(08-08-2019 06:27 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  It's not just about money, premier SEC schools are afraid of road OOC games. LSU is the only team that travels anywhere

(08-11-2019 08:28 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(08-11-2019 06:45 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-06-2019 02:14 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Orlando Sentinel reports

I wouldn't be too surprised to see series with Florida and/or Alabama in the not too distant future.

Would be great for the sport. It certainly would be a lot more fun to play those games than a bunch of FCS schools.

USF forced White to fold.

Not really, UF will do a 2-1 with usf because usf plays in a rented NFL stadium, they will never play at Spectrum where their fans won't make up half the crowd. White (kinda) folded because no one will schedule us in a 1-1 the last 2 years, he mentioned that in an interview. He said "I've called just about every P5 AD that makes sense to play and none have returned my calls".

(08-06-2019 02:31 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(08-06-2019 02:23 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(08-06-2019 02:14 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Orlando Sentinel reports

I wouldn't be too surprised to see series with Florida and/or Alabama in the not too distant future.

Would be great for the sport. It certainly would be a lot more fun to play those games than a bunch of FCS schools.

The problem is that UF doesn't want a 2-1, they want a 2-0-1, which is unacceptable. Idk about Alabama but their stance is probably the same. These teams just don't want to play at Spectrum Stadium, which is why White mentions that this series will never happen.

UCF should call South Carolina again. I would say the only reason we did a home and home was because of Spurrier, but we did just agree to a 2 for 1 with App State so I think UCF could definitely get that.

(08-12-2019 07:41 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-11-2019 08:28 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(08-11-2019 06:45 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-06-2019 02:14 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Orlando Sentinel reports

I wouldn't be too surprised to see series with Florida and/or Alabama in the not too distant future.

Would be great for the sport. It certainly would be a lot more fun to play those games than a bunch of FCS schools.

USF forced White to fold.

Not really, UF will do a 2-1 with usf because usf plays in a rented NFL stadium, they will never play at Spectrum where their fans won't make up half the crowd. White (kinda) folded because no one will schedule us in a 1-1 the last 2 years, he mentioned that in an interview. He said "I've called just about every P5 AD that makes sense to play and none have returned my calls".

I think so. I mean sure, had UCF been signing up big-name P5s with 1-1s, then White doesn't fold. But the USF/UCF scheduling philosophy conflict has attracted media attention and comparisons, and USF's ability to sign some high-profile 2-1s cast an unfavorable light on White's inability to do the same with his defiant 1-1 stance.

It was the pressure of USF's scheduling success that cast White's 1-1 failures in to stark relief, that forced the El Foldo.

(08-13-2019 04:11 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(08-12-2019 07:41 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-11-2019 08:28 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(08-11-2019 06:45 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-06-2019 02:14 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Orlando Sentinel reports

I wouldn't be too surprised to see series with Florida and/or Alabama in the not too distant future.

Would be great for the sport. It certainly would be a lot more fun to play those games than a bunch of FCS schools.

USF forced White to fold.

Not really, UF will do a 2-1 with usf because usf plays in a rented NFL stadium, they will never play at Spectrum where their fans won't make up half the crowd. White (kinda) folded because no one will schedule us in a 1-1 the last 2 years, he mentioned that in an interview. He said "I've called just about every P5 AD that makes sense to play and none have returned my calls".

I think so. I mean sure, had UCF been signing up big-name P5s with 1-1s, then White doesn't fold. But the USF/UCF scheduling philosophy conflict has attracted media attention and comparisons, and USF's ability to sign some high-profile 2-1s cast an unfavorable light on White's inability to do the same with his defiant 1-1 stance.

It was the pressure of USF's scheduling success that cast White's 1-1 failures in to stark relief, that forced the El Foldo.

What was the El Fold that USF brought on.

(08-12-2019 08:27 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  

(08-06-2019 02:31 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(08-06-2019 02:23 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(08-06-2019 02:14 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Orlando Sentinel reports

I wouldn't be too surprised to see series with Florida and/or Alabama in the not too distant future.

Would be great for the sport. It certainly would be a lot more fun to play those games than a bunch of FCS schools.

The problem is that UF doesn't want a 2-1, they want a 2-0-1, which is unacceptable. Idk about Alabama but their stance is probably the same. These teams just don't want to play at Spectrum Stadium, which is why White mentions that this series will never happen.

UCF should call South Carolina again. I would say the only reason we did a home and home was because of Spurrier, but we did just agree to a 2 for 1 with App State so I think UCF could definitely get that.

South Carolina vs UCF was actually a 2 for 1. 2005 @USC, 2013 @UCF, 2015 @USC

(08-09-2019 09:00 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(08-07-2019 04:32 PM)TTT Wrote:  Hear me out...the SEC's premier schools (Alabama, LSU, Florida, Auburn, Tennessee, UGA, etc.) will never, and I repeat NEVER play an away OOC game AT a G5 school. You might can get them to do it at a neutral site if it's got some big biz behind it (like that UGA/Boise kick off game a few years ago)...but a true away OOC game at a G5 school? Won't ever happen anymore. Why? Think about it...they have nothing to gain and imagine how much $ they would lose by NOT having that home OOC game vs some cream puff in front of 80+ thousand.

That's simply not true. There's plenty of schools with stadiums of 80,000+ who have future games scheduled at G5s:

Oklahoma @ Army 2020, @ Tulane 2021, @ Temple 2025
FSU @ Boise 2021
Florida @ USF 2021
Alabama @ USF 2023
Tennessee @ BYU 2023
Nebraska @ Cincinnati 2025
Penn State @ Temple 2026
Notre Dame @ Navy almost every other year
Also, Texas & LSU both play Rice at the Houston Texans' stadium. That's not exactly a neutral site.

(08-13-2019 09:14 AM)TTT Wrote:  

(08-09-2019 09:00 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(08-07-2019 04:32 PM)TTT Wrote:  Hear me out...the SEC's premier schools (Alabama, LSU, Florida, Auburn, Tennessee, UGA, etc.) will never, and I repeat NEVER play an away OOC game AT a G5 school. You might can get them to do it at a neutral site if it's got some big biz behind it (like that UGA/Boise kick off game a few years ago)...but a true away OOC game at a G5 school? Won't ever happen anymore. Why? Think about it...they have nothing to gain and imagine how much $ they would lose by NOT having that home OOC game vs some cream puff in front of 80+ thousand.

That's simply not true. There's plenty of schools with stadiums of 80,000+ who have future games scheduled at G5s:

Oklahoma @ Army 2020, @ Tulane 2021, @ Temple 2025
FSU @ Boise 2021
Florida @ USF 2021
Alabama @ USF 2023
Tennessee @ BYU 2023
Nebraska @ Cincinnati 2025
Penn State @ Temple 2026
Notre Dame @ Navy almost every other year
Also, Texas & LSU both play Rice at the Houston Texans' stadium. That's not exactly a neutral site.

I stand corrected.

BUT these are very rare. The only games in this list that really stick out are Alabama & Florida at USF. Kudos to USF for getting those deals. I'm actually shocked but then again, it kinda makes sense if you're Alabama and Florida to do a 2 for 1 with USF = expanding your recruiting footprint into prime recruiting territory/NFL stadium (if it wasn't already). Also, BYU is indy...and with their incredibly huge brand value, it make all the sense in the world for any P5 team to play at BYU (be it h&h or 2 for 1). Same kinda goes for the academy schools. The others listed are obviously recruiting workshop games in larger metro areas. You'll never seen Auburn play at Southern Miss, or Georgia at ECU, or LSU at Marshall, or Texas AM at Arkansas State.

I'll revise my statement: you'll never see the SEC's premier teams play true OOC road games at G5 schools unless they are in huge metro areas (for obv recruiting strategies) or service Academy schools.

(08-13-2019 10:03 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 09:14 AM)TTT Wrote:  

(08-09-2019 09:00 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(08-07-2019 04:32 PM)TTT Wrote:  Hear me out...the SEC's premier schools (Alabama, LSU, Florida, Auburn, Tennessee, UGA, etc.) will never, and I repeat NEVER play an away OOC game AT a G5 school. You might can get them to do it at a neutral site if it's got some big biz behind it (like that UGA/Boise kick off game a few years ago)...but a true away OOC game at a G5 school? Won't ever happen anymore. Why? Think about it...they have nothing to gain and imagine how much $ they would lose by NOT having that home OOC game vs some cream puff in front of 80+ thousand.

That's simply not true. There's plenty of schools with stadiums of 80,000+ who have future games scheduled at G5s:

Oklahoma @ Army 2020, @ Tulane 2021, @ Temple 2025
FSU @ Boise 2021
Florida @ USF 2021
Alabama @ USF 2023
Tennessee @ BYU 2023
Nebraska @ Cincinnati 2025
Penn State @ Temple 2026
Notre Dame @ Navy almost every other year
Also, Texas & LSU both play Rice at the Houston Texans' stadium. That's not exactly a neutral site.

I stand corrected.

BUT these are very rare. The only games in this list that really stick out are Alabama & Florida at USF. Kudos to USF for getting those deals. I'm actually shocked but then again, it kinda makes sense if you're Alabama and Florida to do a 2 for 1 with USF = expanding your recruiting footprint into prime recruiting territory/NFL stadium (if it wasn't already). Also, BYU is indy...and with their incredibly huge brand value, it make all the sense in the world for any P5 team to play at BYU (be it h&h or 2 for 1). Same kinda goes for the academy schools. The others listed are obviously recruiting workshop games in larger metro areas. You'll never seen Auburn play at Southern Miss, or Georgia at ECU, or LSU at Marshall, or Texas AM at Arkansas State.

I'll revise my statement: you'll never see the SEC's premier teams play true OOC road games at G5 schools unless they are in huge metro areas (for obv recruiting strategies) or service Academy schools.

Seems like you’re moving the goalposts awfully far here. So now it has to be a “premier team” going to G5 stadium and now it has to be in a rural area too?

(08-13-2019 11:17 AM)TTT Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 10:03 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 09:14 AM)TTT Wrote:  

(08-09-2019 09:00 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(08-07-2019 04:32 PM)TTT Wrote:  Hear me out...the SEC's premier schools (Alabama, LSU, Florida, Auburn, Tennessee, UGA, etc.) will never, and I repeat NEVER play an away OOC game AT a G5 school. You might can get them to do it at a neutral site if it's got some big biz behind it (like that UGA/Boise kick off game a few years ago)...but a true away OOC game at a G5 school? Won't ever happen anymore. Why? Think about it...they have nothing to gain and imagine how much $ they would lose by NOT having that home OOC game vs some cream puff in front of 80+ thousand.

That's simply not true. There's plenty of schools with stadiums of 80,000+ who have future games scheduled at G5s:

Oklahoma @ Army 2020, @ Tulane 2021, @ Temple 2025
FSU @ Boise 2021
Florida @ USF 2021
Alabama @ USF 2023
Tennessee @ BYU 2023
Nebraska @ Cincinnati 2025
Penn State @ Temple 2026
Notre Dame @ Navy almost every other year
Also, Texas & LSU both play Rice at the Houston Texans' stadium. That's not exactly a neutral site.

I stand corrected.

BUT these are very rare. The only games in this list that really stick out are Alabama & Florida at USF. Kudos to USF for getting those deals. I'm actually shocked but then again, it kinda makes sense if you're Alabama and Florida to do a 2 for 1 with USF = expanding your recruiting footprint into prime recruiting territory/NFL stadium (if it wasn't already). Also, BYU is indy...and with their incredibly huge brand value, it make all the sense in the world for any P5 team to play at BYU (be it h&h or 2 for 1). Same kinda goes for the academy schools. The others listed are obviously recruiting workshop games in larger metro areas. You'll never seen Auburn play at Southern Miss, or Georgia at ECU, or LSU at Marshall, or Texas AM at Arkansas State.

I'll revise my statement: you'll never see the SEC's premier teams play true OOC road games at G5 schools unless they are in huge metro areas (for obv recruiting strategies) or service Academy schools.

Seems like you’re moving the goalposts awfully far here. So now it has to be a “premier team” going to G5 stadium and now it has to be in a rural area too?

I mentioned SEC's premier teams from the get-go. Read above in the first quote.

(08-13-2019 01:22 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 11:17 AM)TTT Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 10:03 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 09:14 AM)TTT Wrote:  

(08-09-2019 09:00 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  That's simply not true. There's plenty of schools with stadiums of 80,000+ who have future games scheduled at G5s:

Oklahoma @ Army 2020, @ Tulane 2021, @ Temple 2025
FSU @ Boise 2021
Florida @ USF 2021
Alabama @ USF 2023
Tennessee @ BYU 2023
Nebraska @ Cincinnati 2025
Penn State @ Temple 2026
Notre Dame @ Navy almost every other year
Also, Texas & LSU both play Rice at the Houston Texans' stadium. That's not exactly a neutral site.

I stand corrected.

BUT these are very rare. The only games in this list that really stick out are Alabama & Florida at USF. Kudos to USF for getting those deals. I'm actually shocked but then again, it kinda makes sense if you're Alabama and Florida to do a 2 for 1 with USF = expanding your recruiting footprint into prime recruiting territory/NFL stadium (if it wasn't already). Also, BYU is indy...and with their incredibly huge brand value, it make all the sense in the world for any P5 team to play at BYU (be it h&h or 2 for 1). Same kinda goes for the academy schools. The others listed are obviously recruiting workshop games in larger metro areas. You'll never seen Auburn play at Southern Miss, or Georgia at ECU, or LSU at Marshall, or Texas AM at Arkansas State.

I'll revise my statement: you'll never see the SEC's premier teams play true OOC road games at G5 schools unless they are in huge metro areas (for obv recruiting strategies) or service Academy schools.

Seems like you’re moving the goalposts awfully far here. So now it has to be a “premier team” going to G5 stadium and now it has to be in a rural area too?

I mentioned SEC's premier teams from the get-go. Read above in the first quote.

And I posted a list of every SEC teams last game at a G5 opponent. Auburn, UF, and UGA are the only schools that haven’t done so recently. UGA/UF have an annual neutral site game and UGA plays a very aggressive OOC schedule. It’s just weird to move the goalposts now that these games have to all be at rural schools as well

Alabama @ Hawaii 2003 (scheduled under unusual circumstances)
Arkansas @ Colorado State 2018
Auburn @ Memphis 1976
Georgia @ Tulane 1972
Florida @ Memphis 1989
Kentucky @ Southern Miss 2017
LSU @ Tulane 2007
Mississippi St @ La Tech 2017
Missouri @ UConn 2017
Ole Miss @ Memphis 2015
South Carolina @UCF 2013
Tennessee @ Memphis 2010
Texas A&M @ SMU 2014
Vanderbilt @ MTSU 2017

(08-13-2019 07:35 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 04:11 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(08-12-2019 07:41 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-11-2019 08:28 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(08-11-2019 06:45 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  USF forced White to fold.

Not really, UF will do a 2-1 with usf because usf plays in a rented NFL stadium, they will never play at Spectrum where their fans won't make up half the crowd. White (kinda) folded because no one will schedule us in a 1-1 the last 2 years, he mentioned that in an interview. He said "I've called just about every P5 AD that makes sense to play and none have returned my calls".

I think so. I mean sure, had UCF been signing up big-name P5s with 1-1s, then White doesn't fold. But the USF/UCF scheduling philosophy conflict has attracted media attention and comparisons, and USF's ability to sign some high-profile 2-1s cast an unfavorable light on White's inability to do the same with his defiant 1-1 stance.

It was the pressure of USF's scheduling success that cast White's 1-1 failures in to stark relief, that forced the El Foldo.

What was the El Fold that USF brought on.

(08-15-2019 05:47 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 07:35 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 04:11 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(08-12-2019 07:41 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-11-2019 08:28 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  Not really, UF will do a 2-1 with usf because usf plays in a rented NFL stadium, they will never play at Spectrum where their fans won't make up half the crowd. White (kinda) folded because no one will schedule us in a 1-1 the last 2 years, he mentioned that in an interview. He said "I've called just about every P5 AD that makes sense to play and none have returned my calls".

I think so. I mean sure, had UCF been signing up big-name P5s with 1-1s, then White doesn't fold. But the USF/UCF scheduling philosophy conflict has attracted media attention and comparisons, and USF's ability to sign some high-profile 2-1s cast an unfavorable light on White's inability to do the same with his defiant 1-1 stance.

It was the pressure of USF's scheduling success that cast White's 1-1 failures in to stark relief, that forced the El Foldo.

What was the El Fold that USF brought on.

Are you talking about my typing snafu or USF's way of making money for their school by losing a home game. I just do not see the failure, money wise, for UCF.

(08-15-2019 06:56 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 05:47 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 07:35 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 04:11 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(08-12-2019 07:41 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I think so. I mean sure, had UCF been signing up big-name P5s with 1-1s, then White doesn't fold. But the USF/UCF scheduling philosophy conflict has attracted media attention and comparisons, and USF's ability to sign some high-profile 2-1s cast an unfavorable light on White's inability to do the same with his defiant 1-1 stance.

It was the pressure of USF's scheduling success that cast White's 1-1 failures in to stark relief, that forced the El Foldo.

What was the El Fold that USF brought on.

Are you talking about my typing snafu or USF's way of making money for their school by losing a home game. I just do not see the failure, money wise, for UCF.

Your "failure" to recognize that White folded on his "no 2-1" strategy.

(08-15-2019 05:47 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  Are you talking about my typing snafu or USF's way of making money for their school by losing a home game. I just do not see the failure, money wise, for UCF.

(08-15-2019 04:21 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 05:47 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  Are you talking about my typing snafu or USF's way of making money for their school by losing a home game. I just do not see the failure, money wise, for UCF.

What you call "losing a home game" is how Miami and Florida State built the reputation of their football programs -- by going on the road to places like Michigan and Nebraska, often without getting any return game and almost never a 1:1 deal, and winning a large number of those games.

(08-15-2019 05:33 PM)whittx Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 04:21 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 05:47 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  Are you talking about my typing snafu or USF's way of making money for their school by losing a home game. I just do not see the failure, money wise, for UCF.

What you call "losing a home game" is how Miami and Florida State built the reputation of their football programs -- by going on the road to places like Michigan and Nebraska, often without getting any return game and almost never a 1:1 deal, and winning a large number of those games.

But that was in the day when you had to fill an 11 game schedule. You could take those kinds of risks. Now a UCF has only 2 or 3 games of leeway since you have 8 conference games and have to play at least 1 additional home game against a FBS team.

(08-15-2019 05:33 PM)whittx Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 04:21 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 05:47 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  Are you talking about my typing snafu or USF's way of making money for their school by losing a home game. I just do not see the failure, money wise, for UCF.

What you call "losing a home game" is how Miami and Florida State built the reputation of their football programs -- by going on the road to places like Michigan and Nebraska, often without getting any return game and almost never a 1:1 deal, and winning a large number of those games.

But that was in the day when you had to fill an 11 game schedule. You could take those kinds of risks. Now a UCF has only 2 or 3 games of leeway since you have 8 conference games and have to play at least 1 additional home game against a FBS team.

(08-15-2019 04:21 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 05:47 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  Are you talking about my typing snafu or USF's way of making money for their school by losing a home game. I just do not see the failure, money wise, for UCF.

What you call "losing a home game" is how Miami and Florida State built the reputation of their football programs -- by going on the road to places like Michigan and Nebraska, often without getting any return game and almost never a 1:1 deal, and winning a large number of those games.

(08-15-2019 06:08 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 05:33 PM)whittx Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 04:21 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 05:47 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  Are you talking about my typing snafu or USF's way of making money for their school by losing a home game. I just do not see the failure, money wise, for UCF.

What you call "losing a home game" is how Miami and Florida State built the reputation of their football programs -- by going on the road to places like Michigan and Nebraska, often without getting any return game and almost never a 1:1 deal, and winning a large number of those games.

But that was in the day when you had to fill an 11 game schedule. You could take those kinds of risks. Now a UCF has only 2 or 3 games of leeway since you have 8 conference games and have to play at least 1 additional home game against a FBS team.

It's not a risk. A team that's trying to build its reputation risks nothing by playing top teams on the road. If you win, you get a ton of positive attention for winning at Alabama or Ohio State or wherever, and if you lose it doesn't hurt your rep because the big boys are expected to win at home.

Other AAC teams do it. USF's scheduling has already been discussed. Cincinnati is playing at Ohio State this year and at Notre Dame in 2021.

(Also, a team with 4 conference home games doesn't have to play another home game vs. an FBS team if they don't want to -- the rule permits each team to count one home game vs. an FCS team toward the five home game requirement.)