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NCAA hits Kevin Ollie hard in findings, puts UConn men’s basketball program on probat - SuperFlyBCat - 07-02-2019 12:34 PM
Actually good news for UConn. Should bolster their case to not pay him the approximate 10 Million in question.
https://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-mens-basketball/hc-sp-uconn-men-ncaa-20190703-20190702-2lvuddey6fdpxlivwg4wua35ou-story.html
The NCAA came down hard on former UConn men’s basketball coach Kevin Ollie, charging him with three level-one violations, and issuing a three-year show-cause order which will effectively prevent him from coaching in college over that time.
The findings were released by the NCAA on Tuesday afternoon, concluding an investigation of nearly two years. Going forward, the NCAA largely accepted UConn’s self-imposed sanctions, the most severe of which is the loss of one scholarship for 2019-20. However, they did place the UConn program on two year’s probation, and UConn will have to vacate victories in which ineligible players participated. The seasons affected are 2016-17 and 2017-18, so UConn’s most recent conference championship and NCAA appearances will not be vacated.
Though Ollie’s contract dispute with UConn over the more that $10 million remaining on his contract is not over, these findings bolster UConn’s contention that Ollie committed infractions that rise to the level of “just cause” for termination.
RE: NCAA hits Kevin Ollie hard in findings, puts UConn men’s basketball program on probat - stever20 - 07-02-2019 12:40 PM
what has been funny is that Uconn fans have been asking can you take the 14-15 season away as well....
RE: NCAA hits Kevin Ollie hard in findings, puts UConn men’s basketball program on probat - IWokeUpLikeThis - 07-02-2019 12:46 PM
UConn’s the winner here. Trade a scholarship for $10 million.
RE: NCAA hits Kevin Ollie hard in findings, puts UConn men’s basketball program on probat - Cyniclone - 07-02-2019 01:13 PM
So in essence, Kevin Ollie just paid for UConn to move to the Big East
RE: NCAA hits Kevin Ollie hard in findings, puts UConn men’s basketball program on probat - GoldenWarrior11 - 07-02-2019 01:32 PM
I doubt Kevin Ollie coaches again in college basketball. He seems destined to be an NBA assistant coach, or possibly even an NBA head coach - if given the right circumstances.
This is a huge, huge victory for UConn - which keeps the positive PR going after announcing a move to the Big East. That $10 million buyout, which now can officially be challenged and fought with a legitimate just cause, can easily just be sent to the AAC for its departure on July 1, 2020. It turns yet another page of an incredibly down period for UConn Athletics and the Men's Basketball program.
RE: NCAA hits Kevin Ollie hard in findings, puts UConn men’s basketball program on probat - Bogg - 07-02-2019 01:38 PM
Yea, Ollie's lawsuit has the legs taken out from under it (although I hope they can mend fences with him, he's tight with a lot of the 90s guys) and UConn as an institution pretty much skates.
RE: NCAA hits Kevin Ollie hard in findings, puts UConn men’s basketball program on probat - sierrajip - 07-02-2019 09:59 PM
Go UConn fans that state the real problem was the AAC for their departure. Pay up (exit fee).
RE: NCAA hits Kevin Ollie hard in findings, put UConn men’s basketball program on pr - UCGrad1992 - 07-02-2019 10:13 PM
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RE: NCAA hits Kevin Ollie hard in findings, puts UConn men’s basketball program on probat - Bogg - 07-03-2019 07:49 AM
(07-02-2019 09:59 PM)sierrajip Wrote: Go UConn fans that state the real problem was the AAC for their departure. Pay up (exit fee).
Well, yea. If fans enjoyed the AAC there wouldn't be a departure.
RE: NCAA hits Kevin Ollie hard in findings, puts UConn men’s basketball program on probat - SuperFlyBCat - 07-03-2019 08:59 AM
(07-03-2019 07:49 AM)Bogg Wrote:(07-02-2019 09:59 PM)sierrajip Wrote: Go UConn fans that state the real problem was the AAC for their departure. Pay up (exit fee).
Well, yea. If fans enjoyed the AAC there wouldn't be a departure.
UConn left because they couldn't win in the AAC. The fans don't enjoy losing regardless of conference affiliation. Other teams are successful and make the NCAA tournament from the AAC, UConn is not one of them. Cincinnati can make the NCAA playing out of the MVC, Metro, Great Midwest, CUSA, BE, and AAC. Are you saying that you can't recruit good enough players in the AAC? Guess that means the UConn brand isn't much.
RE: NCAA hits Kevin Ollie hard in findings, puts UConn men’s basketball program on probat - Bogg - 07-03-2019 09:19 AM
(07-03-2019 08:59 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:(07-03-2019 07:49 AM)Bogg Wrote:(07-02-2019 09:59 PM)sierrajip Wrote: Go UConn fans that state the real problem was the AAC for their departure. Pay up (exit fee).
Well, yea. If fans enjoyed the AAC there wouldn't be a departure.
UConn left because they couldn't win in the AAC. The fans don't enjoy losing regardless of conference affiliation. Other teams are successful and make the NCAA tournament from the AAC, UConn is not one of them. Cincinnati can make the NCAA playing out of the MVC, Metro, Great Midwest, CUSA, BE, and AAC. Are you saying that you can't recruit good enough players in the AAC? Guess that means the UConn brand isn't much.
I'm saying the fans aren't interested in playing the schools in the AAC, and they aren't interested in flying to Fort Worth for the conference tournament. If UConn fans liked the AAC slate they wouldn't be leaving, they'd just be building in the conference. UConn's tied with Cincinnati for most CCG appearances, so if competing in the AAC was all that was required to keep the fans invested they wouldn't have had the attendance issues they had even before the last two years.
RE: NCAA hits Kevin Ollie hard in findings, puts UConn men’s basketball program on probat - GoldenWarrior11 - 07-03-2019 09:45 AM
(07-03-2019 08:59 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:(07-03-2019 07:49 AM)Bogg Wrote:(07-02-2019 09:59 PM)sierrajip Wrote: Go UConn fans that state the real problem was the AAC for their departure. Pay up (exit fee).
Well, yea. If fans enjoyed the AAC there wouldn't be a departure.
UConn left because they couldn't win in the AAC. The fans don't enjoy losing regardless of conference affiliation. Other teams are successful and make the NCAA tournament from the AAC, UConn is not one of them. Cincinnati can make the NCAA playing out of the MVC, Metro, Great Midwest, CUSA, BE, and AAC. Are you saying that you can't recruit good enough players in the AAC? Guess that means the UConn brand isn't much.
UConn's membership in the AAC was never going to be a long-term fit, regardless of on-field, or on-court, success. Their membership with the American was simply unsustainable as a G5 league; unless the AAC became recognized (and paid) as a true power conference (which became quickly apparent in 2013 that it wasn't going to happen), it was always going to be a stop-gap until UConn felt like it had to change course. The only surprise that anyone should have had was that this occurred in 2019 and not 2022 (when the next TV deals were up for renegotiation).
Again, the UConn brand is not football - and this is where a disconnection occurs with many on here. UConn's brand is elite-level basketball (men's and women's) centered around the Northeast. Under Hurley, he was quickly turning around recruiting in the AAC (top-20 nationally), so clearly the brand was and is there. There even have already been numerous articles in the past week about how recruiting for UConn basketball has significantly picked up in the NE, especially with the opportunity to play more games closer to home - so clearly the geographic outlier-status was a hindrance to many recruits.
Finally, to your point about their success in the AAC, UConn won four national championships while as a member of the American Athletic Conference, not including the three they have recently won as Field Hockey members of the Big East. They also have 22 total NCAA Championships, which was most in the AAC. I think it is humorous to have seen so many AAC fans celebrate what UConn accomplished as a member (both past and present), especially boasting about its past success in basketball (even in the AAC) and its strong future potential under Hurley, only to downplay those aspects, proclaiming they - in reality - carried negative value and saying good riddance once they left. I don't think both thoughts can be true at the same time.
RE: NCAA hits Kevin Ollie hard in findings, puts UConn men’s basketball program on probat - SuperFlyBCat - 07-03-2019 10:04 AM
(07-03-2019 09:45 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:(07-03-2019 08:59 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:(07-03-2019 07:49 AM)Bogg Wrote:(07-02-2019 09:59 PM)sierrajip Wrote: Go UConn fans that state the real problem was the AAC for their departure. Pay up (exit fee).
Well, yea. If fans enjoyed the AAC there wouldn't be a departure.
UConn left because they couldn't win in the AAC. The fans don't enjoy losing regardless of conference affiliation. Other teams are successful and make the NCAA tournament from the AAC, UConn is not one of them. Cincinnati can make the NCAA playing out of the MVC, Metro, Great Midwest, CUSA, BE, and AAC. Are you saying that you can't recruit good enough players in the AAC? Guess that means the UConn brand isn't much.
UConn's membership in the AAC was never going to be a long-term fit, regardless of on-field, or on-court, success. Their membership with the American was simply unsustainable as a G5 league; unless the AAC became recognized (and paid) as a true power conference (which became quickly apparent in 2013 that it wasn't going to happen), it was always going to be a stop-gap until UConn felt like it had to change course. The only surprise that anyone should have had was that this occurred in 2019 and not 2022 (when the next TV deals were up for renegotiation).
Again, the UConn brand is not football - and this is where a disconnection occurs with many on here. UConn's brand is elite-level basketball (men's and women's) centered around the Northeast. Under Hurley, he was quickly turning around recruiting in the AAC (top-20 nationally), so clearly the brand was and is there. There even have already been numerous articles in the past week about how recruiting for UConn basketball has significantly picked up in the NE, especially with the opportunity to play more games closer to home - so clearly the geographic outlier-status was a hindrance to many recruits.
Finally, to your point about their success in the AAC, UConn won four national championships while as a member of the American Athletic Conference, not including the three they have recently won as Field Hockey members of the Big East. They also have 22 total NCAA Championships, which was most in the AAC. I think it is humorous to have seen so many AAC fans celebrate what UConn accomplished as a member (both past and present), especially boasting about its past success in basketball (even in the AAC) and its strong future potential under Hurley, only to downplay those aspects, proclaiming they - in reality - carried negative value and saying good riddance once they left. I don't think both thoughts can be true at the same time.
UConn won in football in the BE, not overwhelmingly so, with lower level recruiting. Edsall did a pretty good job. There is no legit reason for the program falling off of a cliff. Same for BBall. It is internal not external or related to conference affiliation.
RE: NCAA hits Kevin Ollie hard in findings, puts UConn men’s basketball program on probat - SuperFlyBCat - 07-03-2019 10:06 AM
LOL Goldenwarrior is that a UConn Husky in your BE photo? UConn is in the AAC.
RE: NCAA hits Kevin Ollie hard in findings, puts UConn men’s basketball program on probat - scoscox - 07-03-2019 11:26 AM
(07-03-2019 08:59 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: UConn left because they couldn't win in the AAC. The fans don't enjoy losing regardless of conference affiliation. Other teams are successful and make the NCAA tournament from the AAC, UConn is not one of them. Cincinnati can make the NCAA playing out of the MVC, Metro, Great Midwest, CUSA, BE, and AAC. Are you saying that you can't recruit good enough players in the AAC? Guess that means the UConn brand isn't much.
UConn has recruited better than anyone in the American
RE: NCAA hits Kevin Ollie hard in findings, puts UConn men’s basketball program on probat - IceJus10 - 07-03-2019 12:54 PM
(07-03-2019 11:26 AM)scoscox Wrote: UConn has recruited better than anyone in the American
Memphis has the Top Recruiting Class in the Nation and last I checked, they're in the American too.
RE: NCAA hits Kevin Ollie hard in findings, puts UConn men’s basketball program on probat - SuperFlyBCat - 07-03-2019 02:22 PM
(07-03-2019 12:54 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:(07-03-2019 11:26 AM)scoscox Wrote: UConn has recruited better than anyone in the American
Memphis has the Top Recruiting Class in the Nation and last I checked, they're in the American too.
7 players deep. They are going to be good. As it relates to UConn/AAC, they had a class ranked in the 30's, 20's, one class ranked #8, then a couple of way off due to being a small class.......just using 247 rankings. Some years you need 4 players and other year only 1 player.