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RE: Increased Commitment to MBB (or Rising Standards) - tribeinexile - 10-08-2019 09:33 AM
(10-08-2019 09:15 AM)TDenverFan Wrote: Yeah, I get where NE gets their money from, part of me just wonders why. The program doesn't even draw 1,000 fans to most games, and this is about as good a team as they've ever had.
They evidently feel, as does our President Rowe, that MBB success, especially getting into the NCAAs, is vital to the institution.
I can’t believe that budgets are not correlated to winning. (Actually I think there is a causation relationship.). To have sustained success we need to spend significantly more.
On a related note, if there is not a major announcement about Kaplan in the next week and a half, I’m going to be extremely confused.
RE: Increased Commitment to MBB (or Rising Standards) - Tribe2011 - 10-08-2019 10:29 AM
Imagine what we could do without throwing $7 million a year down the drain on football. Dial that back by less than 30% and we'd have the best funded basketball program in the conference. Be forward thinking for once and get rid of it entirely and look out...
RE: Increased Commitment to MBB (or Rising Standards) - Tribe4SF - 10-08-2019 10:31 AM
(10-08-2019 10:29 AM)Tribe2011 Wrote: Imagine what we could do without throwing $7 million a year down the drain on football. Dial that back by less than 30% and we'd have the best funded basketball program in the conference. Be forward thinking for once and get rid of it entirely and look out...
...look out... for me not donating at all.
RE: Increased Commitment to MBB (or Rising Standards) - zablenoise - 10-08-2019 11:08 AM
(10-08-2019 10:29 AM)Tribe2011 Wrote: Imagine what we could do without throwing $7 million a year down the drain on football. Dial that back by less than 30% and we'd have the best funded basketball program in the conference. Be forward thinking for once and get rid of it entirely and look out...BOOOOOOOOOOO
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RE: Increased Commitment to MBB (or Rising Standards) - Zorch - 10-08-2019 11:28 AM
(10-07-2019 09:27 PM)Tribeheart Wrote: The actual budget #'s from US Dept of Education.
The latest available is 2017/18, listed first. 2016/17 is listed second. The previous writeups mentioned were with the 2016/17 data. Where a third figure is listed, it's the 2017/18 football budget for additional interest. My opinion is that money helps, but it still comes down to the coach.
Northeastern - $3,241,890/$2,740,955
Charleston - 3,079,689/2,422,777
Drexel - 2,956,999/2,861,372
Hofstra - 2,858,591/2,613,307
JMU - 2,761,166/2,911,439 - $11,888,854
Delaware - 2,697,521/2,472,966 - $7,539,571
UNCW - 2,121,315/2,981,003
Towson - 2,112,673/1,948,141 - $4,742,690
W&M - 2,079,439/2,071,156 - $6,904,974
Elon - 1,997,371/1,879,115 - $5,603,777
(10-08-2019 09:33 AM)tribeinexile Wrote: I can’t believe that budgets are not correlated to winning.
It is no coincidence that the schools spending the most money are also the schools getting the NCAAT bucks (CofC once (although these figures pre-date their appearance), NE twice; don't ask me to explain why UNCW is not spending more -- either they haven't got that NCAAT money yet or the spending of it will show up in the next one or two budgets).
I'm surprised that Elon's football budget is almost as high as ours and by how small Towson's football budget is. Towson gets a lot of bang for their buck.
RE: Increased Commitment to MBB (or Rising Standards) - LeadBolt - 10-08-2019 02:38 PM
I'd love for us to figure out how to maintain FB spending and bump BB 40%.
RE: Increased Commitment to MBB (or Rising Standards) - wml33t - 10-08-2019 03:13 PM
(10-08-2019 11:28 AM)Zorch Wrote:(10-07-2019 09:27 PM)Tribeheart Wrote: The actual budget #'s from US Dept of Education.
The latest available is 2017/18, listed first. 2016/17 is listed second. The previous writeups mentioned were with the 2016/17 data. Where a third figure is listed, it's the 2017/18 football budget for additional interest. My opinion is that money helps, but it still comes down to the coach.
Northeastern - $3,241,890/$2,740,955
Charleston - 3,079,689/2,422,777
Drexel - 2,956,999/2,861,372
Hofstra - 2,858,591/2,613,307
JMU - 2,761,166/2,911,439 - $11,888,854
Delaware - 2,697,521/2,472,966 - $7,539,571
UNCW - 2,121,315/2,981,003
Towson - 2,112,673/1,948,141 - $4,742,690
W&M - 2,079,439/2,071,156 - $6,904,974
Elon - 1,997,371/1,879,115 - $5,603,777
(10-08-2019 09:33 AM)tribeinexile Wrote: I can’t believe that budgets are not correlated to winning.
It is no coincidence that the schools spending the most money are also the schools getting the NCAAT bucks (CofC once (although these figures pre-date their appearance), NE twice; don't ask me to explain why UNCW is not spending more -- either they haven't got that NCAAT money yet or the spending of it will show up in the next one or two budgets).
I'm surprised that Elon's football budget is almost as high as ours and by how small Towson's football budget is. Towson gets a lot of bang for their buck.
I thought I remembered that the CAA decided to divide the NCAA money equally amongst all teams, am I wrong?
RE: Increased Commitment to MBB (or Rising Standards) - billymac - 10-08-2019 03:41 PM
Pretty sure they have not moved from the "Excellence Fund" method:
The conference keeps the money it is guaranteed every year from the CAA's automatic bid, and any more money gets split in half, with one half getting split among the 10 schools (evenly), and the other half doled out competitively through the “Excellence Fund”, which pays more to the top teams (read that "winning teams"), figuring they spent more money to get to the top.
I don't remember any change from that scenario (but, I could be wrong).
RE: Increased Commitment to MBB (or Rising Standards) - Rocco - 10-08-2019 05:15 PM
(10-08-2019 02:38 PM)LeadBolt Wrote: I'd love for us to figure out how to maintain FB spending and bump BB 40%.
Drop a bunch of other sports. No one really wants that, though. Money's gotta come from somewhere.
RE: Increased Commitment to MBB (or Rising Standards) - TDenverFan - 10-08-2019 05:29 PM
(10-08-2019 02:38 PM)LeadBolt Wrote: I'd love for us to figure out how to maintain FB spending and bump BB 40%.
Short of some major donors or wild new revenue stream, cutting other sports is probably the answer.
RE: Increased Commitment to MBB (or Rising Standards) - Sitting bull - 10-08-2019 05:44 PM
(10-08-2019 02:38 PM)LeadBolt Wrote: I'd love for us to figure out how to maintain FB spending and bump BB 40%.
Play two FBS games every year. One ACC old rival and one other among smarties (Stanford, Northwestern) or Big 10 (Rutgers, Maryland, Indiana, Illinois, etc).
Put the 2nd payday to BB.
Increased Commitment to MBB (or Rising Standards) - Tribal - 10-08-2019 05:46 PM
'19-'20 season ticket purchases (thus far) and donations are way down for MBB. We're heading in the wrong direction.
I can see Huge cutting a few sports, namely, Swimming, Gymnastics, Golf and one other...maybe Tennis or XC.
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RE: Increased Commitment to MBB (or Rising Standards) - Sitting bull - 10-08-2019 05:53 PM
Being responsible, she should support those sports from her own paycheck.
RE: Increased Commitment to MBB (or Rising Standards) - Sitting bull - 10-08-2019 06:07 PM
(10-08-2019 11:08 AM)zablenoise Wrote:(10-08-2019 10:29 AM)Tribe2011 Wrote: Imagine what we could do without throwing $7 million a year down the drain on football. Dial that back by less than 30% and we'd have the best funded basketball program in the conference. Be forward thinking for once and get rid of it entirely and look out...BOOOOOOOOOOO
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Double booooooooo.
Sure, imagine W&M without football. Flush athletics down the drain. It's the ONLY sport we can generate some revenue.
RE: Increased Commitment to MBB (or Rising Standards) - Sitting bull - 10-08-2019 06:10 PM
Or imagine we didn't make stupid decisions like firing popular basketball coaches and picking up near $2M in buyout pay.
RE: Increased Commitment to MBB (or Rising Standards) - Tribal - 10-08-2019 06:15 PM
(10-08-2019 11:28 AM)Zorch Wrote:Towson also cut baseball a few years back. They turned a 180° after fans protested and actually had a strong season, if I'm not mistaken.(10-07-2019 09:27 PM)Tribeheart Wrote: The actual budget #'s from US Dept of Education.
The latest available is 2017/18, listed first. 2016/17 is listed second. The previous writeups mentioned were with the 2016/17 data. Where a third figure is listed, it's the 2017/18 football budget for additional interest. My opinion is that money helps, but it still comes down to the coach.
Northeastern - $3,241,890/$2,740,955
Charleston - 3,079,689/2,422,777
Drexel - 2,956,999/2,861,372
Hofstra - 2,858,591/2,613,307
JMU - 2,761,166/2,911,439 - $11,888,854
Delaware - 2,697,521/2,472,966 - $7,539,571
UNCW - 2,121,315/2,981,003
Towson - 2,112,673/1,948,141 - $4,742,690
W&M - 2,079,439/2,071,156 - $6,904,974
Elon - 1,997,371/1,879,115 - $5,603,777
(10-08-2019 09:33 AM)tribeinexile Wrote: I can’t believe that budgets are not correlated to winning.
It is no coincidence that the schools spending the most money are also the schools getting the NCAAT bucks (CofC once (although these figures pre-date their appearance), NE twice; don't ask me to explain why UNCW is not spending more -- either they haven't got that NCAAT money yet or the spending of it will show up in the next one or two budgets).
I'm surprised that Elon's football budget is almost as high as ours and by how small Towson's football budget is. Towson gets a lot of bang for their buck.
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RE: Increased Commitment to MBB (or Rising Standards) - nj alum - 10-08-2019 06:40 PM
This insane, demented fixation to make the Dance has already cost the school incalculable good will, prestige, and financial support when Tony Shaver was fired.
And now, we’re going to double down on stupid, and cut some sports, just to make the Dance?
Count me out of anything remotely associated with this idea. You thought the Shaver firing was a self-inflicted wound? This would be arson.
Anyone who suggests and/or supports this idea should be fired immediately as this is not William and Mary.
RE: Increased Commitment to MBB (or Rising Standards) - Zorch - 10-09-2019 12:48 PM
(10-08-2019 05:44 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:(10-08-2019 02:38 PM)LeadBolt Wrote: I'd love for us to figure out how to maintain FB spending and bump BB 40%.
Play two FBS games every year. One ACC old rival and one other among smarties (Stanford, Northwestern) or Big 10 (Rutgers, Maryland, Indiana, Illinois, etc).
Put the 2nd payday to BB.
I can't see any football coach who wants to win enough games to make the FCS playoffs on a regular basis agreeing to do this. He would be sacrificing his own chances to win just for the benefit of another sport. Bad enough that it happens once a year already. Of course, he might not have any say in the matter.......
(10-08-2019 05:46 PM)Tribal Wrote: '19-'20 season ticket purchases (thus far) and donations are way down for MBB. We're heading in the wrong direction.
I can see Huge cutting a few sports, namely, Swimming, Gymnastics, Golf and one other...maybe Tennis or XC.
Unfortunately, I also can see Huge trying to do it. That's it -- take some sports where W&M actually wins consistently, where hundreds of student-athletes get to learn and experience the joys of intercollegiate competition, and sacrifice them on the altar of MBB (where only 15 student-athletes compete). Plus, once Huge was gone, it would take a lot longer to bring those sports back to the same level of prominence as they enjoy now. They might never make it back, plus the great coaches would have moved on to other schools.
BTW, I believe that all the Gymnastics scholarships are separately endowed and so the athletic department would not gain any funds from eliminating gymnastics because their budget is independently supported (or so I heard).
Eliminating any other sports, especially the successful ones, would just simply piss off too many people to make it worthwhile (although I still think Huge would try to do it if she could get away with it). Hopefully, Rowe is a little more attuned to her responsibility to exercise some control over Huge now, after the Shaver debacle. I remember the big stink in the '80s when wrestling and men's lacrosse got chopped and swimming almost did.
RE: Increased Commitment to MBB (or Rising Standards) - Sitting bull - 10-09-2019 01:28 PM
(10-09-2019 12:48 PM)Zorch Wrote:(10-08-2019 05:44 PM)Sitting bull Wrote: [quote='LeadBolt' pid='16356991' dateline='1570563514']
I'd love for us to figure out how to maintain FB spending and bump BB 40%.
Play two FBS games every year. One ACC old rival and one other among smarties (Stanford, Northwestern) or Big 10 (Rutgers, Maryland, Indiana, Illinois, etc).
Put the 2nd payday to BB.
I can't see any football coach who wants to win enough games to make the FCS playoffs on a regular basis agreeing to do this. He would be sacrificing his own chances to win just for the benefit of another sport. Bad enough that it happens once a year already. Of course, he might not have any say in the matter.......
I really don't think it makes any difference when it comes to the playoffs.
We get in if we win the CAA or finish among the top 5 teams. Our total wins won't matter.
RE: Increased Commitment to MBB (or Rising Standards) - WMInTheBurg - 10-09-2019 07:23 PM
(10-08-2019 05:46 PM)Tribal Wrote: '19-'20 season ticket purchases (thus far) and donations are way down for MBB. We're heading in the wrong direction.
I can see Huge cutting a few sports, namely, Swimming, Gymnastics, Golf and one other...maybe Tennis or XC.
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At the town hall, she explicitly stated that they're not looking at cutting sports. I'm assuming that will be a question asked at every subsequent town hall as well.