(07-10-2019 09:07 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  We got 2 draft picks for Delon and signed a comparable player as opposed to just signing DW. I’m not sure what’s not to like here.

Neither player is taking us to the Western Conference Finals as the team is currently constructed.

(07-10-2019 09:14 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 09:07 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  We got 2 draft picks for Delon and signed a comparable player as opposed to just signing DW. I’m not sure what’s not to like here.

Neither player is taking us to the Western Conference Finals as the team is currently constructed.

There is literally no move we could make that would take us to the WCF. Why people type these silly things thinking they have made some kind of point is beyond me.

Delon is a far superior player to Tyus Jones. It's not even close. Tyus is a servicable backup. Can't shoot, small so an average at best defender - 114 Drtg last year, which is poor. Has been 3rd string basically his whole career on average T'Wolves teams. He will be OK here, nothing special. Just now he is overpaid.

I'm the biggest Grizz homer on here. But no need to act like this was some master stroke.

(07-10-2019 09:14 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 09:07 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  We got 2 draft picks for Delon and signed a comparable player as opposed to just signing DW. I’m not sure what’s not to like here.

Neither player is taking us to the Western Conference Finals as the team is currently constructed.

There is literally no move we could make that would take us to the WCF. Why people type these silly things thinking they have made some kind of point is beyond me.

Delon is a far superior player to Tyus Jones. It's not even close. Tyus is a servicable backup. Can't shoot, small so an average at best defender - 114 Drtg last year, which is poor. Has been 3rd string basically his whole career on average T'Wolves teams. He will be OK here, nothing special. Just now he is overpaid.

I'm the biggest Grizz homer on here. But no need to act like this was some master stroke.

(07-10-2019 09:26 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 09:14 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 09:07 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  We got 2 draft picks for Delon and signed a comparable player as opposed to just signing DW. I’m not sure what’s not to like here.

Neither player is taking us to the Western Conference Finals as the team is currently constructed.

There is literally no move we could make that would take us to the WCF. Why people type these silly things thinking they have made some kind of point is beyond me.

Delon is a far superior player to Tyus Jones. It's not even close. Tyus is a servicable backup. Can't shoot, small so an average at best defender - 114 Drtg last year, which is poor. Has been 3rd string basically his whole career on average T'Wolves teams. He will be OK here, nothing special. Just now he is overpaid.

I'm the biggest Grizz homer on here. But no need to act like this was some master stroke.

I disagree

Delon is a bit better than Tyus sure but he’s still a slightly above average PG. Tyus still has room to grow whereas IMO Delon is who he is at this point in his career. When DRose went down last year, Tyus ended the season really well. There’s no reason he won’t grow with expanded playing time. At the end of the day, these are role players. Having Delon IMO doesn’t move the needle much in terms of the future of the franchise.

(07-10-2019 09:30 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 09:14 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 09:07 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  We got 2 draft picks for Delon and signed a comparable player as opposed to just signing DW. I’m not sure what’s not to like here.

Neither player is taking us to the Western Conference Finals as the team is currently constructed.

There is literally no move we could make that would take us to the WCF. Why people type these silly things thinking they have made some kind of point is beyond me.

Delon is a far superior player to Tyus Jones. It's not even close. Tyus is a servicable backup. Can't shoot, small so an average at best defender - 114 Drtg last year, which is poor. Has been 3rd string basically his whole career on average T'Wolves teams. He will be OK here, nothing special. Just now he is overpaid.

I'm the biggest Grizz homer on here. But no need to act like this was some master stroke.

The point is, neither player gets us to where we want to be. AKA who cares between those two dudes when we’re in rebuilding mode? We are quibbling over a backup PG. Sorry that wasn’t clear to you.

We don’t know what will come of those future picks. Maybe we luck out and nail one of them or use them in a trade for a solid piece down the road.

Charlotte signed Terry Rozier to 3 years/$58M. They have something to complain about. This...nah. Save your breath.

(07-10-2019 09:34 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 09:26 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 09:14 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 09:07 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  We got 2 draft picks for Delon and signed a comparable player as opposed to just signing DW. I’m not sure what’s not to like here.

Neither player is taking us to the Western Conference Finals as the team is currently constructed.

There is literally no move we could make that would take us to the WCF. Why people type these silly things thinking they have made some kind of point is beyond me.

Delon is a far superior player to Tyus Jones. It's not even close. Tyus is a servicable backup. Can't shoot, small so an average at best defender - 114 Drtg last year, which is poor. Has been 3rd string basically his whole career on average T'Wolves teams. He will be OK here, nothing special. Just now he is overpaid.

I'm the biggest Grizz homer on here. But no need to act like this was some master stroke.

I disagree

Delon is a bit better than Tyus sure but he’s still a slightly above average PG. Tyus still has room to grow whereas IMO Delon is who he is at this point in his career. When DRose went down last year, Tyus ended the season really well. There’s no reason he won’t grow with expanded playing time. At the end of the day, these are role players. Having Delon IMO doesn’t move the needle much in terms of the future of the franchise.

Again, these statements are meaningless. Moves the needle in terms of the future of the franchise? Huh? 99% of the moves any teams make don't do so.

Tyus is what he is. This will be his 5th season in the league. Expect more of what he was doing in Minny, where he was the 3rd string PG in his 4th season. He's an average backup point guard. Delon will be the starting point guard on a team that will probably win between 35 and 40 games this year. Big difference.

(07-10-2019 09:37 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  What’s so hard to understand that we got a backup PG plus 2 second round picks that will most likely be used as bait in future trade/dump salary deals. Just signing Delon wouldn’t have done that

(07-08-2019 12:39 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 12:30 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 11:19 AM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 10:56 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 10:38 AM)Dynamos Wrote:  That’s barely more than the mid level exception. 3 24 is nothing these days

Then pay Delon 3/$29M and keep him. Delon can do much more for a team than Tyus can. He will start in Dallas. And $8M is the high end for a 2nd unit point guard.

Wait $8M is the high end for a 2nd unit point guard, but you want to pay Delon over $9.5M to be the backup here?

Also it's about getting assets and Grizz acquired more assets with the S&T.

More assets
Better assist to turnover ratio
5 years younger
Pure PG vs combo means more minutes for Grayson Allen
Millions cheaper

More minutes for Grayson Allen? I'm dying. I love it when you try, and fail, to make coherent basketball arguments.

(07-10-2019 09:46 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 09:37 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  What’s so hard to understand that we got a backup PG plus 2 second round picks that will most likely be used as bait in future trade/dump salary deals. Just signing Delon wouldn’t have done that

We now have an overpaid backup PG, Jones, who is immediately a negative asset, imo. If you think Delon and Tyus are near equals, fine. If you don't, then it's a bad move.

Some of you guys way overrate 2nd round picks. They are traded and bought and sold like playing cards. Only 60 players are drafted. Their will be many undrafted free agents who it will become immediately clear are better than the guys drafted in the 2nd round. Look at the '16 and '17 drafts, there are 12 guys drafted in the 2nd round who have never played a second in the NBA. Many more have barely played at all.

(07-10-2019 10:25 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 09:46 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 09:37 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  What’s so hard to understand that we got a backup PG plus 2 second round picks that will most likely be used as bait in future trade/dump salary deals. Just signing Delon wouldn’t have done that

We now have an overpaid backup PG, Jones, who is immediately a negative asset, imo. If you think Delon and Tyus are near equals, fine. If you don't, then it's a bad move.

Some of you guys way overrate 2nd round picks. They are traded and bought and sold like playing cards. Only 60 players are drafted. Their will be many undrafted free agents who it will become immediately clear are better than the guys drafted in the 2nd round. Look at the '16 and '17 drafts, there are 12 guys drafted in the 2nd round who have never played a second in the NBA. Many more have barely played at all.

Did you read my post? I just said that 2nd rounders will be used as salary dumps & trade baits.....not picking players. How is Tyus overpaid at $28 million but Delon at $29 million not?

(07-10-2019 10:13 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  From Minneapolis: https://www.twincities.com/2019/07/09/tyus-jones-heading-to-memphis-after-wolves-decline-to-match-offer-sheet/

But there are many other things Jones brings to the game. Consider a point guard’s most basic responsibilities — to take care of the ball and set up others to score — and it’s difficult to find a floor general better than Jones, who recorded an NBA-record 6.9-1 assist-to-turnover ratio last season. He averaged 6.9 points and 4.8 assists in 23 minutes a game.

Although he doesn’t possess the quickness or size often required of perimeter defenders, he swipes steals at a blistering pace, and a few advanced statistics, such as ESPN’s Defensive Real Plus-Minus, rate Jones as a well-above average defensive point guard.

Minnesota has played better basketball with Jones on the court. He’s ranked in the team’s top four in net rating in each of the last three years. Jones has established himself as a quality point guard deserving of at least rotational minutes in the NBA.

(07-10-2019 10:45 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  Tyus Def Rtng last year : 108.7 per nba.com
Delon Def Rtg last year: 106.4 per nba.com


They have very comparable PER.
There's no significant difference between the 2 players.

We passed on Delon.
Minny passed on Tyus.
Most sports media folks haven't gone around proclaiming that Delon is a LOT better than Tyus.

Both are serviceable role players and solid backup PGs on teams that have a bonafide starting PG.

(07-10-2019 10:53 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 10:45 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  Tyus Def Rtng last year : 108.7 per nba.com
Delon Def Rtg last year: 106.4 per nba.com


They have very comparable PER.
There's no significant difference between the 2 players.

We passed on Delon.
Minny passed on Tyus.
Most sports media folks haven't gone around proclaiming that Delon is a LOT better than Tyus.

Both are serviceable role players and solid backup PGs on teams that have a bonafide starting PG.

Wrong on everything, except that Minny passed on their own player, which should tell you something.

Here is a link to Tyus Jones' basketball reference page: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jonesty01.html His Drtg was 114 last year. Delon's was 107.

They don't have comparable PERs. Delon's has never been under 15, the league average. Tyus's has never once reached 15, the league average. They both have played 4 years. So literally using your stat, Delon is an above average player, and Tyus is a below average player.

We didn't pass on Delon, we traded him. Which was better than passing on him, but still a mistake.

(07-10-2019 10:53 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 10:45 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  Tyus Def Rtng last year : 108.7 per nba.com
Delon Def Rtg last year: 106.4 per nba.com


They have very comparable PER.
There's no significant difference between the 2 players.

We passed on Delon.
Minny passed on Tyus.
Most sports media folks haven't gone around proclaiming that Delon is a LOT better than Tyus.

Both are serviceable role players and solid backup PGs on teams that have a bonafide starting PG.

Wrong on everything, except that Minny passed on their own player, which should tell you something.

Here is a link to Tyus Jones' basketball reference page: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jonesty01.html His Drtg was 114 last year. Delon's was 107.

They don't have comparable PERs. Delon's has never been under 15, the league average. Tyus's has never once reached 15, the league average. They both have played 4 years. So literally using your stat, Delon is an above average player, and Tyus is a below average player.

We didn't pass on Delon, we traded him. Which was better than passing on him, but still a mistake.

(07-10-2019 11:24 AM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 10:53 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 10:45 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  Tyus Def Rtng last year : 108.7 per nba.com
Delon Def Rtg last year: 106.4 per nba.com


They have very comparable PER.
There's no significant difference between the 2 players.

We passed on Delon.
Minny passed on Tyus.
Most sports media folks haven't gone around proclaiming that Delon is a LOT better than Tyus.

Both are serviceable role players and solid backup PGs on teams that have a bonafide starting PG.

Wrong on everything, except that Minny passed on their own player, which should tell you something.

Here is a link to Tyus Jones' basketball reference page: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jonesty01.html His Drtg was 114 last year. Delon's was 107.

They don't have comparable PERs. Delon's has never been under 15, the league average. Tyus's has never once reached 15, the league average. They both have played 4 years. So literally using your stat, Delon is an above average player, and Tyus is a below average player.

We didn't pass on Delon, we traded him. Which was better than passing on him, but still a mistake.

Delon wanted to be in Dallas. He wanted to start (he wasn't going to start here).

Front office was smart and got assets in return for him instead of losing him for nothing.

You're making Delon out to be better than he his.

(07-10-2019 10:53 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(07-10-2019 10:45 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  Tyus Def Rtng last year : 108.7 per nba.com
Delon Def Rtg last year: 106.4 per nba.com


They have very comparable PER.
There's no significant difference between the 2 players.

We passed on Delon.
Minny passed on Tyus.
Most sports media folks haven't gone around proclaiming that Delon is a LOT better than Tyus.

Both are serviceable role players and solid backup PGs on teams that have a bonafide starting PG.

Wrong on everything, except that Minny passed on their own player, which should tell you something.