(02-07-2019 11:23 AM)ummechengr Wrote:  

(02-07-2019 10:05 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-05-2019 04:49 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-05-2019 04:03 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-05-2019 03:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  http://thefederalist.com/2019/02/05/democrats-cant-talk-honestly-about-abortion/

"Democrats will protect American children from the evils of trans fats and gay conversion therapy, but not from doctors who will kill them through negligent homicide in the first few hours of their lives. This is the ugly reality of the contemporary abortion debate. It’s why most advocates will do about anything to avoid describing the unpleasant realities and consequences of their increasingly radical position.

On Tuesday, Senate Democrats blocked Republican Ben Sasse’s effort for unanimous consent on the Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act. It must be stressed that this bill wasn’t technically about abortion, but about protecting babies who survived the procedure. It seems the already risible argument of “my body, my choice” has morphed into “not my body anymore, still my choice....”

This rhetoric is just so ******* ridiculous it's barely worth even commenting this much on it.

In other words, you know its true, so it bugs you.

You're so right...the number of murdering doctors in America is just staggering. It's almost as high as all those Mexicans bringing in all those women with duct tape over the mouths in the backs of cars and vans!

Medical Errors are the Third Leading Cause of Death
250,000 Deaths/year
9.5% of Deaths/year

(That's 10x deadlier than all firearms deaths, by the way)

(02-05-2019 01:57 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-05-2019 01:53 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(02-05-2019 01:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-05-2019 01:32 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(02-05-2019 11:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I'd freely admit that if that was even remotely what I believe or have said here, but, it's not.

So what restrictions would you support for viable children

It's up to certified medical professionals to make that determination...and with every case being different, I don't what the government trying to legislate what viability is.

Ok, so based off your comment....if a woman found a doctor who signed off that her completley viable second or third term child was causing her mental anguish, you would support the abortion as a medical professional said it's for the greater good.

And you see no potential for abuse??

I've already covered this many times already. I would NEVER support an abortion. I would never counsel anyone to get one, EVER. But I don't get to make that call for others. And in this hypothetical you describe, what if the woman carrying the child is going to hurt herself if she carries the pregnancy to term, possible ending both lives? What do you do then? Again, you can't try to legislate every situation you can think of. It's just not practical.

And spare me the abuse nonsense. Of course, you're always going to have abuse and lawbreakers. You will NEVER legislate that away...so writing laws trying to eradicate them are just foolhardy. If a doctor is guilty of an abuse, he's then dealt with.

This continual notion that this will lead to a bunch of women ending pregnancies for no reason other than they no longer want a baby they've carried for 8 months is just lunacy.

(02-05-2019 02:59 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(02-05-2019 02:08 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-05-2019 02:06 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(02-05-2019 02:04 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-05-2019 01:59 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Most abortions are already for convenience

So is it really that much off a stretch to think if the deadline were extended more would chose that option?

Perhaps...but most occur way before 8 months of pregnancy as well.

As if 6 or 7 month abortions are better??

So substitute 4, 5, 6 or 7 for my eight...little changes.

On that we agree. Viable babies are being aborted

(02-14-2019 11:49 AM)bullet Wrote:  https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/02/13/dems_abortion_lies_139452.html

This is the guy who was a major adviser on Obamacare. And there will be no death panels....

"...Ezekiel Emanuel, President Obama's former health advisor and now chair of the Department of Medical Ethics and Health Policy at the University of Pennsylvania, says there's no place for morality in medicine and there should be no limits on abortion. As for the victims, Emanuel says little. But he coldly calculates that infants are of little value to society. "Adolescents have received substantial education and parental care," says Emanuel. "Infants, by contrast, have not received these investments." (Emanuel, you may remember, also argued elderly patients don't deserve scarce medical resources.)..."

(02-14-2019 11:49 AM)bullet Wrote:  https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/02/13/dems_abortion_lies_139452.html

This is the guy who was a major adviser on Obamacare. And there will be no death panels....

"...Ezekiel Emanuel, President Obama's former health advisor and now chair of the Department of Medical Ethics and Health Policy at the University of Pennsylvania, says there's no place for morality in medicine and there should be no limits on abortion. As for the victims, Emanuel says little. But he coldly calculates that infants are of little value to society. "Adolescents have received substantial education and parental care," says Emanuel. "Infants, by contrast, have not received these investments." (Emanuel, you may remember, also argued elderly patients don't deserve scarce medical resources.)..."