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RE: Boise State Lawsuit against the MWC - Hokie Mark - 01-22-2020 03:38 PM

Time to start another "Boise State and BYU to the American Athletic Conference" thread... and pop some popcorn.
07-coffee3


RE: Boise State Lawsuit against the MWC - CoastalJuan - 01-22-2020 03:39 PM

It will be interesting to see how it shakes out. The MWC didn't cancel the $1.8m bonus that everyone agreed to, and Boise signed up for the new deal despite the fact that they are now saying that they, in retrospect, didn't have enough information.

Doesn't seem like a breach of the re-entry amendment. Just seems like a case of "I didn't know what I was signing".


RE: Boise State Lawsuit against the MWC - DavidSt - 01-22-2020 03:44 PM

Could ESPN sue MWC? They want to keep them in their inventory for game rights. Without Boise State? The whole conference is screwed.


RE: Boise State Lawsuit against the MWC - quo vadis - 01-22-2020 03:46 PM

(01-22-2020 03:38 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Time to start another "Boise State and BYU to the American Athletic Conference" thread... and pop some popcorn.
07-coffee3

IIRC, Boise also sued the AAC back when, over the terms of the exit fee related to their about-face on joining the Big East.


RE: Boise State Lawsuit against the MWC - f1do - 01-22-2020 03:47 PM

(01-22-2020 03:39 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  It will be interesting to see how it shakes out. The MWC didn't cancel the $1.8m bonus that everyone agreed to, and Boise signed up for the new deal despite the fact that they are now saying that they, in retrospect, didn't have enough information.

Doesn't seem like a breach of the re-entry amendment. Just seems like a case of "I didn't know what I was signing".

Not true. From the lawsuit:
Because it lacked the required information on the CBS/Fox agreement's material terms and because the MWC, based on the alternatives it presented during the Board of Directors meeting, was not only trying to renege on its contractual obligation to pay Boise State the $1.8 million bonus, but also to deprive it of any proportionate share of the increased revenue generated by the CBS/Fox agreement even though Boise State was admittedly the driving force behind that agreement, Boise State (l) did not vote to approve or accept the CBS/Fox agreement; and (2) opposed the termination of the Re-Entry Agreement Amendment's $1.8 million bonus.


RE: Boise State Lawsuit against the MWC - MWC Tex - 01-22-2020 03:48 PM

(01-22-2020 03:44 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Could ESPN sue MWC? They want to keep them in their inventory for game rights. Without Boise State? The whole conference is screwed.

The whole conference isn’t screwed without BSU.


RE: Boise State Lawsuit against the MWC - Kit-Cat - 01-22-2020 03:52 PM

OMG.

04-jawdrop


RE: Boise State Lawsuit against the MWC - Wedge - 01-22-2020 03:52 PM

(01-22-2020 03:48 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 03:44 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Could ESPN sue MWC? They want to keep them in their inventory for game rights. Without Boise State? The whole conference is screwed.

The whole conference isn’t screwed without BSU.

The conference wouldn't go out of business or anything like that, but I'd bet that Fox and CBS have the right to cancel or renegotiate the TV deal if Boise State isn't in the conference.


RE: Boise State Lawsuit against the MWC - Kit-Cat - 01-22-2020 03:56 PM

(01-22-2020 03:48 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 03:44 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Could ESPN sue MWC? They want to keep them in their inventory for game rights. Without Boise State? The whole conference is screwed.

The whole conference isn’t screwed without BSU.

One option on the table is to have an airport meeting in Denver...

05-stirthepot


RE: Boise State Lawsuit against the MWC - MWC Tex - 01-22-2020 04:00 PM

(01-22-2020 03:52 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 03:48 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 03:44 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Could ESPN sue MWC? They want to keep them in their inventory for game rights. Without Boise State? The whole conference is screwed.

The whole conference isn’t screwed without BSU.

The conference wouldn't go out of business or anything like that, but I'd bet that Fox and CBS have the right to cancel or renegotiate the TV deal if Boise State isn't in the conference.

Of course, but even though they would at least have double than what they get now.


RE: Boise State Lawsuit against the MWC - stever20 - 01-22-2020 04:04 PM

(01-22-2020 04:00 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 03:52 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 03:48 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 03:44 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Could ESPN sue MWC? They want to keep them in their inventory for game rights. Without Boise State? The whole conference is screwed.

The whole conference isn’t screwed without BSU.

The conference wouldn't go out of business or anything like that, but I'd bet that Fox and CBS have the right to cancel or renegotiate the TV deal if Boise State isn't in the conference.

Of course, but even though they would at least have double than what they get now.

not so sure about that. If Boise went to the AAC and took San Diego St for instance with them- that's going to severely damage the MWC.

Dangerous game of chicken the MWC is playing here.


RE: Boise State Lawsuit against the MWC - MWC Tex - 01-22-2020 04:15 PM

(01-22-2020 03:52 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 03:48 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 03:44 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Could ESPN sue MWC? They want to keep them in their inventory for game rights. Without Boise State? The whole conference is screwed.

The whole conference isn’t screwed without BSU.

The conference wouldn't go out of business or anything like that, but I'd bet that Fox and CBS have the right to cancel or renegotiate the TV deal if Boise State isn't in the conference.

Of course, but even though they would at least have double than what they get now.


RE: Boise State Lawsuit against the MWC - CoastalJuan - 01-22-2020 04:22 PM

(01-22-2020 03:47 PM)f1do Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 03:39 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  It will be interesting to see how it shakes out. The MWC didn't cancel the $1.8m bonus that everyone agreed to, and Boise signed up for the new deal despite the fact that they are now saying that they, in retrospect, didn't have enough information.

Doesn't seem like a breach of the re-entry amendment. Just seems like a case of "I didn't know what I was signing".

Not true. From the lawsuit:
Because it lacked the required information on the CBS/Fox agreement's material terms and because the MWC, based on the alternatives it presented during the Board of Directors meeting, was not only trying to renege on its contractual obligation to pay Boise State the $1.8 million bonus, but also to deprive it of any proportionate share of the increased revenue generated by the CBS/Fox agreement even though Boise State was admittedly the driving force behind that agreement, Boise State (l) did not vote to approve or accept the CBS/Fox agreement; and (2) opposed the termination of the Re-Entry Agreement Amendment's $1.8 million bonus.

You're right. When I initially read it, I was thinking they were saying that because they didn't have enough information, their agreement was not effective/enforceable. Didn't realize their dissent was from the get go.


RE: Boise State Lawsuit against the MWC - The Cutter of Bish - 01-22-2020 04:22 PM

(01-22-2020 03:19 PM)johnintx Wrote:  Looks like the rest of the MW is looking for a way to make Boise's pay equal to the rest of the conference, and the commissioner is in on it.

Boise will end up with another conference arrangement before this is through.

The joke's on Boise. The way Boise handled themselves with the Big East/AAC didn't do them any favors. So, if Boise's going somewhere else, it won't be lateral or higher in terms of conference prestige.

Plus, the way Boise tried publicly lobbying for Big Sky and Big West inclusion to park their olympic sports, as well as how the school pretty much labeled anything not as football as second-class?

Someone's forcing Boise's hand in terms of leverage. And they know Boise's sitting on a **** hand.

Indy football, WAC ollies. Calling it now.


RE: Boise State Lawsuit against the MWC - SactoHornetAlum - 01-22-2020 04:36 PM

This is what we call in California a frivolous lawsuit. There is no a way the Mountain West will get a fair hearing if its held in Ada County, let alone the rest of the State of Idaho.


Boise State Lawsuit against the MWC - 1845 Bear - 01-22-2020 04:38 PM

(01-22-2020 04:22 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 03:19 PM)johnintx Wrote:  Looks like the rest of the MW is looking for a way to make Boise's pay equal to the rest of the conference, and the commissioner is in on it.

Boise will end up with another conference arrangement before this is through.

The joke's on Boise. The way Boise handled themselves with the Big East/AAC didn't do them any favors. So, if Boise's going somewhere else, it won't be lateral or higher in terms of conference prestige.

Plus, the way Boise tried publicly lobbying for Big Sky and Big West inclusion to park their olympic sports, as well as how the school pretty much labeled anything not as football as second-class?

Someone's forcing Boise's hand in terms of leverage. And they know Boise's sitting on a **** hand.

Indy football, WAC ollies. Calling it now.


I could see the AAC offer a lifeline to their football. 11 teams right now getting to 12 with the best football program available which instantly makes any P6 idea far more credible.


RE: Boise State Lawsuit against the MWC - bullet - 01-22-2020 04:42 PM

(01-22-2020 02:45 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  A lawsuit for 6 years in the future?

If the MW presidents decided to end the deal in 6 years, I guess BSU will be voted out of the conference by then.

The lawsuit will be thrown out quickly if that's all its about and they might have to pay the MWC's attorney fees for a frivilous suit.

I'm not going to read through the rest, but there is almost certainly something other than that. <I see they are challenging the current contract in addition to the nonsense about 6 years from now>


RE: Boise State Lawsuit against the MWC - The Cutter of Bish - 01-22-2020 04:44 PM

(01-22-2020 04:38 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 04:22 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 03:19 PM)johnintx Wrote:  Looks like the rest of the MW is looking for a way to make Boise's pay equal to the rest of the conference, and the commissioner is in on it.

Boise will end up with another conference arrangement before this is through.

The joke's on Boise. The way Boise handled themselves with the Big East/AAC didn't do them any favors. So, if Boise's going somewhere else, it won't be lateral or higher in terms of conference prestige.

Plus, the way Boise tried publicly lobbying for Big Sky and Big West inclusion to park their olympic sports, as well as how the school pretty much labeled anything not as football as second-class?

Someone's forcing Boise's hand in terms of leverage. And they know Boise's sitting on a **** hand.

Indy football, WAC ollies. Calling it now.


I could see the AAC offer a lifeline to their football. 11 teams right now getting to 12 with the best football program available which instantly makes any P6 idea far more credible.

AFA, BYU, and even SDSU (still) offer that same credibility. When the AAC did that before, Boise strung them out and then skipped on paying. The conference sued Boise. SDSU handled their business better.

Boise really showed who and what they really are/were in that whole thing. It was putrid.

And I don't think Boise have themselves in check were they to inquire to the AAC. They'd want what Navy has. But Boise is no Navy.


RE: Boise State Lawsuit against the MWC - bullet - 01-22-2020 04:45 PM

(01-22-2020 03:08 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 03:00 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 02:47 PM)Wedge Wrote:  They have a contract. Boise State says the contract is important to them. The MWC commissioner said, "We are going to ignore this contract from now on." Presumably, lawyers told Boise State that if they just let those comments go, the MWC would take the position that Boise State agreed with Thompson's comments.

I don't think the MW statement about not paying the bonus after 2025 is the real issue here. Until the MW actually stops paying the bonus, those are just words and Boise has suffered no harm. It's like if I have a divorce settlement that calls for me to pay $2000 a month to my ex, and I tell her starting next month I'm not paying, she can't complain to the judge until i actually miss a payment. And so far, the MW hasn't missed a payment.

So I think the real issue is Boise's desire to get *more* than the $1.8m bonus in the new TV deal. If I read the suit correctly, Boise is saying that because the new deal is worth a lot more than the old deal, that Boise should get their bonus increased as well. Boise seems to be saying that this was agreed to by MW officials, but now the MW isn't going along.

Boise doesn't give an exact amount of an increase they want, but doing some math:

If the current deal is for $13m a year, and Boise gets $1.8m off the top and then everyone gets approximately $1.1m after that (including Boise), then Boise's bonus is about 13% of the value of the deal.

The new announced deal is for $45m annually, so 14% of that would be over $6m dollars! And that's just the bonus, Boise then would get a full regular share, same as every other MW school save Hawaii.

Boise might be thinking it deserves to be paid about $9m in media money from the new deal, with everyone else making around $3m.

Yeah. I don’t see the rest of the conference going to allow for BSU to get double what the rest of the conference gets.

I hope Boise realizes that they aren’t just suing the conference but their fellow members also

Yeah. They are burning bridges suing the other presidents individually.


RE: Boise State Lawsuit against the MWC - bullet - 01-22-2020 04:49 PM

(01-22-2020 03:19 PM)f1do Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 03:00 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I don't think the MW statement about not paying the bonus after 2025 is the real issue here. Until the MW actually stops paying the bonus, those are just words and Boise has suffered no harm. It's like if I have a divorce settlement that calls for me to pay $2000 a month to my ex, and I tell her starting next month I'm not paying, she can't complain to the judge until i actually miss a payment. And so far, the MW hasn't missed a payment.

So I think the real issue is Boise's desire to get *more* than the $1.8m bonus in the new TV deal. If I read the suit correctly, Boise is saying that because the new deal is worth a lot more than the old deal, that Boise should get their bonus increased as well. Boise seems to be saying that this was agreed to by MW officials, but now the MW isn't going along.

Boise doesn't give an exact amount of an increase they want, but doing some math:

If the current deal is for $13m a year, and Boise gets $1.8m off the top and then everyone gets approximately $1.1m after that (including Boise), then Boise's bonus is about 13% of the value of the deal.

The new announced deal is for $45m annually, so 14% of that would be over $6m dollars! And that's just the bonus, Boise then would get a full regular share, same as every other MW school save Hawaii.

Boise might be thinking it deserves to be paid about $9m in media money from the new deal, with everyone else making around $3m.

The immediate problem seems to be not only the bonus payment--but that Boise State was not provided the details regarding the sale of the rights to their home and away games as the re-entry agreement outlined. The MWC negotiated and agreed on the new TV deal without provided Boise State those details. So could they legally call into question the validity of the new TV deal--saying that the MWC didn't get consent of all parties as required before signing the deal? Using that as leverage to get what they feel they were promised in their re-entry contract...

Boise's lawyers claim that material terms were not disclosed. It may or may not be true. You would think they would have insisted on a delay until all the terms were known. But then the MWC has always been dysfunctional.