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RE: ODU vs bill/mary - EverRespect - 12-13-2018 01:18 PM (12-13-2018 01:14 PM)ODU True Blue Wrote: We've won the CAA tournament back in the days when it was a good conference with Darius James playing nearly the whole tournament. I think even Drew Williamson did it too. It isn't unheard of. Yes, but neither were counted on like Caver to make a bunch of outside shots down the stretch. RE: ODU vs bill/mary - ODU_NYG - 12-13-2018 03:55 PM (12-13-2018 01:18 PM)EverRespect Wrote:(12-13-2018 01:14 PM)ODU True Blue Wrote: We've won the CAA tournament back in the days when it was a good conference with Darius James playing nearly the whole tournament. I think even Drew Williamson did it too. It isn't unheard of. James had that floater though, so he didn't need to hit outside shots. RE: ODU vs bill/mary - EverRespect - 12-13-2018 04:05 PM (12-13-2018 03:55 PM)ODU_NYG Wrote:(12-13-2018 01:18 PM)EverRespect Wrote:(12-13-2018 01:14 PM)ODU True Blue Wrote: We've won the CAA tournament back in the days when it was a good conference with Darius James playing nearly the whole tournament. I think even Drew Williamson did it too. It isn't unheard of. James had Kent Bazemore, Ben Finney, Frank Hassell, Gerald Lee and Chris Cooper. Williamson had Alex Loughton, Arnaud Dahi, Valdas Vasilius and Isaiah Hunter. Both PGs did a great job managing the game and protecting the ball, but tired legs are much less of a factor when you aren't taking 15 shots per game, many of which are step-back jumpers with the shot clock expiring. When your legs go, your shot, even FTs, is the first thing affected. RE: ODU vs bill/mary - ODU True Blue - 12-13-2018 08:04 PM James drove the lane the whole tournament. If his legs got tired that would have diminished his ability. You are making too much of it. RE: ODU vs bill/mary - JJMonarch - 12-13-2018 09:43 PM (12-13-2018 08:04 PM)ODU True Blue Wrote: James drove the lane the whole tournament. If his legs got tired that would have diminished his ability. You are making too much of it. Just out of curiosity I looked up the individual stats for the 2011 season which was Darius James senior year when we whipped VCU. Marquez DeLancy was on that team as a backup Pg and averaged 12.5 min per game. James averaged 28.5 per game. I don't know how many minutes either played in the championship game but it's fair to say James had some backup help during the season. Based on that stat alone he did not shoulder the minutes per game that Caver does, much less being counted on to shoulder the a lot of the scoring load. RE: ODU vs bill/mary - Razor Ramon Monarch - 12-13-2018 10:21 PM (12-13-2018 06:48 AM)EverRespect Wrote: MTSU sucks this year and WKU and Marshall are struggling so far. I'm sure someone will all of the sudden turn into a world beater, but as of now, it looks like we have a shot. There are legitimately 7 or 8 teams in CUSA that could win it this year. There are zero teams that will get an at large. Will make for a great CUSA tourney but also makes it that much more unlikely that we will come out on top, especially with no interior scoring. By game 3, in 3 days, our perimeter players legs will be shot so we will need good interior play and I just don’t see that happening. We are way too 1 dimensional to win CUSA this year. RE: ODU vs bill/mary - Razor Ramon Monarch - 12-13-2018 10:23 PM (12-13-2018 06:42 AM)odu09 Wrote:(12-13-2018 12:21 AM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote: It’s going exactly how I thought it would save for vcu blowing a 17 point lead against us........namely, that we beat the teams we were supposed to, lost to the teams we were supposed to and our front court blows despite all of the “fans” who said they looked amazing in practice (practice???). You do realize that 7/10 times, when I’ve said that, it’s in response to someone taking a shot at me, yes? I don’t say it after every win or loss contrary to popular belief but I will defend my point of view when it’s attacked. I don’t think you fall into this category at all btw and I enjoy reasonable discussions as much as anyone. RE: ODU vs bill/mary - Razor Ramon Monarch - 12-13-2018 10:26 PM (12-13-2018 09:25 AM)Punk Wrote:(12-13-2018 09:01 AM)JJMonarch Wrote: Exactly odu09. You hit the nail on the head. I also think our front court has not been as anemic as some claim. It's true our two bigs laid an egg against Fairfield but this teams makeup is so different this year we have to factor in that we have a wing playing the four spot quite a bit. Last year Porter, Brandon, and Carver played about 86% of the minutes at the 4 and 5. This year if you add Dickens, Robinson, Ezikpe, and Carver's minutes they are taking up about 68% of those minutes the 4 and 5 would play. So we are getting about 15 minutes a game at the four from a group of players and that group has been very productive. Acutually at this point in the season BJ is on track to have better rebounding numbers than his brother last year ( the best on the team). I get that it's early and conference play has not started but this team's makeup is so different I like the makeup of our front court much better than last year. Plus Ezikpe is adding that depth in the middle we did not have last year. I mean, someone has to grab them if our “4 star” 6”11 PF isn’t lol RE: ODU vs bill/mary - Razor Ramon Monarch - 12-13-2018 10:36 PM (12-13-2018 10:28 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:(12-13-2018 06:48 AM)EverRespect Wrote: MTSU sucks this year and WKU and Marshall are struggling so far. I'm sure someone will all of the sudden turn into a world beater, but as of now, it looks like we have a shot. Bingo........that and our EXTREMELY perimeter oriented offense is going to struggle big time on a neutral court, in an empty arena, playing 3 games in 3 days. Blaine’s best teams won the caa tourney because they could dominate inside. The Loughton/Dahi/vv team and the Lee/hassel/carter/finney teams were rugged and dominant in the paint on offense and defense. This team looks good defensively in the limited amount I’ve seen them but doesn’t control the boards well and can’t score a lick inside. NOT a good recipe for success in March for a Jeff jones team that doesn’t really do anything really well. RE: ODU vs bill/mary - Razor Ramon Monarch - 12-13-2018 10:43 PM (12-13-2018 01:14 PM)ODU True Blue Wrote: We've won the CAA tournament back in the days when it was a good conference with Darius James playing nearly the whole tournament. I think even Drew Williamson did it too. It isn't unheard of. Drew Williamson definitely played almost every minute of the tourney. He wasn’t asked to score a ton though and create offensively the way caver has to. He could feed our bigs and run the offense through them. Caver doesn’t have that luxury. RE: ODU vs bill/mary - Razor Ramon Monarch - 12-13-2018 10:44 PM (12-13-2018 08:04 PM)ODU True Blue Wrote: James drove the lane the whole tournament. If his legs got tired that would have diminished his ability. You are making too much of it. What??? No he didn’t. This is patently untrue. RE: ODU vs bill/mary - ODU True Blue - 12-14-2018 10:27 AM (12-13-2018 10:44 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:(12-13-2018 08:04 PM)ODU True Blue Wrote: James drove the lane the whole tournament. If his legs got tired that would have diminished his ability. You are making too much of it. Where you there? No. I was. Not every possession of course. But he penetrated a ton. RE: ODU vs bill/mary - Gilesfan - 12-14-2018 10:31 AM (12-13-2018 09:43 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:(12-13-2018 08:04 PM)ODU True Blue Wrote: James drove the lane the whole tournament. If his legs got tired that would have diminished his ability. You are making too much of it. James played the following minutes: 35 vs. Delaware 34 vs. Hoftsra 32 vs. VCU 32 vs. Butler RE: ODU vs bill/mary - Gilesfan - 12-14-2018 10:37 AM (12-13-2018 10:28 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:(12-13-2018 06:48 AM)EverRespect Wrote: MTSU sucks this year and WKU and Marshall are struggling so far. I'm sure someone will all of the sudden turn into a world beater, but as of now, it looks like we have a shot. Other teams that had similar commitment to defense than UVA had (and inferior offenses) include: Cincy (won their conference tourney and lost in 3rd round) Michigan (won their conference tourney and lost in finals) Texas Tech (lost in Big 12 tourney and in the elite 8) Syracuse (lost in ACC tourney and lost in sweet 16) Those were your top 5 defenses (including UVA) This thought that defense first doesn't do well in the postseason in nonsense. RE: ODU vs bill/mary - Gilesfan - 12-14-2018 10:45 AM (12-13-2018 12:06 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:(12-13-2018 11:34 AM)EverRespect Wrote:(12-13-2018 11:19 AM)JJMonarch Wrote:(12-13-2018 10:28 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:(12-13-2018 06:48 AM)EverRespect Wrote: MTSU sucks this year and WKU and Marshall are struggling so far. I'm sure someone will all of the sudden turn into a world beater, but as of now, it looks like we have a shot. Wisconsins offensive rankings over the years before the national final: 2010- 20 with a pace ranking of 339 2011- 2 with a pace ranking of 344 2012- 25 with a pace ranking of 345 2013- 73 with a pace ranking of 317 2014- 4 with a pace ranking of 286 2015- 1 with a pace ranking of 345 When they went to the national title game, they scored 80 points (postseason only) one time in the opening round of the Big 10 tourney and 1 time in the NCAA tourney. They scored 75, 85, 69, 64 (including overtime), and 73 in the NCAA tourney. The next season they scored over 80 3 times in the postseason, one of those needing overtime to get to 80. They scored 86, 72, 79, 85, 71, and 63 in the NCAA tourney. Points per possession tells us what we need to know. Total points tells us almost nothing. RE: ODU vs bill/mary - EverRespect - 12-14-2018 10:47 AM Honestly, the only thing that tells us anything is points for and points against. RE: ODU vs bill/mary - Gilesfan - 12-14-2018 10:48 AM (12-13-2018 12:26 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote: Our frontcourt has shown signs of being able to play (particularly Dickens), but they disappear far too often. If they can show some consistency, we may have a shot in March. Our frontcourt has been very good defensively and not very good offensively. That is what most of us expected; the heart and soul of our team in on the perimeter. Our centers are not rebounding as well as I would like, but they are being picked up by Stith and Carver (and occationally our wings). What the big guys are doing well is blocking shots and keeping teams from scoring in the paint. RE: ODU vs bill/mary - Petey Hodge - 12-15-2018 06:40 PM (12-14-2018 10:37 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:(12-13-2018 10:28 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:(12-13-2018 06:48 AM)EverRespect Wrote: MTSU sucks this year and WKU and Marshall are struggling so far. I'm sure someone will all of the sudden turn into a world beater, but as of now, it looks like we have a shot. Oh no... not another JacQuon Parker mention... LOL RE: ODU vs bill/mary - Razor Ramon Monarch - 12-15-2018 07:14 PM (12-14-2018 10:27 AM)ODU True Blue Wrote:(12-13-2018 10:44 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:(12-13-2018 08:04 PM)ODU True Blue Wrote: James drove the lane the whole tournament. If his legs got tired that would have diminished his ability. You are making too much of it. I was sitting courtside live blogging every second. Try again. |