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NET, KenPom, Sagarin of 12/25/19 - Tiger1983 - 12-26-2019 02:56 PM
School//NET/KenPom/Sagarin
WSU// 11/33/20
Memphis// 15/30/14
Houston// 29/25/21
Temple// 42/59/60
UConn// 65/54/65
SMU// 81/92/88
Cincy// 87/56/62
UCF// 96/103/94
Tulsa// 123/123/144
Tulane// 142/209/178
USF// 152/114/119
ECU// 218/256/223
Note: Information presented for entertainment purposes. Although each passing game adds more data and more validity, it is still too early to rely on the ratings for ranking purposes.
RE: NET, KenPom, Sagarin of 12/25/19 - TheOrigamiJimmyChin - 12-26-2019 04:00 PM
KenPom is the only legit rating. NET and Sagarin are OBVIOUSLY biased.
RE: NET, KenPom, Sagarin of 12/25/19 - Tiger1983 - 12-26-2019 04:09 PM
(12-26-2019 04:00 PM)TheOrigamiJimmyChin Wrote: KenPom is the only legit rating. NET and Sagarin are OBVIOUSLY biased.
Quote: When is the influence of preseason ratings removed from the system?
As of 2018, it is 73 days from the date of the first game. This ends up being sometime around January 20th. However, the influence of the preseason ratings is gradually reduced between the first week of the season and this point, so that the influence of the preseason ratings is minimal in mid-January.
https://kenpom.com/contact.php
RE: NET, KenPom, Sagarin of 12/25/19 - jedclampett - 12-26-2019 04:19 PM
(12-26-2019 02:56 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote: School//NET/KenPom/Sagarin/Massey Composite
WSU// 11/33/20/21
Memphis// 15/30/14/18
Houston// 29/25/21/43
Temple// 42/59/60/47
UConn// 65/54/65/60
SMU// 81/92/88/97
Cincy// 87/56/62/75
UCF// 96/103/94/89
Tulsa// 123/123/144/131
Tulane// 142/209/178/163
USF// 152/114/119/124
ECU// 218/256/223/239
Version with Massey composite included.
The Massey composite is the mathematical average of 47 ranking systems, including NET, Pomeroy, and Sagarin.
https://www.masseyratings.com/ranks?s=cb2020&sub=200137
RE: NET, KenPom, Sagarin of 12/25/19 - TheOrigamiJimmyChin - 12-26-2019 04:32 PM
(12-26-2019 04:09 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:(12-26-2019 04:00 PM)TheOrigamiJimmyChin Wrote: KenPom is the only legit rating. NET and Sagarin are OBVIOUSLY biased.
Quote: When is the influence of preseason ratings removed from the system?
As of 2018, it is 73 days from the date of the first game. This ends up being sometime around January 20th. However, the influence of the preseason ratings is gradually reduced between the first week of the season and this point, so that the influence of the preseason ratings is minimal in mid-January.
https://kenpom.com/contact.php
The Jimmy Chin system says that bias is removed from the system only when the Coogs are ranked higher.
RE: NET, KenPom, Sagarin of 12/25/19 - Tiger1983 - 12-26-2019 04:55 PM
(12-26-2019 04:19 PM)jedclampett Wrote:(12-26-2019 02:56 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote: School//NET/KenPom/Sagarin/Massey Composite
WSU// 11/33/20/21
Memphis// 15/30/14/18
Houston// 29/25/21/43
Temple// 42/59/60/47
UConn// 65/54/65/60
SMU// 81/92/88/97
Cincy// 87/56/62/75
UCF// 96/103/94/89
Tulsa// 123/123/144/131
Tulane// 142/209/178/163
USF// 152/114/119/124
ECU// 218/256/223/239
Version with Massey composite included.
The Massey composite is the mathematical average of 47 ranking systems, including NET, Pomeroy, and Sagarin.
https://www.masseyratings.com/ranks?s=cb2020&sub=200137
The Massey Index is effective 12/22/19 - before the wins by SMU and Houston.
RE: NET, KenPom, Sagarin of 12/25/19 - Miggy - 12-26-2019 05:20 PM
(12-26-2019 04:55 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:(12-26-2019 04:19 PM)jedclampett Wrote:(12-26-2019 02:56 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote: School//NET/KenPom/Sagarin/Massey Composite
WSU// 11/33/20/21
Memphis// 15/30/14/18
Houston// 29/25/21/43
Temple// 42/59/60/47
UConn// 65/54/65/60
SMU// 81/92/88/97
Cincy// 87/56/62/75
UCF// 96/103/94/89
Tulsa// 123/123/144/131
Tulane// 142/209/178/163
USF// 152/114/119/124
ECU// 218/256/223/239
Version with Massey composite included.
The Massey composite is the mathematical average of 47 ranking systems, including NET, Pomeroy, and Sagarin.
https://www.masseyratings.com/ranks?s=cb2020&sub=200137
The Massey Index is effective 12/22/19 - before the wins by SMU and Houston.
Should include Bart Torvik’s rankings.
RE: NET, KenPom, Sagarin of 12/25/19 - jedclampett - 12-26-2019 05:30 PM
(12-26-2019 04:55 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:(12-26-2019 04:19 PM)jedclampett Wrote:(12-26-2019 02:56 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote: School//NET/KenPom/Sagarin/Massey Composite
WSU// 11/33/20/21
Memphis// 15/30/14/18
Houston// 29/25/21/43
Temple// 42/59/60/47
UConn// 65/54/65/60
SMU// 81/92/88/97
Cincy// 87/56/62/75
UCF// 96/103/94/89
Tulsa// 123/123/144/131
Tulane// 142/209/178/163
USF// 152/114/119/124
ECU// 218/256/223/239
Version with Massey composite included.
The Massey composite is the mathematical average of 47 ranking systems, including NET, Pomeroy, and Sagarin.
https://www.masseyratings.com/ranks?s=cb2020&sub=200137
The Massey Index is effective 12/22/19 - before the wins by SMU and Houston.
Makes perfect sense - - that would be the reason why the Massey Composite rankings above are out of synch with those for Houston and SMU. two examples illustrate the impact that a good win can have on rankings.
Astonishing how quickly Houston has moved up in the rankings. It appears possible that the AAC could have 3 top 25 teams within the next few weeks.
RE: NET, KenPom, Sagarin of 12/25/19 - Tiger1983 - 12-26-2019 05:38 PM
(12-26-2019 05:20 PM)Miggy Wrote:Feel free....(12-26-2019 04:55 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:(12-26-2019 04:19 PM)jedclampett Wrote:(12-26-2019 02:56 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote: School//NET/KenPom/Sagarin/Massey Composite
WSU// 11/33/20/21
Memphis// 15/30/14/18
Houston// 29/25/21/43
Temple// 42/59/60/47
UConn// 65/54/65/60
SMU// 81/92/88/97
Cincy// 87/56/62/75
UCF// 96/103/94/89
Tulsa// 123/123/144/131
Tulane// 142/209/178/163
USF// 152/114/119/124
ECU// 218/256/223/239
Version with Massey composite included.
The Massey composite is the mathematical average of 47 ranking systems, including NET, Pomeroy, and Sagarin.
https://www.masseyratings.com/ranks?s=cb2020&sub=200137
The Massey Index is effective 12/22/19 - before the wins by SMU and Houston.
Should include Bart Torvik’s rankings.
RE: NET, KenPom, Sagarin of 12/25/19 - TripleA - 12-26-2019 07:43 PM
(12-26-2019 04:19 PM)jedclampett Wrote:(12-26-2019 02:56 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote: School//NET/KenPom/Sagarin/Massey Composite
WSU// 11/33/20/21
Memphis// 15/30/14/18
Houston// 29/25/21/43
Temple// 42/59/60/47
UConn// 65/54/65/60
SMU// 81/92/88/97
Cincy// 87/56/62/75
UCF// 96/103/94/89
Tulsa// 123/123/144/131
Tulane// 142/209/178/163
USF// 152/114/119/124
ECU// 218/256/223/239
Version with Massey composite included.
The Massey composite is the mathematical average of 47 ranking systems, including NET, Pomeroy, and Sagarin.
https://www.masseyratings.com/ranks?s=cb2020&sub=200137
Actually, I think it's 106 rankings. Whatever the number, that's the most legit ranking, IMO.
RE: NET, KenPom, Sagarin of 12/25/19 - Tigers2B1 - 12-26-2019 10:01 PM
Someone needs to shoot East Carolina's basketball program and put it out of its decades of misery.
RE: NET, KenPom, Sagarin of 12/25/19 - PirateMarv - 12-26-2019 11:21 PM
(12-26-2019 10:01 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote: Someone needs to shoot East Carolina's basketball program and put it out of its decades of misery.
Actually now that most of the injured players are back they are not that bad. Mind you now we are not paying players or none of that crap, but the players that are there are not too bad.
NET, KenPom, Sagarin of 12/25/19 - Stickboy46 - 12-29-2019 05:54 PM
Wichita moves into the Top 10 of the NET. Memphis up to 13
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RE: NET, KenPom, Sagarin of 12/25/19 - Tiger1983 - 12-29-2019 05:57 PM
(12-29-2019 05:54 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote: Wichita moves into the Top 10 of the NET. Memphis up to 13
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Pounding inferior opponents tends to improve NET standing. It is an an unfortunate incentive potentially harming good sportsmanship.
Addendum: I do not think Memphis displayed poor sportsmanship yesterday. No one played over 25 minutes and we backed off our most effective press.
RE: NET, KenPom, Sagarin of 12/25/19 - sherekhan - 12-29-2019 06:29 PM
Wow, San Diego St. ranked #1? That's not something you see very often.
If the NET rewards teams by margin of victory, then we must crush our opponents without mercy. Tulane is on deck
RE: NET, KenPom, Sagarin of 12/25/19 - ShockerFever - 12-29-2019 07:47 PM
(12-29-2019 05:57 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:(12-29-2019 05:54 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote: Wichita moves into the Top 10 of the NET. Memphis up to 13
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Pounding inferior opponents tends to improve NET standing. It is an an unfortunate incentive potentially harming good sportsmanship.
Addendum: I do not think Memphis displayed poor sportsmanship yesterday. No one played over 25 minutes and we backed off our most effective press.
The margin of victory is capped at 10 so your point is moot.
RE: NET, KenPom, Sagarin of 12/25/19 - pesik - 12-29-2019 08:02 PM
(12-29-2019 05:54 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote: Wichita moves into the Top 10 of the NET. Memphis up to 13
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gtech already to 113 in the NET, since since we were just talking about this 3 days ago.. and that they couldnt move up from 156 to top 100 by seasons end
NET, KenPom, Sagarin of 12/25/19 - Stickboy46 - 12-29-2019 09:49 PM
Tennessee has dropped all the way down to 72. 3 more spots and they move out of Q2 for Cincy. That would leave them with 0-3 vs Q1 and Q2 for the non con.
Also would move to Q2 for Memphis.
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RE: NET, KenPom, Sagarin of 12/25/19 - Tiger1983 - 12-29-2019 09:52 PM
(12-29-2019 07:47 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:(12-29-2019 05:57 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:(12-29-2019 05:54 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote: Wichita moves into the Top 10 of the NET. Memphis up to 13
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Pounding inferior opponents tends to improve NET standing. It is an an unfortunate incentive potentially harming good sportsmanship.
Addendum: I do not think Memphis displayed poor sportsmanship yesterday. No one played over 25 minutes and we backed off our most effective press.
The margin of victory is capped at 10 so your point is moot.
The margin of victory is capped at 10, but the second highest weighted component is “NET Efficiency”. Upon examination of the elements comprising “NET Efficiency”, the reader can see it is highly sensitive to blowouts.
https://www.al.com/auburnbasketball/2019/01/sec-coaches-discuss-ncaas-new-net-ranking-system-and-why-it-might-encourage-running-up-the-score.html
RE: NET, KenPom, Sagarin of 12/25/19 - stxrunner - 12-29-2019 09:54 PM
(12-29-2019 07:47 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:(12-29-2019 05:57 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:(12-29-2019 05:54 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote: Wichita moves into the Top 10 of the NET. Memphis up to 13
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Pounding inferior opponents tends to improve NET standing. It is an an unfortunate incentive potentially harming good sportsmanship.
Addendum: I do not think Memphis displayed poor sportsmanship yesterday. No one played over 25 minutes and we backed off our most effective press.
The margin of victory is capped at 10 so your point is moot.
Only one part of the formula caps the margin of victory. The unadjusted off/def portion effectively is an uncapped margin of victory metric. It’s why teams make big moves after blowout results.