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Did Oliver Luck know WVU was going into the Big 12 in December 2010? - Hokie4Skins - 01-03-2019 02:12 PM
https://twitter.com/UHCougarFB
Luck comments on Dana Holgorsen being hired at Houston:
"I hired him because we had this opportunity to join the Big 12. That's a league where you got to score a lot of points to win and I thought he gave us a very good chance in that conference which was a new conference for the Mountaineers. That was really my rationale for hiring Dana and I think, in a way, that applies to U of H as well"
RE: Did Oliver Luck know WVU was going into the Big 12 in December 2010? - HeartOfDixie - 01-03-2019 03:13 PM
So the implication is that Houston is about to join the Big12?
RE: Did Oliver Luck know WVU was going into the Big 12 in December 2010? - GoldenWarrior11 - 01-03-2019 03:24 PM
Timing seems off. Syracuse and Pittsburgh weren't announced to the ACC until September 2011, so the Big East hadn't begun to lose members. TCU also didn't rescind their invitation to the Big East until that time as well. A&M and Missouri did not leave for the SEC until August 2011. Nebraska and Colorado did leave in June 2010.
I doubt that Luck knew in 2010 that WVU would be in the Big 12. Too many future moving parts had to have occurred, and it is very possible that West Virginia would have been on the outside had the Big 12 selected Louisville over West Virginia (along with TCU) to get to ten members.
RE: Did Oliver Luck know WVU was going into the Big 12 in December 2010? - gosports1 - 01-03-2019 06:47 PM
Luck was blabbing about going somewhere other than the BE for awhile. well before Syracuse and Pitt bolted. I remember him saying something along the lines of "I don't know where we will end up". there was definitely things going on behind closed doors in the BE. the FB schools weren't united
RE: Did Oliver Luck know WVU was going into the Big 12 in December 2010? - Fighting Muskie - 01-03-2019 06:56 PM
Luck's memory must be hazy. Perhaps when he made that hire he thought it would be helpful to have a Big 12 connection IF his school made its way to that conference.
RE: Did Oliver Luck know WVU was going into the Big 12 in December 2010? - TexanMark - 01-03-2019 07:14 PM
Oliver Luck is a DB
https://www.syracuse.com/axeman/index.ssf/2015/03/ncaa_executive_oliver_luck_denies_he_made_derogatory_comments_about_syracuse_jim.html
RE: Did Oliver Luck know WVU was going into the Big 12 in December 2010? - GoldenWarrior11 - 01-03-2019 07:21 PM
(01-03-2019 07:14 PM)TexanMark Wrote: Oliver Luck is a DB
https://www.syracuse.com/axeman/index.ssf/2015/03/ncaa_executive_oliver_luck_denies_he_made_derogatory_comments_about_syracuse_jim.html
I don't know what's worse: the comments about Boeheim (while on the NCAA infractions committee) or ordering ten shots of Crown, then sticking the bill to WVU fans...
RE: Did Oliver Luck know WVU was going into the Big 12 in December 2010? - The Cutter of Bish - 01-04-2019 12:00 AM
(01-03-2019 03:13 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: So the implication is that Houston is about to join the Big12?
From this article: http://wvmetronews.com/2019/01/03/dana-holgorsen-why-leave-west-virginia-houston/
Quote:If Houston is invited to a Power Five conference while Holgorsen is the coach, he receives a $1 million incentive payment that is due within two years, plus an unspecified pay raise.
Did Oliver Luck know WVU was going into the Big 12 in December 2010? - 1845 Bear - 01-04-2019 12:44 AM
(01-03-2019 06:47 PM)gosports1 Wrote: Luck was blabbing about going somewhere other than the BE for awhile. well before Syracuse and Pitt bolted. I remember him saying something along the lines of "I don't know where we will end up". there was definitely things going on behind closed doors in the BE. the FB schools weren't united
Probably had lots to do with elevating his program in anticipation of realignment and not one specific league per se
RE: Did Oliver Luck know WVU was going into the Big 12 in December 2010? - mikeinsec127 - 01-04-2019 09:01 AM
(01-03-2019 03:24 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote: Timing seems off. Syracuse and Pittsburgh weren't announced to the ACC until September 2011, so the Big East hadn't begun to lose members. TCU also didn't rescind their invitation to the Big East until that time as well. A&M and Missouri did not leave for the SEC until August 2011. Nebraska and Colorado did leave in June 2010.
I doubt that Luck knew in 2010 that WVU would be in the Big 12. Too many future moving parts had to have occurred, and it is very possible that West Virginia would have been on the outside had the Big 12 selected Louisville over West Virginia (along with TCU) to get to ten members.
Between the times of Nebraska/Colorado leaving the B12 and Syracuse/Pitt leaving the BE for the ACC, there was a lot of speculation that the BE was in contact with B12 schools about a merger. At the time the B12 was on a death watch as most of the schools not named Texas were looking for a safe place in anticipation of the wide spread belief that the B12 was about to implode. The speculation was that Texas would go independent rather than stay in a rump B12 with the leftovers that no other BCS conference wanted. Those leftovers (ie: ISU, KState, OSU, Baylor) would want to join TCU in the BE rather than try to rebuild the B12 as a G5 conference.
RE: Did Oliver Luck know WVU was going into the Big 12 in December 2010? - megadrone - 01-04-2019 10:11 AM
(01-04-2019 09:01 AM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:(01-03-2019 03:24 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote: Timing seems off. Syracuse and Pittsburgh weren't announced to the ACC until September 2011, so the Big East hadn't begun to lose members. TCU also didn't rescind their invitation to the Big East until that time as well. A&M and Missouri did not leave for the SEC until August 2011. Nebraska and Colorado did leave in June 2010.
I doubt that Luck knew in 2010 that WVU would be in the Big 12. Too many future moving parts had to have occurred, and it is very possible that West Virginia would have been on the outside had the Big 12 selected Louisville over West Virginia (along with TCU) to get to ten members.
Between the times of Nebraska/Colorado leaving the B12 and Syracuse/Pitt leaving the BE for the ACC, there was a lot of speculation that the BE was in contact with B12 schools about a merger. At the time the B12 was on a death watch as most of the schools not named Texas were looking for a safe place in anticipation of the wide spread belief that the B12 was about to implode. The speculation was that Texas would go independent rather than stay in a rump B12 with the leftovers that no other BCS conference wanted. Those leftovers (ie: ISU, KState, OSU, Baylor) would want to join TCU in the BE rather than try to rebuild the B12 as a G5 conference.
Wasn't there also speculation about Pitt and WVU going to the Big 12? Or was it Pitt and another school, and when Pitt declined the Big 12 showed some interest in WVU? I seem to recall that but not sure if it was only message board fodder.
RE: Did Oliver Luck know WVU was going into the Big 12 in December 2010? - TexanMark - 01-04-2019 10:49 AM
(01-04-2019 10:11 AM)megadrone Wrote:(01-04-2019 09:01 AM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:(01-03-2019 03:24 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote: Timing seems off. Syracuse and Pittsburgh weren't announced to the ACC until September 2011, so the Big East hadn't begun to lose members. TCU also didn't rescind their invitation to the Big East until that time as well. A&M and Missouri did not leave for the SEC until August 2011. Nebraska and Colorado did leave in June 2010.
I doubt that Luck knew in 2010 that WVU would be in the Big 12. Too many future moving parts had to have occurred, and it is very possible that West Virginia would have been on the outside had the Big 12 selected Louisville over West Virginia (along with TCU) to get to ten members.
Between the times of Nebraska/Colorado leaving the B12 and Syracuse/Pitt leaving the BE for the ACC, there was a lot of speculation that the BE was in contact with B12 schools about a merger. At the time the B12 was on a death watch as most of the schools not named Texas were looking for a safe place in anticipation of the wide spread belief that the B12 was about to implode. The speculation was that Texas would go independent rather than stay in a rump B12 with the leftovers that no other BCS conference wanted. Those leftovers (ie: ISU, KState, OSU, Baylor) would want to join TCU in the BE rather than try to rebuild the B12 as a G5 conference.
Wasn't there also speculation about Pitt and WVU going to the Big 12? Or was it Pitt and another school, and when Pitt declined the Big 12 showed some interest in WVU? I seem to recall that but not sure if it was only message board fodder.
It was out there...the Big12 was kicking the tires. Big12 really missed the opportunity to move first.
The ACC got off their butt and offered Cuse and Pitt separately and secretly but at the same time. The B1G was also chatting with several BE schools. The ACC didn't want to get boxed out.
RE: Did Oliver Luck know WVU was going into the Big 12 in December 2010? - BePcr07 - 01-04-2019 12:17 PM
(01-04-2019 10:49 AM)TexanMark Wrote:(01-04-2019 10:11 AM)megadrone Wrote:(01-04-2019 09:01 AM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:(01-03-2019 03:24 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote: Timing seems off. Syracuse and Pittsburgh weren't announced to the ACC until September 2011, so the Big East hadn't begun to lose members. TCU also didn't rescind their invitation to the Big East until that time as well. A&M and Missouri did not leave for the SEC until August 2011. Nebraska and Colorado did leave in June 2010.
I doubt that Luck knew in 2010 that WVU would be in the Big 12. Too many future moving parts had to have occurred, and it is very possible that West Virginia would have been on the outside had the Big 12 selected Louisville over West Virginia (along with TCU) to get to ten members.
Between the times of Nebraska/Colorado leaving the B12 and Syracuse/Pitt leaving the BE for the ACC, there was a lot of speculation that the BE was in contact with B12 schools about a merger. At the time the B12 was on a death watch as most of the schools not named Texas were looking for a safe place in anticipation of the wide spread belief that the B12 was about to implode. The speculation was that Texas would go independent rather than stay in a rump B12 with the leftovers that no other BCS conference wanted. Those leftovers (ie: ISU, KState, OSU, Baylor) would want to join TCU in the BE rather than try to rebuild the B12 as a G5 conference.
Wasn't there also speculation about Pitt and WVU going to the Big 12? Or was it Pitt and another school, and when Pitt declined the Big 12 showed some interest in WVU? I seem to recall that but not sure if it was only message board fodder.
It was out there...the Big12 was kicking the tires. Big12 really missed the opportunity to move first.
The ACC got off their butt and offered Cuse and Pitt separately and secretly but at the same time. The B1G was also chatting with several BE schools. The ACC didn't want to get boxed out.
The XII could've gone to 12 with Pittsburgh, West Virginia, Cincinnati, and Louisville - maybe 14 with TCU and Houston.
South: Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, Houston, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St
North: Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa St, Louisville, Cincinnati, West Virginia, Pittsburgh
RE: Did Oliver Luck know WVU was going into the Big 12 in December 2010? - TexanMark - 01-04-2019 02:23 PM
(01-04-2019 12:17 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:(01-04-2019 10:49 AM)TexanMark Wrote:(01-04-2019 10:11 AM)megadrone Wrote:(01-04-2019 09:01 AM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:(01-03-2019 03:24 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote: Timing seems off. Syracuse and Pittsburgh weren't announced to the ACC until September 2011, so the Big East hadn't begun to lose members. TCU also didn't rescind their invitation to the Big East until that time as well. A&M and Missouri did not leave for the SEC until August 2011. Nebraska and Colorado did leave in June 2010.
I doubt that Luck knew in 2010 that WVU would be in the Big 12. Too many future moving parts had to have occurred, and it is very possible that West Virginia would have been on the outside had the Big 12 selected Louisville over West Virginia (along with TCU) to get to ten members.
Between the times of Nebraska/Colorado leaving the B12 and Syracuse/Pitt leaving the BE for the ACC, there was a lot of speculation that the BE was in contact with B12 schools about a merger. At the time the B12 was on a death watch as most of the schools not named Texas were looking for a safe place in anticipation of the wide spread belief that the B12 was about to implode. The speculation was that Texas would go independent rather than stay in a rump B12 with the leftovers that no other BCS conference wanted. Those leftovers (ie: ISU, KState, OSU, Baylor) would want to join TCU in the BE rather than try to rebuild the B12 as a G5 conference.
Wasn't there also speculation about Pitt and WVU going to the Big 12? Or was it Pitt and another school, and when Pitt declined the Big 12 showed some interest in WVU? I seem to recall that but not sure if it was only message board fodder.
It was out there...the Big12 was kicking the tires. Big12 really missed the opportunity to move first.
The ACC got off their butt and offered Cuse and Pitt separately and secretly but at the same time. The B1G was also chatting with several BE schools. The ACC didn't want to get boxed out.
The XII could've gone to 12 with Pittsburgh, West Virginia, Cincinnati, and Louisville - maybe 14 with TCU and Houston.
South: Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, Houston, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St
North: Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa St, Louisville, Cincinnati, West Virginia, Pittsburgh
Yup...that would have worked. Could also have considered Memphis or the Florida Twins if they went 16
RE: Did Oliver Luck know WVU was going into the Big 12 in December 2010? - mikeinsec127 - 01-04-2019 02:51 PM
(01-04-2019 10:49 AM)TexanMark Wrote:(01-04-2019 10:11 AM)megadrone Wrote:(01-04-2019 09:01 AM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:(01-03-2019 03:24 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote: Timing seems off. Syracuse and Pittsburgh weren't announced to the ACC until September 2011, so the Big East hadn't begun to lose members. TCU also didn't rescind their invitation to the Big East until that time as well. A&M and Missouri did not leave for the SEC until August 2011. Nebraska and Colorado did leave in June 2010.
I doubt that Luck knew in 2010 that WVU would be in the Big 12. Too many future moving parts had to have occurred, and it is very possible that West Virginia would have been on the outside had the Big 12 selected Louisville over West Virginia (along with TCU) to get to ten members.
Between the times of Nebraska/Colorado leaving the B12 and Syracuse/Pitt leaving the BE for the ACC, there was a lot of speculation that the BE was in contact with B12 schools about a merger. At the time the B12 was on a death watch as most of the schools not named Texas were looking for a safe place in anticipation of the wide spread belief that the B12 was about to implode. The speculation was that Texas would go independent rather than stay in a rump B12 with the leftovers that no other BCS conference wanted. Those leftovers (ie: ISU, KState, OSU, Baylor) would want to join TCU in the BE rather than try to rebuild the B12 as a G5 conference.
Wasn't there also speculation about Pitt and WVU going to the Big 12? Or was it Pitt and another school, and when Pitt declined the Big 12 showed some interest in WVU? I seem to recall that but not sure if it was only message board fodder.
It was out there...the Big12 was kicking the tires. Big12 really missed the opportunity to move first.
The ACC got off their butt and offered Cuse and Pitt separately and secretly but at the same time. The B1G was also chatting with several BE schools. The ACC didn't want to get boxed out.
I personally think the B12 wasn't more aggressive because it was studying other possible options. At one point there was a lot of talk about the B12 courting FSU and Clemson/GT/daU. I also think that is why the ACC was so aggressive about inviting Pitt/Cuse and getting a GOR signed. I believe the ACC thought it was about to loose 2 schools to the B12. Too bad that the B12 didn't take Ville and Cincy to go to 12. That would have made UConn most likely to be the replacement for UMd.
RE: Did Oliver Luck know WVU was going into the Big 12 in December 2010? - OrangeDude - 01-04-2019 02:53 PM
(01-04-2019 12:17 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:(01-04-2019 10:49 AM)TexanMark Wrote:(01-04-2019 10:11 AM)megadrone Wrote:(01-04-2019 09:01 AM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:(01-03-2019 03:24 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote: Timing seems off. Syracuse and Pittsburgh weren't announced to the ACC until September 2011, so the Big East hadn't begun to lose members. TCU also didn't rescind their invitation to the Big East until that time as well. A&M and Missouri did not leave for the SEC until August 2011. Nebraska and Colorado did leave in June 2010.
I doubt that Luck knew in 2010 that WVU would be in the Big 12. Too many future moving parts had to have occurred, and it is very possible that West Virginia would have been on the outside had the Big 12 selected Louisville over West Virginia (along with TCU) to get to ten members.
Between the times of Nebraska/Colorado leaving the B12 and Syracuse/Pitt leaving the BE for the ACC, there was a lot of speculation that the BE was in contact with B12 schools about a merger. At the time the B12 was on a death watch as most of the schools not named Texas were looking for a safe place in anticipation of the wide spread belief that the B12 was about to implode. The speculation was that Texas would go independent rather than stay in a rump B12 with the leftovers that no other BCS conference wanted. Those leftovers (ie: ISU, KState, OSU, Baylor) would want to join TCU in the BE rather than try to rebuild the B12 as a G5 conference.
Wasn't there also speculation about Pitt and WVU going to the Big 12? Or was it Pitt and another school, and when Pitt declined the Big 12 showed some interest in WVU? I seem to recall that but not sure if it was only message board fodder.
It was out there...the Big12 was kicking the tires. Big12 really missed the opportunity to move first.
The ACC got off their butt and offered Cuse and Pitt separately and secretly but at the same time. The B1G was also chatting with several BE schools. The ACC didn't want to get boxed out.
The XII could've gone to 12 with Pittsburgh, West Virginia, Cincinnati, and Louisville - maybe 14 with TCU and Houston.
South: Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, Houston, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St
North: Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa St, Louisville, Cincinnati, West Virginia, Pittsburgh
This type of divisional set-up may explain why they could never get the votes for expansion beyond ten. Need a super majority to get that and since the league was down to 8 members when they expanded with just TCU and WVU anything beyond 10 would likely be voted down by KU, KSU, and ISU precisely because they wouldn't want to give up their game with OU.
But I am a northeastern, so it's just a guess on my part.
Cheers,
Neil
RE: Did Oliver Luck know WVU was going into the Big 12 in December 2010? - CliftonAve - 01-04-2019 02:59 PM
Holgy was hired at the end of the 2010 season as offensive coordinator. However, as I recall he was also named "Coach in Waiting" for Bill Stewart. Prior to the start of the 2011 season Stewart "resigned" and Holgerson was named head coach. I put resigned in quotes because there was some controversy involving some alleged bad blood between Stewart and Holgerson resulting Stewart being told to resign or be fired.
So looking back, it is definitely possible that by summer 2011, Luck knew that having Holgerson as HC could be beneficial for WVU's move to the Big 12.
RE: Did Oliver Luck know WVU was going into the Big 12 in December 2010? - Stugray2 - 01-04-2019 03:13 PM
Wow. Holgerson really is making the same money at Houston, but they are giving him $1Million more for assistants.
This is an increase in UH coaching budget of over $4M per year, doubling both HC and assistants budget. A huge investment by a G5 school. Not mentioned in the article is the buy out of Holgerson's West Virginia contract was $7.1M. I assume UH must be paying that. Plus they had to pay a $1.95M buyout for Applewhite. Basically UH put $13M up front for this hire to happen.
That is definitely P5 or bust mentality. 2024 will be very interesting.
RE: Did Oliver Luck know WVU was going into the Big 12 in December 2010? - OrangeDude - 01-04-2019 03:32 PM
(01-03-2019 07:14 PM)TexanMark Wrote: Oliver Luck is a DB
https://www.syracuse.com/axeman/index.ssf/2015/03/ncaa_executive_oliver_luck_denies_he_made_derogatory_comments_about_syracuse_jim.html
Ha ha! Yep, such a DB. THE Awesome One just never ceases to amaze. Such a frigging glory hound and a loud mouthed vindictive piece of
.And of course, his bitterness toward Syracuse went up a notch when BOTH Pitt and Syracuse announced leaving the league for the ACC. These gems against SU and TCU were some of the vitriol this guy was spewing on October 1 on the Big East Network.
"I would trade Air Force or Navy for Syracuse every day of the week in terms of the quality of the football program. No disrespect, but that’s just an observation I think most would agree with who understand football.”
We finally beat them after 8 consecutive losses during our worse era in modern times, just about a year before these comments and would go on to beat them again just 22 days later after these comments and then the following year destroy them in the Pinstripe Bowl.
I have mad respect for what WVU accomplished over all while in the Big East during the Dark Ages. But have no respect whatsoever for THE Awesome One and this was even well before 2011, the guy would take credit for a lot of things he had little to do with.
“Let’s be honest, the reason TCU wants to be in this league (meaning the Big East) so badly is that they think it’s an easier path to the national championship than it is going through Norman, Okla., or Austin, Texas or Stillwater, Okla.
Ten days later TCU gets an invite to the B12. But we are suppose to believe now that when Luck hired Holgorsen in December of 2010 as OC with the intent of him replacing Stewart as head coach in 2012, THE Awesome One knew WVU would eventually wind up in the B12? Then why the bitterness toward Syracuse for leaving the Big East for the ACC? Why no reported vitriol toward Pittsburgh for doing the same thing as Syracuse?
DB indeed.
Cheers,
Neil
RE: Did Oliver Luck know WVU was going into the Big 12 in December 2010? - The Cutter of Bish - 01-04-2019 05:16 PM
Neil, I got the impression that some of the animosity between WVU and other Big East members, specifically someone like Syracuse, was how that it was known they were shopping for other homes, like the ACC and supposedly the Big Ten, but then still tended to stand with the non-fb schools with certain issues.
WVU, like others in the Big East, eventually found their way into the conference quite the hard way. At first as football-only, and then, with some network money/coaxing, their full membership. The football issue in a basketball-first conference, and how it trickled down monetarily, created all of these different factions that only enhanced or highlighted these rifts.
All of those now former Big East schools have some blood on their hands for any number of reasons. Hopefully, these schools can move on and work together in some non-conference capacity with some of these problematic personalities out of the way. And it extends beyond Luck, WVU, and Cuse to whatever crap issues existed between Pitt and Penn State, and others in that northeastern cluster.