. But watch it, I definitely will. let's just say this film isn't enjoying "Hollywood" distribution. The weblink in the OP above and website does allow an alternative way to find it in your area outside the mainstream media. Of course, you can just go see the normal lefty-looney pablum they serve up instead. I've got no dog in this hunt as far as connection, other than as an American citizen to support American movies about real American heroes. These days, it takes a little more effort to do that, though in the beginning of our country it was not so. RE: Created Equal--the Clarence Thomas story Film - GoodOwl - 02-14-2020 09:53 PM Heard from a friend who saw it last week that it focuses a lot more on Clarence Thomas' early life and formation. he said he ended up enjoying the film more than he thought he would going in. Looking forward to seeing it tomorrow. RE: Created Equal--the Clarence Thomas story Film - Native Georgian - 02-14-2020 10:39 PM (02-14-2020 01:34 PM)GoodOwl Wrote: let's just say this film isn't enjoying "Hollywood" distribution.If only. Quote:Of course, you can just go see the normal lefty-looney pablum they serve up instead.About 98% of pop-culture (film, tv, music, books, magazines, online, etc) ranges from mindless trivia/nonsense at one end to outright filth and garbage at the other end. It’s the other 2% that is really wonderful and worth careful attention and reflection, if only we knew how to find it (quickly/affordably) and could make time for it. RE: Created Equal--the Clarence Thomas story Film - Fort Bend Owl - 02-15-2020 06:44 AM I watched the RBG doc on some streaming service a year ago or so (and I seem to remember many of you denounced it as pure propaganda) and I will probably do the same eventually with this one. They sound pretty similar. RE: Created Equal--the Clarence Thomas story Film - Native Georgian - 02-15-2020 08:05 AM (02-15-2020 06:44 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote: I watched the RBG doc on some streaming service a year ago or so (and I seem to remember many of you denounced it as pure propaganda) and I will probably do the same eventually with this one. They sound pretty similar.I saw an RBG documentary recently — I guess we’re talking about the same one but not sure — and enjoyed it. It was very well done and helped explain her life and how she got that way. Hopefully, Created Equal will be just as good. The word propaganda is so misused and misunderstood. RE: Created Equal--the Clarence Thomas story Film - GoodOwl - 02-16-2020 01:05 AM Wow, great movie/documentary and not what I expected. Thomas went through so much in his entire life, and the movie focused primarily on his growing up a Democrat and how he was able to form his ideas and ideology by study and research, and his grandpa, who couldn't read or write but taught him important values and work ethic. There was some stuff with footage of Sleepy Joe Biden acting like a buffoon, but there was only about 20 minutes or so on the Supreme Court nomination. Most of it was just a great American story of a kid who made some mistakes in life but did not quit or give up and fought hard against a system that told him black people were only expected/supposed to be and act one way. Thomas' story is more of a Libertarian freedom story than anything. And considering he famously doesn't talk much in court, but has written more than 600 opinions and more than 30% of them while he's been there, which is disproportionately a lot, it was fascinating to learn so much about this REAL hero. Highly recommended. RE: Created Equal--the Clarence Thomas story Film - Native Georgian - 02-16-2020 09:34 AM (02-16-2020 01:05 AM)GoodOwl Wrote: And considering he famously doesn't talk much in court, but has written more than 600 opinions and more than 30% of them while he's been there, which is disproportionately a lot, it was fascinating to learn so much about this REAL hero.GO, when you say “more than 30% of them while he’s been there”, what does that mean? RE: Created Equal--the Clarence Thomas story Film - stinkfist - 02-16-2020 11:25 AM (02-16-2020 09:34 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:(02-16-2020 01:05 AM)GoodOwl Wrote: And considering he famously doesn't talk much in court, but has written more than 600 opinions and more than 30% of them while he's been there, which is disproportionately a lot, it was fascinating to learn so much about this REAL hero.GO, when you say “more than 30% of them while he’s been there”, what does that mean? for a moment, I struggled with that too....I'm guessing "dissenting"... RE: Created Equal--the Clarence Thomas story Film - Fort Bend Owl - 02-16-2020 11:39 AM It could be that he's written 30 percent of the opinions that are authored by Justices when they announce a decision on a case that the Court has heard an oral argument (since he's been on the court). Considering there are 9 Justices, you'd think that each one would author about 11 percent of the opinions (although don't they often have a majority opinion and minority opinion released in some cases - that might get the percentages up to closer to about 20 percent each). RE: Created Equal--the Clarence Thomas story Film - Owl 69/70/75 - 02-16-2020 12:12 PM I helped with an amicus brief for a case in the 2014-15 session. The case was Comptroller v. Wynne, don't have a cite but it will be published at some point. It was a state/local income tax dispute (thank goodness we don't have those things in Texas), and we took the anti-Obamacare argument--that it may have been a tax, but it had a negative impact on interstate commerce, and thus was forbidden to the states. Our side won, 5-4. The reason I mention it here is because of the unusual alignment of the justices: For (5) - Roberts, Alito, Kennedy, Breyer, Sotomayor Against (4) - Ginsburg, Kagan, Scalia, Thomas All of the dissenters wrote separate opinions except Kagan, who joined Ginsburg. RE: Created Equal--the Clarence Thomas story Film - GoodOwl - 02-16-2020 07:49 PM (02-16-2020 11:39 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote: It could be that he's written 30 percent of the opinions that are authored by Justices when they announce a decision on a case that the Court has heard an oral argument (since he's been on the court). Considering there are 9 Justices, you'd think that each one would author about 11 percent of the opinions (although don't they often have a majority opinion and minority opinion released in some cases - that might get the percentages up to closer to about 20 percent each). Yes, that was my understanding of the statistic as stated in the film; IOW he's written or been willing to write more than his fair share of opinions. My understanding is that they are volunteered for, but assigned if no one steps up. not sure if that's actually how it goes. Earlier in the film, when he was working in the private sector, Thomas commented he was getting antsy because there was not as much work for him as he wanted/was used to. Thomas seems to like to work hard to very hard, and that appeared consistent with how his story was told of all he went through growing up and the stuff with his grandfather and all. He also seemed consistent in his philosophy of letting facts speak for themselves and not be colored by a person's personality, so to speak. Which makes sense for a person who believes all people are created equal. Hence, Thomas is against busing, quotas, unequal treatment under the law, even in the name of social engineering past mistakes, etc...on the basis it denigrates and diminishes people unfairly on the mere basis of their skin color, especially those which are purported to being "helped" by the discrimination and/or policy which Thomas does not believe does or should matter, unlike some others who seem to believe skin color is everything (most Dems and leftists). RE: Created Equal--the Clarence Thomas story Film - GoodOwl - 02-16-2020 07:57 PM Thomas specifically cited how, as a new graduate of Yale Law school, he had a very difficult time getting hired for a job--because he was unfairly perceived to have been granted an unearned opportunity to go there just because he was black. Thomas learned that merely giving people spots in a group, if they did not actually earn them on merit alone, actually does two very negative and regressive things: 1) it hurts the people supposedly trying to be helped more than if they had to work harder and actually achieve their positions themselves without any extra help at all and importantly 2) it unfairly marks those who actually did achieve based on real merits with a shroud of doubt and illegitimacy from others which is more unfair than any racial discrimination in the first place. He was resentful of those policies supposedly designed to help him as a black man, but actually made things more difficult for him to function as an equal with other Yale grads. Hearing the whole story, and from Thomas in his own voice and words, I don't see how anyone could disagree with his viewpoint, as he is a model of consistency, and it bears out if you've ever read any of his court opinions. You may disagree, but he has strong and logical arguments, not emotional flailings as many who oppose his philosophy of liberty and equality for all actually seem to. You want insight into what makes a Supreme Court Justice worthy of the position go see the film, you'll be more surprised at what you learn beyond the media rhetoric. In addition, I think any young person can learn an awful lot from watching it. |