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RE: 'This time I'm scared': experts fear too late for China virus lockdown - Hambone10 - 02-27-2020 03:35 PM
(02-27-2020 02:25 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote: There isn't a correct answer to the question "what we should be doing about coronavirus" but there's absolutely questions on what could we be doing better.
Can you give an example of the latter that doesn't involve an opinion or speculation? Honest question seeking honest answer. Even the experts are generally only offering speculations and opinions that aren't without refute.
RE: 'This time I'm scared': experts fear too late for China virus lockdown - JRsec - 02-27-2020 03:41 PM
(02-27-2020 03:35 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:(02-27-2020 02:25 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote: There isn't a correct answer to the question "what we should be doing about coronavirus" but there's absolutely questions on what could we be doing better.
Can you give an example of the latter that doesn't involve an opinion or speculation? Honest question seeking honest answer. Even the experts are generally only offering speculations and opinions that aren't without refute.
Correct. The started with a routine 14 day quarantine only to discover that some patients had incubation periods of 21 days. Then they learned that some patients had incubation periods of 27 days. Now they have discovered that you can test negative while having the virus and then text positive, and then after treatment test negative again, all the while still having the virus.
Today they announced that you can test positive in a right nasal swab and negative in the other nasal passage way and vice versa. And that you can text negative in the both nostrils but positive on a throat swab.
Because of all of this procedural protocols are constantly changing. The initial Chinese quarantine of 14 days was probably not sufficient and more importantly they failed to investigate the departures from Wuhan 27 days prior to the outbreak. It's highly possible many carriers left the area prior to the outbreak.
So saying you could do more is totally irrelevant when the virus we are contending with is wholly unknown and doesn't present as any other.
RE: 'This time I'm scared': experts fear too late for China virus lockdown - EverRespect - 02-27-2020 04:01 PM
(02-27-2020 03:41 PM)JRsec Wrote:(02-27-2020 03:35 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:(02-27-2020 02:25 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote: There isn't a correct answer to the question "what we should be doing about coronavirus" but there's absolutely questions on what could we be doing better.
Can you give an example of the latter that doesn't involve an opinion or speculation? Honest question seeking honest answer. Even the experts are generally only offering speculations and opinions that aren't without refute.
Correct. The started with a routine 14 day quarantine only to discover that some patients had incubation periods of 21 days. Then they learned that some patients had incubation periods of 27 days. Now they have discovered that you can test negative while having the virus and then text positive, and then after treatment test negative again, all the while still having the virus.
Today they announced that you can test positive in a right nasal swab and negative in the other nasal passage way and vice versa. And that you can text negative in the both nostrils but positive on a throat swab.
Because of all of this procedural protocols are constantly changing. The initial Chinese quarantine of 14 days was probably not sufficient and more importantly they failed to investigate the departures from Wuhan 27 days prior to the outbreak. It's highly possible many carriers left the area prior to the outbreak.
So saying you could do more is totally irrelevant when the virus we are contending with is wholly unknown and doesn't present as any other.
Couldn't we just ban the virus and possession thereof?
RE: 'This time I'm scared': experts fear too late for China virus lockdown - Yosef Himself - 02-27-2020 04:02 PM
(02-27-2020 04:01 PM)EverRespect Wrote:(02-27-2020 03:41 PM)JRsec Wrote:(02-27-2020 03:35 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:(02-27-2020 02:25 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote: There isn't a correct answer to the question "what we should be doing about coronavirus" but there's absolutely questions on what could we be doing better.
Can you give an example of the latter that doesn't involve an opinion or speculation? Honest question seeking honest answer. Even the experts are generally only offering speculations and opinions that aren't without refute.
Correct. The started with a routine 14 day quarantine only to discover that some patients had incubation periods of 21 days. Then they learned that some patients had incubation periods of 27 days. Now they have discovered that you can test negative while having the virus and then text positive, and then after treatment test negative again, all the while still having the virus.
Today they announced that you can test positive in a right nasal swab and negative in the other nasal passage way and vice versa. And that you can text negative in the both nostrils but positive on a throat swab.
Because of all of this procedural protocols are constantly changing. The initial Chinese quarantine of 14 days was probably not sufficient and more importantly they failed to investigate the departures from Wuhan 27 days prior to the outbreak. It's highly possible many carriers left the area prior to the outbreak.
So saying you could do more is totally irrelevant when the virus we are contending with is wholly unknown and doesn't present as any other.
Couldn't we just ban the virus and possession thereof?
Just claim it's a hoax like climate change.
RE: 'This time I'm scared': experts fear too late for China virus lockdown - JRsec - 02-27-2020 04:12 PM
(02-27-2020 04:02 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:(02-27-2020 04:01 PM)EverRespect Wrote:(02-27-2020 03:41 PM)JRsec Wrote:(02-27-2020 03:35 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:(02-27-2020 02:25 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote: There isn't a correct answer to the question "what we should be doing about coronavirus" but there's absolutely questions on what could we be doing better.
Can you give an example of the latter that doesn't involve an opinion or speculation? Honest question seeking honest answer. Even the experts are generally only offering speculations and opinions that aren't without refute.
Correct. The started with a routine 14 day quarantine only to discover that some patients had incubation periods of 21 days. Then they learned that some patients had incubation periods of 27 days. Now they have discovered that you can test negative while having the virus and then text positive, and then after treatment test negative again, all the while still having the virus.
Today they announced that you can test positive in a right nasal swab and negative in the other nasal passage way and vice versa. And that you can text negative in the both nostrils but positive on a throat swab.
Because of all of this procedural protocols are constantly changing. The initial Chinese quarantine of 14 days was probably not sufficient and more importantly they failed to investigate the departures from Wuhan 27 days prior to the outbreak. It's highly possible many carriers left the area prior to the outbreak.
So saying you could do more is totally irrelevant when the virus we are contending with is wholly unknown and doesn't present as any other.
Couldn't we just ban the virus and possession thereof?
Just claim it's a hoax like climate change.
And this folks is about as helpful as any hive minded millennial or younger liberal mind thinks. Griping has become progressive, and reasonable suggestions a hindrance to further griping. Your like a flock of seagulls. You produce nothing worth having and when you aren't squawking you're crapping on everything. Have you tried Alka-Seltzer?
As to global warming I suggest you check out the asteroid that parked in the Earth's gravitational pull 3 years ago (and which NASA has now confirmed) which could become our 2nd moon, and the gravitational tilt of the Sun when it approaches the narrowest arch of its elliptical cycle. Both have a greater impact upon Earth's warming and unseasonal weather than man made fluorocarbons Humanities impact, especially our pollution of the oceans, absolutely needs to be addressed. But 1 major volcanic eruption (not super volcanic eruption) dwarfs man made carbon footprint. Disruption of natural habitats, pollution of the seas, particularly with plastics, deforestation, and the opposite which the West Coast suffers from which is the denial of selective cutting which helps prevent forest fires, all do more damage that fossil fuels. Sadly that wasn't true of Freon which did have a significant impact upon the ozone layer.
So nobody really thinks climate change is a hoax. Those with a broader spectrum of scientific research which understands that much of what happens occurs beyond our control as we experience first hand solar cycles millions of years old know that nature has a great hand in it as well and in many cases significantly more than man. Now that doesn't excuse humanity's bad behavior and ignorance, but neither does it prove the leftist hysteria surrounding the subject which you've been spoon fed.
RE: 'This time I'm scared': experts fear too late for China virus lockdown - Yosef Himself - 02-27-2020 04:14 PM
(02-27-2020 04:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:(02-27-2020 04:02 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:(02-27-2020 04:01 PM)EverRespect Wrote:(02-27-2020 03:41 PM)JRsec Wrote:(02-27-2020 03:35 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: Can you give an example of the latter that doesn't involve an opinion or speculation? Honest question seeking honest answer. Even the experts are generally only offering speculations and opinions that aren't without refute.
Correct. The started with a routine 14 day quarantine only to discover that some patients had incubation periods of 21 days. Then they learned that some patients had incubation periods of 27 days. Now they have discovered that you can test negative while having the virus and then text positive, and then after treatment test negative again, all the while still having the virus.
Today they announced that you can test positive in a right nasal swab and negative in the other nasal passage way and vice versa. And that you can text negative in the both nostrils but positive on a throat swab.
Because of all of this procedural protocols are constantly changing. The initial Chinese quarantine of 14 days was probably not sufficient and more importantly they failed to investigate the departures from Wuhan 27 days prior to the outbreak. It's highly possible many carriers left the area prior to the outbreak.
So saying you could do more is totally irrelevant when the virus we are contending with is wholly unknown and doesn't present as any other.
Couldn't we just ban the virus and possession thereof?
Just claim it's a hoax like climate change.
And this folks is about as helpful as any hive minded millennial or younger liberal mind thinks. Griping has become progressive, and reasonable suggestions a hindrance to further griping. Your like a flock of seagulls. You produce nothing worth having and when you aren't squawking you're crapping on everything. Have you tried Alka-Seltzer?
Is your humor meter broken? Can you not tell when a quip is responded with a quip?
Get a grip, son.
RE: 'This time I'm scared': experts fear too late for China virus lockdown - stinkfist - 02-27-2020 04:17 PM
(02-27-2020 04:02 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:(02-27-2020 04:01 PM)EverRespect Wrote:(02-27-2020 03:41 PM)JRsec Wrote:(02-27-2020 03:35 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:(02-27-2020 02:25 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote: There isn't a correct answer to the question "what we should be doing about coronavirus" but there's absolutely questions on what could we be doing better.
Can you give an example of the latter that doesn't involve an opinion or speculation? Honest question seeking honest answer. Even the experts are generally only offering speculations and opinions that aren't without refute.
Correct. The started with a routine 14 day quarantine only to discover that some patients had incubation periods of 21 days. Then they learned that some patients had incubation periods of 27 days. Now they have discovered that you can test negative while having the virus and then text positive, and then after treatment test negative again, all the while still having the virus.
Today they announced that you can test positive in a right nasal swab and negative in the other nasal passage way and vice versa. And that you can text negative in the both nostrils but positive on a throat swab.
Because of all of this procedural protocols are constantly changing. The initial Chinese quarantine of 14 days was probably not sufficient and more importantly they failed to investigate the departures from Wuhan 27 days prior to the outbreak. It's highly possible many carriers left the area prior to the outbreak.
So saying you could do more is totally irrelevant when the virus we are contending with is wholly unknown and doesn't present as any other.
Couldn't we just ban the virus and possession thereof?
Just claim it's a hoax like climate change.
nobody on this board has acknowledged climate change isn't a real thingy over time....
however, one needs to remember how it went from global warming due to human interference that has transitioned to climate change and maybe it's due to human interference....
and save the fk'n planet???.....ye ol' planet will be just fine regardless of man....it's just another agenda based misnomer in a long list of such...
people hear or run their yammer based on the thingy o' day....wow, color me Ace Frehley 'shock me'...
WTFE
RE: 'This time I'm scared': experts fear too late for China virus lockdown - Attackcoog - 02-27-2020 04:27 PM
(02-27-2020 02:25 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote: You, my friend, need an equal amount of help. You can't seem to parse any criticism of the current admin's action with "politics". Look at it from an outside view. Some of us want things done right the first time. If it's Republicans or Democrats doing it right the first time, hurray. If not, they should be called out for their eff ups. There isn't a correct answer to the question "what we should be doing about coronavirus" but there's absolutely questions on what could we be doing better.
Shrug. The only thing you've suggested is that they should have left the former structure in place that was designed to protect against Ebola. All Ive said is given the fact that this is a NEW virus from a country that refuses to given any outside health agencies access---it wouldnt have mattered. Frankly, I have little faith that yet another layer of entrenched bureaucracy would have made any real difference at all. I suspect this custom designed team with a single specific purpose will be just as effective if not more so in fighting this virus.
RE: 'This time I'm scared': experts fear too late for China virus lockdown - Fort Bend Owl - 02-27-2020 04:43 PM
(02-27-2020 01:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:(02-27-2020 01:29 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:(02-27-2020 01:22 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote: Yep.
Obama's "Ebola Czar" was an attorney for Al Gore.
Trump appoints an expert.
And the COVID19 czar is the person that oversaw the explosion of HIV in their state who's initial containment response was "pray on it."
You put people managers at the top and specific experts below them.
Trump appointed a former governor and VP of the United States. In other words, he appointed someone very familiar with directing large multi-agency governmental efforts. Pence---then added highly qualified medical professionals in the field to generate policy---while I assume Pence wlll handle the logistics of getting different state agencies to pull in one direction. Its a reasonable and competent way to go about preparing the national response to the virus. It certainly makes as much or more sense than hiring a lawyer to handle it. There just isn't much to criticize here unless you are deliberately trying to manufacture a negative talking point. Im just saying--things thus far appear to be getting handled in a very competent and reasonable manner.
The stock market obviously didn't seem to be that thrilled with both the Pence move, and the press conference itself. I'd say the press conference (and Japan's moves this morning) are the main reasons the stock market had its biggest 1-day drop in history today.
Dow down 3000 points in 4 days. It hasn't dropped this much since President Carter.
RE: 'This time I'm scared': experts fear too late for China virus lockdown - BobcatEngineer - 02-27-2020 04:48 PM
(02-27-2020 04:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:(02-27-2020 04:02 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:(02-27-2020 04:01 PM)EverRespect Wrote:(02-27-2020 03:41 PM)JRsec Wrote:(02-27-2020 03:35 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: Can you give an example of the latter that doesn't involve an opinion or speculation? Honest question seeking honest answer. Even the experts are generally only offering speculations and opinions that aren't without refute.
Correct. The started with a routine 14 day quarantine only to discover that some patients had incubation periods of 21 days. Then they learned that some patients had incubation periods of 27 days. Now they have discovered that you can test negative while having the virus and then text positive, and then after treatment test negative again, all the while still having the virus.
Today they announced that you can test positive in a right nasal swab and negative in the other nasal passage way and vice versa. And that you can text negative in the both nostrils but positive on a throat swab.
Because of all of this procedural protocols are constantly changing. The initial Chinese quarantine of 14 days was probably not sufficient and more importantly they failed to investigate the departures from Wuhan 27 days prior to the outbreak. It's highly possible many carriers left the area prior to the outbreak.
So saying you could do more is totally irrelevant when the virus we are contending with is wholly unknown and doesn't present as any other.
Couldn't we just ban the virus and possession thereof?
Just claim it's a hoax like climate change.
As to global warming I suggest you check out the asteroid that parked in the Earth's gravitational pull 3 years ago (and which NASA has now confirmed) which could become our 2nd moon, and the gravitational tilt of the Sun when it approaches the narrowest arch of its elliptical cycle. Both have a greater impact upon Earth's warming and unseasonal weather than man made fluorocarbons
An asteroid the size of a car has nothing to do with Earth's warming or its unseasonal weather. It's also very likely that this little asteroid won't stay gravitationally bound to Earth so its stay is most likely temporary.
You have any sources for your later claim regarding the gravitation tilt and the elliptical cycle?
JRsec Wrote:Humanities impact, especially our pollution of the oceans, absolutely needs to be addressed.
Agreed on the pollution. The amount of plastic in the ocean is definitely a huge concern. But also the oceans are absorbing more atmospheric carbon which in turn is causing ocean acidification, which bleaches coral reefs causing marine habits to die off and disappear.
JRsec Wrote:But 1 major volcanic eruption (not super volcanic eruption) dwarfs man made carbon footprint.
People way more intelligent than JRsec Wrote:This argument that human-caused carbon emissions are merely a drop in the bucket compared to greenhouse gases generated by volcanoes has been making its way around the rumor mill for years. And while it may sound plausible, the science just doesn’t back it up.
According to the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS), the world’s volcanoes, both on land and undersea, generate about 200 million tons of carbon dioxide (CO2) annually, while our automotive and industrial activities cause some 24 billion tons of CO2 emissions every year worldwide. Despite the arguments to the contrary, the facts speak for themselves: Greenhouse gas emissions from volcanoes comprise less than one percent of those generated by today’s human endeavors.
Scientific American
RE: 'This time I'm scared': experts fear too late for China virus lockdown - Attackcoog - 02-27-2020 04:50 PM
(02-27-2020 04:43 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:(02-27-2020 01:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:(02-27-2020 01:29 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:(02-27-2020 01:22 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote: Yep.
Obama's "Ebola Czar" was an attorney for Al Gore.
Trump appoints an expert.
And the COVID19 czar is the person that oversaw the explosion of HIV in their state who's initial containment response was "pray on it."
You put people managers at the top and specific experts below them.
Trump appointed a former governor and VP of the United States. In other words, he appointed someone very familiar with directing large multi-agency governmental efforts. Pence---then added highly qualified medical professionals in the field to generate policy---while I assume Pence wlll handle the logistics of getting different state agencies to pull in one direction. Its a reasonable and competent way to go about preparing the national response to the virus. It certainly makes as much or more sense than hiring a lawyer to handle it. There just isn't much to criticize here unless you are deliberately trying to manufacture a negative talking point. Im just saying--things thus far appear to be getting handled in a very competent and reasonable manner.
The stock market obviously didn't seem to be that thrilled with both the Pence move, and the press conference itself. I'd say the press conference (and Japan's moves this morning) are the main reasons the stock market had its biggest 1-day drop in history today.
Dow down 3000 points in 4 days. It hasn't dropped this much since President Carter.
It was dropping like a rock before Pence was named. Pence had nothing to do with it. It has to do with the stock market resetting values to reflect the risk of how the Coronavirus will affect the US consumer during the next 12-18 months. For instance---new car sales in China are down 92% this month. Stocks are still massively overvalued if your looking at sales drops in the US of even half that amount over the next 12-18 months.
RE: 'This time I'm scared': experts fear too late for China virus lockdown - snowtiger - 02-27-2020 04:51 PM
Depencing* on our new head of operations for the latest information...welp... is that the safest and best idea...? How much information can the general public handle is always the question.
Pence just shut down Dr. Fauci-- one of the country’s leading experts on viruses and the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infections Diseases. Fauci told associates that the White House had instructed him not to say anything else without clearance from Pence.
Apparently one of Fauci's recent statements riled up the White House: "The coronavirus has adapted extremely well to human species... this one has the capability of spreading readily from human to human,” Dr. Anthony Fauci said. He added: “We are dealing with a serious virus.”
*sorry, couldn't resist
RE: 'This time I'm scared': experts fear too late for China virus lockdown - Attackcoog - 02-27-2020 05:01 PM
(02-27-2020 04:51 PM)snowtiger Wrote: Depencing* on our new head of operations for the latest information...welp... is that the safest and best idea...? How much information can the general public handle is always the question.
Pence just shut down Dr. Fauci-- one of the country’s leading experts on viruses and the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infections Diseases. Fauci told associates that the White House had instructed him not to say anything else without clearance from Pence.
Apparently one of Fauci's recent statements riled up the White House: "The coronavirus has adapted extremely well to human species... this one has the capability of spreading readily from human to human,” Dr. Anthony Fauci said. He added: “We are dealing with a serious virus.”
*sorry, couldn't resist
lol...I dont think we need to panic the people.....but I dont think anything he said was really doing that. But also---we really dont know a lot about this virus---so we probably should not be saying much yet. Incubation period is 3-5 days. Then it was 14 days. Now we know its as much as 27 days. Im all for letting him talk---but right now he's simply not an expert. I not knocking him---Im just saying nobody here is an expert...yet.
As for Trumps statements-----I honestly think Trump is simply a optimistic person and believes we can still contain it outside our borders for some time. My guess is he thinks we can make it to fall before its uncontrollable in the general population. I suspect he believes we just need to contain it for about 60 days and then the warmer weather will give us a reprieve over the summer. Probably thinks by fall we may have a shot of having enough vaccine to help the high risk folks and maybe a cocktail of existing drugs that can give everyone else an effective cure. In other words, he probably has reason to believe we might can have this coronavirus mortality knocked down to flu levels by fall. Just my speculation. Realistically---I think we are looking at closer to a year before we have reasonable access to a vaccine.
RE: 'This time I'm scared': experts fear too late for China virus lockdown - Yosef Himself - 02-27-2020 05:01 PM
(02-27-2020 04:50 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:(02-27-2020 04:43 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:(02-27-2020 01:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:(02-27-2020 01:29 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:(02-27-2020 01:22 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote: Yep.
Obama's "Ebola Czar" was an attorney for Al Gore.
Trump appoints an expert.
And the COVID19 czar is the person that oversaw the explosion of HIV in their state who's initial containment response was "pray on it."
You put people managers at the top and specific experts below them.
Trump appointed a former governor and VP of the United States. In other words, he appointed someone very familiar with directing large multi-agency governmental efforts. Pence---then added highly qualified medical professionals in the field to generate policy---while I assume Pence wlll handle the logistics of getting different state agencies to pull in one direction. Its a reasonable and competent way to go about preparing the national response to the virus. It certainly makes as much or more sense than hiring a lawyer to handle it. There just isn't much to criticize here unless you are deliberately trying to manufacture a negative talking point. Im just saying--things thus far appear to be getting handled in a very competent and reasonable manner.
The stock market obviously didn't seem to be that thrilled with both the Pence move, and the press conference itself. I'd say the press conference (and Japan's moves this morning) are the main reasons the stock market had its biggest 1-day drop in history today.
Dow down 3000 points in 4 days. It hasn't dropped this much since President Carter.
It was dropping like a rock before Pence was named. Pence had nothing to do with it. It has to do with the stock market resetting values to reflect the risk of how the Coronavirus will affect the US consumer during the next 12-18 months. For instance---new car sales in China are down 92% this month. Stocks are still massively overvalued if your looking at sales drops in the US of even half that amount over the next 12-18 months.
Succinct and true. Look at that, we agree on something
RE: 'This time I'm scared': experts fear too late for China virus lockdown - Hambone10 - 02-27-2020 05:05 PM
(02-27-2020 04:02 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:(02-27-2020 04:01 PM)EverRespect Wrote:(02-27-2020 03:41 PM)JRsec Wrote:(02-27-2020 03:35 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:(02-27-2020 02:25 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote: There isn't a correct answer to the question "what we should be doing about coronavirus" but there's absolutely questions on what could we be doing better.
Can you give an example of the latter that doesn't involve an opinion or speculation? Honest question seeking honest answer. Even the experts are generally only offering speculations and opinions that aren't without refute.
Correct. The started with a routine 14 day quarantine only to discover that some patients had incubation periods of 21 days. Then they learned that some patients had incubation periods of 27 days. Now they have discovered that you can test negative while having the virus and then text positive, and then after treatment test negative again, all the while still having the virus.
Today they announced that you can test positive in a right nasal swab and negative in the other nasal passage way and vice versa. And that you can text negative in the both nostrils but positive on a throat swab.
Because of all of this procedural protocols are constantly changing. The initial Chinese quarantine of 14 days was probably not sufficient and more importantly they failed to investigate the departures from Wuhan 27 days prior to the outbreak. It's highly possible many carriers left the area prior to the outbreak.
So saying you could do more is totally irrelevant when the virus we are contending with is wholly unknown and doesn't present as any other.
Couldn't we just ban the virus and possession thereof?
Just claim it's a hoax like climate change.
Actually if you think about it... the response to this has essentially been to 'build a wall' AND put people in 'cages'.
I don't know if anyone has refused quarantine... but if they did, I suspect they'd be arrested.
RE: 'This time I'm scared': experts fear too late for China virus lockdown - JRsec - 02-27-2020 05:07 PM
(02-27-2020 04:48 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:(02-27-2020 04:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:(02-27-2020 04:02 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:(02-27-2020 04:01 PM)EverRespect Wrote:(02-27-2020 03:41 PM)JRsec Wrote: Correct. The started with a routine 14 day quarantine only to discover that some patients had incubation periods of 21 days. Then they learned that some patients had incubation periods of 27 days. Now they have discovered that you can test negative while having the virus and then text positive, and then after treatment test negative again, all the while still having the virus.
Today they announced that you can test positive in a right nasal swab and negative in the other nasal passage way and vice versa. And that you can text negative in the both nostrils but positive on a throat swab.
Because of all of this procedural protocols are constantly changing. The initial Chinese quarantine of 14 days was probably not sufficient and more importantly they failed to investigate the departures from Wuhan 27 days prior to the outbreak. It's highly possible many carriers left the area prior to the outbreak.
So saying you could do more is totally irrelevant when the virus we are contending with is wholly unknown and doesn't present as any other.
Couldn't we just ban the virus and possession thereof?
Just claim it's a hoax like climate change.
As to global warming I suggest you check out the asteroid that parked in the Earth's gravitational pull 3 years ago (and which NASA has now confirmed) which could become our 2nd moon, and the gravitational tilt of the Sun when it approaches the narrowest arch of its elliptical cycle. Both have a greater impact upon Earth's warming and unseasonal weather than man made fluorocarbons
An asteroid the size of a car has nothing to do with Earth's warming or its unseasonal weather. It's also very likely that this little asteroid won't stay gravitationally bound to Earth so its stay is most likely temporary.
You have any sources for your later claim regarding the gravitation tilt and the elliptical cycle?
JRsec Wrote:Humanities impact, especially our pollution of the oceans, absolutely needs to be addressed.
Agreed on the pollution. The amount of plastic in the ocean is definitely a huge concern. But also the oceans are absorbing more atmospheric carbon which in turn is causing ocean acidification, which bleaches coral reefs causing marine habits to die off and disappear.
JRsec Wrote:But 1 major volcanic eruption (not super volcanic eruption) dwarfs man made carbon footprint.
People way more intelligent than JRsec Wrote:This argument that human-caused carbon emissions are merely a drop in the bucket compared to greenhouse gases generated by volcanoes has been making its way around the rumor mill for years. And while it may sound plausible, the science just doesn’t back it up.
According to the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS), the world’s volcanoes, both on land and undersea, generate about 200 million tons of carbon dioxide (CO2) annually, while our automotive and industrial activities cause some 24 billion tons of CO2 emissions every year worldwide. Despite the arguments to the contrary, the facts speak for themselves: Greenhouse gas emissions from volcanoes comprise less than one percent of those generated by today’s human endeavors.
Scientific American
Tilt in Sun's elliptical orbit was from science documentary on just a night or so ago. I found it fairly fascinating.
Agree on acidification and bleaching of corals. Screw up the Oceans and that's all she wrote.
The plastics sink when sublimated and the estrogen they give off is keeping some small ocean species which are at or near the bottom of the natural food chain from producing enough males to remain consistently reproductive. And it raises questions about the rest of the food chain as well.
I have a daughter who is documenting species appearing in the Arctic Ocean that are native to warmer oceanic latitudes.
But not helping the cause of any of this is the politicization of it. It's naturally adversarial and the data is frequently spun.
And for the record the article I read about the parked asteroid would lead you to believe it was much larger than a car. I'm not saying you are wrong, just that the indication was skewed when they said it could become our second moon. I don't think of a Honda as a moon.
RE: 'This time I'm scared': experts fear too late for China virus lockdown - Attackcoog - 02-27-2020 05:11 PM
(02-27-2020 05:01 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:(02-27-2020 04:50 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:(02-27-2020 04:43 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:(02-27-2020 01:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:(02-27-2020 01:29 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote: And the COVID19 czar is the person that oversaw the explosion of HIV in their state who's initial containment response was "pray on it."
You put people managers at the top and specific experts below them.
Trump appointed a former governor and VP of the United States. In other words, he appointed someone very familiar with directing large multi-agency governmental efforts. Pence---then added highly qualified medical professionals in the field to generate policy---while I assume Pence wlll handle the logistics of getting different state agencies to pull in one direction. Its a reasonable and competent way to go about preparing the national response to the virus. It certainly makes as much or more sense than hiring a lawyer to handle it. There just isn't much to criticize here unless you are deliberately trying to manufacture a negative talking point. Im just saying--things thus far appear to be getting handled in a very competent and reasonable manner.
The stock market obviously didn't seem to be that thrilled with both the Pence move, and the press conference itself. I'd say the press conference (and Japan's moves this morning) are the main reasons the stock market had its biggest 1-day drop in history today.
Dow down 3000 points in 4 days. It hasn't dropped this much since President Carter.
It was dropping like a rock before Pence was named. Pence had nothing to do with it. It has to do with the stock market resetting values to reflect the risk of how the Coronavirus will affect the US consumer during the next 12-18 months. For instance---new car sales in China are down 92% this month. Stocks are still massively overvalued if your looking at sales drops in the US of even half that amount over the next 12-18 months.
Succinct and true. Look at that, we agree on something
lol---it happens. Sadly---It wasnt that long ago that Dems and Reps agreed much more than they disagreed. I wish we could get back to that. In the end---we are all riding in the same boat no matter who's hand is on the tiller.
RE: 'This time I'm scared': experts fear too late for China virus lockdown - snowtiger - 02-27-2020 05:26 PM
meanwhile ...Federal health employees were ordered into unsafe zones without protective gear and the proper precautionary training, according to a gov. whistle blower.
The whistle-blower, a senior leader at the health agency, said that the team was “improperly deployed” to two military bases in California to assist the processing of Americans who had been evacuated from coronavirus hot zones in China and elsewhere.
"Without proper training or equipment, some of the exposed staff members moved freely on the base itself and around town, with at least one federal worker staying in a nearby hotel and leaving California on a commercial flight. Many were unaware of the need to test their temperature three times a day."
Quote from Gov health worker:
“I soon began to field panicked calls from my leadership team and deployed staff members expressing concerns with the lack of H.H.S. communication and coordination, staff being sent into quarantined areas without personal protective equipment, training or experience in managing public health emergencies, safety protocols and the potential danger to both themselves and members of the public they come into contact with,” the whistle-blower wrote.
In a statement on Thursday, the Department of Health and Human Services acknowledged the complaint without elaborating.
'This time I'm scared': experts fear too late for China virus lockdown - 200yrs2late - 02-27-2020 06:05 PM
Trust us, we're the govt and we are here to help.
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RE: 'This time I'm scared': experts fear too late for China virus lockdown - JRsec - 02-27-2020 06:12 PM
(02-27-2020 05:26 PM)snowtiger Wrote: meanwhile ...Federal health employees were ordered into unsafe zones without protective gear and the proper precautionary training, according to a gov. whistle blower.
The whistle-blower, a senior leader at the health agency, said that the team was “improperly deployed” to two military bases in California to assist the processing of Americans who had been evacuated from coronavirus hot zones in China and elsewhere.
"Without proper training or equipment, some of the exposed staff members moved freely on the base itself and around town, with at least one federal worker staying in a nearby hotel and leaving California on a commercial flight. Many were unaware of the need to test their temperature three times a day."
Quote from Gov health worker:
“I soon began to field panicked calls from my leadership team and deployed staff members expressing concerns with the lack of H.H.S. communication and coordination, staff being sent into quarantined areas without personal protective equipment, training or experience in managing public health emergencies, safety protocols and the potential danger to both themselves and members of the public they come into contact with,” the whistle-blower wrote.
In a statement on Thursday, the Department of Health and Human Services acknowledged the complaint without elaborating.
It proves nothing other than HHS has some never Trumpers in it who were willing to lay their lack of following protocol on the President. They are responsible for making sure they have the right gear in advance.
They knew already what protocols were being followed elsewhere and had every right to demand equipment they needed before moving in. Somebody in the chain of command decided to risk their personnel in order to create a political incident. Ends justify the means.