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A pragmatic G5 - Fighting Muskie - 02-04-2019 06:22 PM
Never going to happen but if we were going to put together G5 leagues that were compact and pragmatic:
MWC West: Hawaii, SDSU, SJSU, Fresno St, Nevada, UNLV, Boise St
MWC Mountain: Utah St, Wyo, Colo St, AFA, UNM, NMSU, UTEP
C-USA West: UTSA, Texas St, UNT, Rice, Ark St, ULL, ULM, LA Tech
C-USA East: USM, UAB, USA, Troy, GA St, GA South, FIU, FAU
SBC: MTSU, WKU, Coastal, App St, Charlotte, ODU, Liberty, JMU, Marshall
MAC: no change
AAC: no change
G5 Playoff money distribution model changed to a per school model with no caps so that a school in the 16 member C-USA would make the same as a school in the 9 member SBC.
RE: A pragmatic G5 - whittx - 02-04-2019 07:08 PM
So UMass is still an independent in this scenario? Or would they go to The American?
RE: A pragmatic G5 - quo vadis - 02-04-2019 07:26 PM
(02-04-2019 06:22 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: Never going to happen but if we were going to put together G5 leagues that were compact and pragmatic:
MWC West: Hawaii, SDSU, SJSU, Fresno St, Nevada, UNLV, Boise St
MWC Mountain: Utah St, Wyo, Colo St, AFA, UNM, NMSU, UTEP
C-USA West: UTSA, Texas St, UNT, Rice, Ark St, ULL, ULM, LA Tech
C-USA East: USM, UAB, USA, Troy, GA St, GA South, FIU, FAU
SBC: MTSU, WKU, Coastal, App St, Charlotte, ODU, Liberty, JMU, Marshall
MAC: no change
AAC: no change
G5 Playoff money distribution model changed to a per school model with no caps so that a school in the 16 member C-USA would make the same as a school in the 9 member SBC.
The AAC is already "compact and pragmatic" so it requires no change?
Wow.
RE: A pragmatic G5 - Fighting Muskie - 02-04-2019 08:45 PM
(02-04-2019 07:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote:(02-04-2019 06:22 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: Never going to happen but if we were going to put together G5 leagues that were compact and pragmatic:
MWC West: Hawaii, SDSU, SJSU, Fresno St, Nevada, UNLV, Boise St
MWC Mountain: Utah St, Wyo, Colo St, AFA, UNM, NMSU, UTEP
C-USA West: UTSA, Texas St, UNT, Rice, Ark St, ULL, ULM, LA Tech
C-USA East: USM, UAB, USA, Troy, GA St, GA South, FIU, FAU
SBC: MTSU, WKU, Coastal, App St, Charlotte, ODU, Liberty, JMU, Marshall
MAC: no change
AAC: no change
G5 Playoff money distribution model changed to a per school model with no caps so that a school in the 16 member C-USA would make the same as a school in the 9 member SBC.
The AAC is already "compact and pragmatic" so it requires no change?
Wow.
No. I left them alone because they are strongest G5 and there is no way they'd regionalize.
RE: A pragmatic G5 - Nerdlinger - 02-04-2019 09:01 PM
Here's a more pragmatic G5 with regards to geography. I've taken the liberty of demoting Liberty back to FCS, along with EMU, SJSU, ULM, and UMass.
American
East: Houston, Louisiana Tech, Louisiana-Lafayette, Rice, Tulane, Tulsa
West: New Mexico State, North Texas, SMU, Texas State, UTEP, UTSA
CUSA
North: Army, Connecticut, Marshall, Navy, Old Dominion, Temple
South: Appalachian State, Charlotte, Coastal Carolina, East Carolina, Middle Tennessee, Western Kentucky
MAC
East: Akron, Buffalo, Cincinnati, Kent State, Miami-OH, Ohio
West: Ball State, Bowling Green, Central Michigan, Northern Illinois, Toledo, Western Michigan
MWC
Mountain: Air Force, BYU, Colorado State, New Mexico, Utah State, Wyoming
West: Boise State, Fresno State, Hawaii, Nevada, San Diego State, UNLV
Sun Belt
East: Central Florida, FAU, FIU, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, South Florida
West: Arkansas State, Memphis, South Alabama, Southern Miss, Troy, UAB
RE: A pragmatic G5 - Kittonhead - 02-04-2019 10:54 PM
I have thought condensing down to a G3 might be more pragmatic than having 5 conferences.
MWC (UTEP, UTSA, Rice, UNT)
AAC (USM, UAB, Georgia St, ODU)
This would leave CUSA down to 6 schools whereby they could get up to 16 by pulling in 5 from the MAC and SBC.
SBC: Ark St, Louisiana, USA, Georgia So, App St
MAC: Ohio, Miami, Toledo, WMU, Northern Ill.
Left over would be an underclass of programs: NMSU, TXST, ULM, Troy, Coastal, Liberty, UMass, Buffalo, Kent, Akron, BG, EMU, Ball St, CMU cut out of the CFP money. But it would be enough teams to keep things going as independents.
RE: A pragmatic G5 - CarlSmithCenter - 02-05-2019 12:05 AM
(02-04-2019 06:22 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: Never going to happen but if we were going to put together G5 leagues that were compact and pragmatic:
MWC West: Hawaii, SDSU, SJSU, Fresno St, Nevada, UNLV, Boise St
MWC Mountain: Utah St, Wyo, Colo St, AFA, UNM, NMSU, UTEP
C-USA West: UTSA, Texas St, UNT, Rice, Ark St, ULL, ULM, LA Tech
C-USA East: USM, UAB, USA, Troy, GA St, GA South, FIU, FAU
SBC: MTSU, WKU, Coastal, App St, Charlotte, ODU, Liberty, JMU, Marshall
MAC: no change
AAC: no change
G5 Playoff money distribution model changed to a per school model with no caps so that a school in the 16 member C-USA would make the same as a school in the 9 member SBC.
MWC West: Hawaii, SDSU, SJSU, Fresno St, Nevada, UNLV, Boise St
MWC Mountain: Utah St, Wyo, Colo St, AFA, UNM, NMSU, UTEP
C-USA West: UTSA, Texas St, UNT, Rice, Ark St, LA Tech
C-USA East: USM, UAB, USA, Troy, ULL, ULM
*UT-Arlington and Little Rock are full members but don’t play football, no divisions will be set up for basketball
SBC North: MTSU, WKU, ODU, Liberty, Marshall, UMass**, Army**
SBC South: Coastal, App St, Charlotte, GA St, GA South, FIU, FAU
*FB-only affiliate member
MAC: no change
AAC: no change
RE: A pragmatic G5 - ken d - 02-05-2019 01:18 PM
As long as we are moving schools around willy-nilly, without regard to whom they want to be aligned with, here's my suggestion.
Place New Mexico State, UTEP, UTSA and North Texas in the Mountain East, along with Wyoming, AFA, Colorado State and New Mexico. This could either be a division of the MWC or simply a new, stand alone 8 team conference.
To get C-USA back to 12 members, place Liberty in the North Division with Marshall, Western Kentucky, Middle Tennessee, Old Dominion and Charlotte.
Everybody else stays put. Whew! That was hard work!
RE: A pragmatic G5 - TrueBlueDrew - 02-05-2019 01:40 PM
UCF, USF, FAU, FIU
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Ga State, Ga Southern
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UAB, Troy
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Memphis, MTSU
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App State, ECU
RE: A pragmatic G5 - usffan - 02-05-2019 01:53 PM
(02-04-2019 09:01 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote: Here's a more pragmatic G5 with regards to geography. I've taken the liberty of demoting Liberty back to FCS, along with EMU, SJSU, ULM, and UMass.
American
East: Houston, Louisiana Tech, Louisiana-Lafayette, Rice, Tulane, Tulsa
West: New Mexico State, North Texas, SMU, Texas State, UTEP, UTSA
CUSA
North: Army, Connecticut, Marshall, Navy, Old Dominion, Temple
South: Appalachian State, Charlotte, Coastal Carolina, East Carolina, Middle Tennessee, Western Kentucky
MAC
East: Akron, Buffalo, Cincinnati, Kent State, Miami-OH, Ohio
West: Ball State, Bowling Green, Central Michigan, Northern Illinois, Toledo, Western Michigan
MWC
Mountain: Air Force, BYU, Colorado State, New Mexico, Utah State, Wyoming
West: Boise State, Fresno State, Hawaii, Nevada, San Diego State, UNLV
Sun Belt
East: Central Florida, FAU, FIU, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, South Florida
West: Arkansas State, Memphis, South Alabama, Southern Miss, Troy, UAB
(02-05-2019 01:40 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote: UCF, USF, FAU, FIU
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Ga State, Ga Southern
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UAB, Troy
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Memphis, MTSU
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App State, ECU
![[Image: giphy.gif]](https://media.giphy.com/media/fuHdUls1uGRtS/giphy.gif)
USFFan
RE: A pragmatic G5 - Nerdlinger - 02-05-2019 02:12 PM
(02-05-2019 01:53 PM)usffan Wrote:
USFFan
But you'll just come back the next day.
RE: A pragmatic G5 - CarlSmithCenter - 02-05-2019 02:35 PM
This could also work:
MWC West: Hawaii, SDSU, SJSU, Fresno St, Nevada, UNLV, Boise St
MWC Mountain: Utah St, Wyo, Colo St, AFA, UNM, NMSU, UTEP
C-USA West: UTSA, Texas St, UNT, Rice, Ark St, LA Tech
C-USA East: USM, UAB, USA, Troy, ULL, ULM
*UT-Arlington and Little Rock are full members but don’t play football, no divisions will be set up for basketball
SBC North: MTSU, WKU, ODU, Liberty, Marshall, Charlotte
SBC South: Coastal, App St, GA St, GA South, FIU, FAU
MAC: Add UConn** and Army** and eliminate divisions, with 8 conference games (3 permanent, and 5 of the remaining 10 every other year). UConn joins the new Big East in all other sports but has to agree to a certain number of OOC home-and-home MBB and WBB deals with MAC schools each year; Army agrees that at least one “Home” conference game will be played in Greater NYC at either Red Bulls Arena, Yankee Stadium, CitiField or MetLife Stadium in exchange for no more than 1-2 Tuesday or Wednesday games.
**FB-only affiliate member
AAC: UMass replaces UConn as full member.
RE: A pragmatic G5 - usffan - 02-05-2019 03:26 PM
(02-05-2019 02:12 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:(02-05-2019 01:53 PM)usffan Wrote:
USFFan
But you'll just come back the next day.
Kind of feels appropriate...
PS - just about a perfect movie, in my opinion.
USFFan
RE: A pragmatic G5 - CliftonAve - 02-05-2019 03:29 PM
Pragmatically there are 5-10 programs that shouldn't be in the G5.
RE: A pragmatic G5 - CoastalJuan - 02-05-2019 04:13 PM
(02-04-2019 08:45 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:(02-04-2019 07:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote:(02-04-2019 06:22 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: Never going to happen but if we were going to put together G5 leagues that were compact and pragmatic:
MWC West: Hawaii, SDSU, SJSU, Fresno St, Nevada, UNLV, Boise St
MWC Mountain: Utah St, Wyo, Colo St, AFA, UNM, NMSU, UTEP
C-USA West: UTSA, Texas St, UNT, Rice, Ark St, ULL, ULM, LA Tech
C-USA East: USM, UAB, USA, Troy, GA St, GA South, FIU, FAU
SBC: MTSU, WKU, Coastal, App St, Charlotte, ODU, Liberty, JMU, Marshall
MAC: no change
AAC: no change
G5 Playoff money distribution model changed to a per school model with no caps so that a school in the 16 member C-USA would make the same as a school in the 9 member SBC.
The AAC is already "compact and pragmatic" so it requires no change?
Wow.
No. I left them alone because they are strongest G5 and there is no way they'd regionalize.
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![[Image: giphy.gif]](https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6Ztc1rWLboGL6wiA/giphy.gif)
RE: A pragmatic G5 - CAJUNNATION - 02-05-2019 05:20 PM
MWC, AAC, MAC, no change.
CUSA ends the SBC and transforms college football by adding NMSU all SBC FB schools except ULM.
The group of 24 schools are broken up into 4 pods of 6......
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly Division
New Mexico State/UTEP/UTSA/Texas State/Rice/North Texas
- a group of schools stumbling around in the Texas heat looking for a payday.
The Jerry Clower Division
Louisiana/Louisiana Tech/Arkansas State/Southern Miss/UAB/South Alabama
- a bunch of bombastic, Southern gentlemen telling large tales and having even larger appetites.
The Burt Reynolds Division
Troy/Georgia State/Georgia Southern/FIU/FAU/Coastal Carolina
- looking at a map, I see a whole lot of back roads for ole Bandit or Gator to go cavorting with cute females and run from the law. What else is college for?
The Oh Brother Where Art Thou Division
Middle Tennessee/Western Kentucky/Marshall/Old Dominion/App State/Charlotte
- That movie was full of top notch Bluegrass, and so is this division.
RE: A pragmatic G5 - SkullyMaroo - 02-05-2019 05:49 PM
(02-05-2019 05:20 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote: MWC, AAC, MAC, no change.
CUSA ends the SBC and transforms college football by adding NMSU all SBC FB schools except ULM.
The group of 24 schools are broken up into 4 pods of 6......
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly Division
New Mexico State/UTEP/UTSA/Texas State/Rice/North Texas
- a group of schools stumbling around in the Texas heat looking for a payday.
The Jerry Clower Division
Louisiana/Louisiana Tech/Arkansas State/Southern Miss/UAB
- a bunch of bombastic, Southern gentlemen telling large tales and having even larger appetites.
The Burt Reynolds Division
Troy/Georgia State/Georgia Southern/FIU/FAU/Coastal Carolina
- looking at a map, I see a whole lot of back roads for ole Bandit or Gator to go cavorting with cute females and run from the law. What else is college for?
The Oh Brother Where Art Thou Division
Middle Tennessee/Western Kentucky/Marshall/Old Dominion/App State/Charlotte
- That movie was full of top notch Bluegrass, and so is this division.
You only list 23 teams.
RE: A pragmatic G5 - CAJUNNATION - 02-06-2019 09:49 AM
(02-05-2019 05:49 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote: You only list 23 teams.
Oops. Sorry 'bout that.
South Al is in the Jerry Clower group.
RE: A pragmatic G5 - DawgNBama - 02-06-2019 12:46 PM
(02-05-2019 05:20 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote: MWC, AAC, MAC, no change.
CUSA ends the SBC and transforms college football by adding NMSU all SBC FB schools except ULM.
The group of 24 schools are broken up into 4 pods of 6......
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly Division
New Mexico State/UTEP/UTSA/Texas State/Rice/North Texas
- a group of schools stumbling around in the Texas heat looking for a payday.
The Jerry Clower Division
Louisiana/Louisiana Tech/Arkansas State/Southern Miss/UAB/South Alabama
- a bunch of bombastic, Southern gentlemen telling large tales and having even larger appetites.
The Burt Reynolds Division
Troy/Georgia State/Georgia Southern/FIU/FAU/Coastal Carolina
- looking at a map, I see a whole lot of back roads for ole Bandit or Gator to go cavorting with cute females and run from the law. What else is college for?
The Oh Brother Where Art Thou Division
Middle Tennessee/Western Kentucky/Marshall/Old Dominion/App State/Charlotte
- That movie was full of top notch Bluegrass, and so is this division.
Best one I have seen so far!!! Well done Cajunnation!!!
RE: A pragmatic G5 - WesternSkillet - 02-07-2019 09:37 AM
(02-05-2019 03:29 PM)CliftonAve Wrote: Pragmatically there are 5-10 programs that shouldn't be in the G5.Agreed.