(12-07-2018 03:51 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  I don't even know anymore.

(12-07-2018 04:03 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  The most important outcome at this level is to win, period. Hopefully you are able to do so with some semblance moral compass as well.
Even so, that aspect is secondary.
To that end, you hire the best coach you can within your budget who will accept the position.
Liberty, having as close to unlimited resources as any program in the nation, hired the best coach that would go there.

We should be so lucky.

With their available resources and an apparent "all in" commitment, Liberty will likely be at the level of a BYU at their peak within a very few years.

(12-07-2018 05:56 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 04:03 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  The most important outcome at this level is to win, period. Hopefully you are able to do so with some semblance moral compass as well.
Even so, that aspect is secondary.
To that end, you hire the best coach you can within your budget who will accept the position.
Liberty, having as close to unlimited resources as any program in the nation, hired the best coach that would go there.

We should be so lucky.

With their available resources and an apparent "all in" commitment, Liberty will likely be at the level of a BYU at their peak within a very few years.

LU, with all it's warts and idiotic past actions and stances, has a committed Prez and admin to win with athletics. An envy of many wanna be schools. A position of support the JMU crowd would do anything for. Hate them, or hate them more, everyone likes a winner and winning does attracts supporters and fans

(12-07-2018 05:56 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 04:03 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  The most important outcome at this level is to win, period. Hopefully you are able to do so with some semblance moral compass as well.
Even so, that aspect is secondary.
To that end, you hire the best coach you can within your budget who will accept the position.
Liberty, having as close to unlimited resources as any program in the nation, hired the best coach that would go there.

We should be so lucky.

With their available resources and an apparent "all in" commitment, Liberty will likely be at the level of a BYU at their peak within a very few years.

LU, with all it's warts and idiotic past actions and stances, has a committed Prez and admin to win with athletics. An envy of many wanna be schools. A position of support the JMU crowd would do anything for. Hate them, or hate them more, everyone likes a winner and winning does attracts supporters and fans

(12-07-2018 03:51 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  I don't even know anymore.

(12-07-2018 05:56 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 04:03 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  The most important outcome at this level is to win, period. Hopefully you are able to do so with some semblance moral compass as well.
Even so, that aspect is secondary.
To that end, you hire the best coach you can within your budget who will accept the position.
Liberty, having as close to unlimited resources as any program in the nation, hired the best coach that would go there.

We should be so lucky.

With their available resources and an apparent "all in" commitment, Liberty will likely be at the level of a BYU at their peak within a very few years.

LU, with all it's warts and idiotic past actions and stances, has a committed Prez and admin to win with athletics. An envy of many wanna be schools. A position of support the JMU crowd would do anything for. Hate them, or hate them more, everyone likes a winner and winning does attracts supporters and fans

(12-07-2018 05:56 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 04:03 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  The most important outcome at this level is to win, period. Hopefully you are able to do so with some semblance moral compass as well.
Even so, that aspect is secondary.
To that end, you hire the best coach you can within your budget who will accept the position.
Liberty, having as close to unlimited resources as any program in the nation, hired the best coach that would go there.

We should be so lucky.

With their available resources and an apparent "all in" commitment, Liberty will likely be at the level of a BYU at their peak within a very few years.

LU, with all it's warts and idiotic past actions and stances, has a committed Prez and admin to win with athletics. An envy of many wanna be schools. A position of support the JMU crowd would do anything for. Hate them, or hate them more, everyone likes a winner and winning does attracts supporters and fans

(12-09-2018 08:11 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Reading this makes me sad and worried. There was a time when sports was a vehicle used to help young people develop character, you know, things like determination, commitment, respect for others and to learn you can't win them all, so learn how to win and lose with grace. Sports has always been a metaphor for life.
This "win no matter what" mentality is a large part of what is wrong with our country today. It starts at home and in part on the playing fields. We see this attitude in our politicians and hate them for it then turn around and justify it when it suits our needs. The mere fact that we place so much importance on sports says something in itself.
Once you become pragmatic, it's a very slippery slope. The ends do not justify the means.
I am very thankful ODU does the job they do in maintaining a sense of proportion. I would be very disappointed if Selig ever hired coached with this kind of baggage just to "grow the brand". I wonder how confused potential LU fans become when they hear Jr. talk about Christian principles, then hires the likes of Freeze and McCaw.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised, after he embraced Trump I knew the school had lost its' way.

(12-09-2018 10:08 AM)AimHigh Wrote:  

(12-09-2018 08:11 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Reading this makes me sad and worried. There was a time when sports was a vehicle used to help young people develop character, you know, things like determination, commitment, respect for others and to learn you can't win them all, so learn how to win and lose with grace. Sports has always been a metaphor for life.
This "win no matter what" mentality is a large part of what is wrong with our country today. It starts at home and in part on the playing fields. We see this attitude in our politicians and hate them for it then turn around and justify it when it suits our needs. The mere fact that we place so much importance on sports says something in itself.
Once you become pragmatic, it's a very slippery slope. The ends do not justify the means.
I am very thankful ODU does the job they do in maintaining a sense of proportion. I would be very disappointed if Selig ever hired coached with this kind of baggage just to "grow the brand". I wonder how confused potential LU fans become when they hear Jr. talk about Christian principles, then hires the likes of Freeze and McCaw.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised, after he embraced Trump I knew the school had lost its' way.

Well if old rumors are true Jeff Jones married his mistress.

(12-09-2018 08:11 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Reading this makes me sad and worried. There was a time when sports was a vehicle used to help young people develop character, you know, things like determination, commitment, respect for others and to learn you can't win them all, so learn how to win and lose with grace. Sports has always been a metaphor for life.
This "win no matter what" mentality is a large part of what is wrong with our country today. It starts at home and in part on the playing fields. We see this attitude in our politicians and hate them for it then turn around and justify it when it suits our needs. The mere fact that we place so much importance on sports says something in itself.
Once you become pragmatic, it's a very slippery slope. The ends do not justify the means.
I am very thankful ODU does the job they do in maintaining a sense of proportion. I would be very disappointed if Selig ever hired coached with this kind of baggage just to "grow the brand". I wonder how confused potential LU fans become when they hear Jr. talk about Christian principles, then hires the likes of Freeze and McCaw.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised, after he embraced Trump I knew the school had lost its' way.

(12-09-2018 08:11 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Reading this makes me sad and worried. There was a time when sports was a vehicle used to help young people develop character, you know, things like determination, commitment, respect for others and to learn you can't win them all, so learn how to win and lose with grace. Sports has always been a metaphor for life.
This "win no matter what" mentality is a large part of what is wrong with our country today. It starts at home and in part on the playing fields. We see this attitude in our politicians and hate them for it then turn around and justify it when it suits our needs. The mere fact that we place so much importance on sports says something in itself.
Once you become pragmatic, it's a very slippery slope. The ends do not justify the means.
I am very thankful ODU does the job they do in maintaining a sense of proportion. I would be very disappointed if Selig ever hired coached with this kind of baggage just to "grow the brand". I wonder how confused potential LU fans become when they hear Jr. talk about Christian principles, then hires the likes of Freeze and McCaw.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised, after he embraced Trump I knew the school had lost its' way.

(12-07-2018 06:06 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 05:56 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 04:03 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  The most important outcome at this level is to win, period. Hopefully you are able to do so with some semblance moral compass as well.
Even so, that aspect is secondary.
To that end, you hire the best coach you can within your budget who will accept the position.
Liberty, having as close to unlimited resources as any program in the nation, hired the best coach that would go there.

We should be so lucky.

With their available resources and an apparent "all in" commitment, Liberty will likely be at the level of a BYU at their peak within a very few years.

LU, with all it's warts and idiotic past actions and stances, has a committed Prez and admin to win with athletics. An envy of many wanna be schools. A position of support the JMU crowd would do anything for. Hate them, or hate them more, everyone likes a winner and winning does attracts supporters and fans

You seem like a clear-eyed Liberty fan. Real talk: Does hiring Hugh Freeze, especially coming on the heels of hiring Ian McCaw, give you pause?

(12-11-2018 04:58 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 06:06 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 05:56 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 04:03 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  The most important outcome at this level is to win, period. Hopefully you are able to do so with some semblance moral compass as well.
Even so, that aspect is secondary.
To that end, you hire the best coach you can within your budget who will accept the position.
Liberty, having as close to unlimited resources as any program in the nation, hired the best coach that would go there.

We should be so lucky.

With their available resources and an apparent "all in" commitment, Liberty will likely be at the level of a BYU at their peak within a very few years.

LU, with all it's warts and idiotic past actions and stances, has a committed Prez and admin to win with athletics. An envy of many wanna be schools. A position of support the JMU crowd would do anything for. Hate them, or hate them more, everyone likes a winner and winning does attracts supporters and fans

You seem like a clear-eyed Liberty fan. Real talk: Does hiring Hugh Freeze, especially coming on the heels of hiring Ian McCaw, give you pause?

The perception I have of the Freeze hire. He can coach. He can win. He can say the right things. He was available right after Gill suddenly retired. LU was required to act swiftly.

The win at all costs vs. moral dilemma for LU. Nobody questions if Freeze can coach and win. LU hungers for FBS success. Freeze brings baggage of highly questionable moral character. As did the McCall AD hire. So LU has a history of politely turning the other cheek when it's perceived to be advantageous for the school.

And Freeze will likely use LU, as he used ASU and as he stumbled out of the SEC. The paradox for me is that Freeze accepted the LU HC job rather than at TN or another SEC school as an assistant. That adds a huge prestige factor for the LU admins. Did Freeze think he could use LU for 2 or 3 years then return to P5 glory? Likely. Did Freeze think he can bring LU to high prominence and bowl eligibility as he professed at his news conference? Likely no.

And the most ironic part of this whole drama is that I believe he is the best HC for LU at this time. He'll recruit well and win some unexpected games and one can expect no more call girl calls. LU has shown that it will compromises it's values when it's convenient and provides perception. Why else would the school Prez still be a Trumpite with all his baggage?

(12-11-2018 08:09 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(12-11-2018 04:58 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 06:06 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 05:56 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 04:03 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  The most important outcome at this level is to win, period. Hopefully you are able to do so with some semblance moral compass as well.
Even so, that aspect is secondary.
To that end, you hire the best coach you can within your budget who will accept the position.
Liberty, having as close to unlimited resources as any program in the nation, hired the best coach that would go there.

We should be so lucky.

With their available resources and an apparent "all in" commitment, Liberty will likely be at the level of a BYU at their peak within a very few years.

LU, with all it's warts and idiotic past actions and stances, has a committed Prez and admin to win with athletics. An envy of many wanna be schools. A position of support the JMU crowd would do anything for. Hate them, or hate them more, everyone likes a winner and winning does attracts supporters and fans

You seem like a clear-eyed Liberty fan. Real talk: Does hiring Hugh Freeze, especially coming on the heels of hiring Ian McCaw, give you pause?

The perception I have of the Freeze hire. He can coach. He can win. He can say the right things. He was available right after Gill suddenly retired. LU was required to act swiftly.

The win at all costs vs. moral dilemma for LU. Nobody questions if Freeze can coach and win. LU hungers for FBS success. Freeze brings baggage of highly questionable moral character. As did the McCall AD hire. So LU has a history of politely turning the other cheek when it's perceived to be advantageous for the school.

And Freeze will likely use LU, as he used ASU and as he stumbled out of the SEC. The paradox for me is that Freeze accepted the LU HC job rather than at TN or another SEC school as an assistant. That adds a huge prestige factor for the LU admins. Did Freeze think he could use LU for 2 or 3 years then return to P5 glory? Likely. Did Freeze think he can bring LU to high prominence and bowl eligibility as he professed at his news conference? Likely no.

And the most ironic part of this whole drama is that I believe he is the best HC for LU at this time. He'll recruit well and win some unexpected games and one can expect no more call girl calls. LU has shown that it will compromises it's values when it's convenient and provides perception. Why else would the school Prez still be a Trumpite with all his baggage?

Let's play devils advocate. I sincerely believe this whole thing was orchestrated. Freeze was contacted at some point in the past. He agreed to terms, then Gill was told to either retire or be canned.

(12-11-2018 08:30 PM)bigblueodu Wrote:  I wonder if LU gets really good how it will affect their scheduling. Will these big schools still want to schedule them when it's not a guaranteed win?

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(12-13-2018 02:45 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(12-11-2018 08:30 PM)bigblueodu Wrote:  I wonder if LU gets really good how it will affect their scheduling. Will these big schools still want to schedule them when it's not a guaranteed win?

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The time it is going to take LU to get really good, to have difficulty in scheduling is years, many years away. The recent conversation is the reverse. That LU has nothing to gain by playing JMU now. JMU is that good and LU is trying to advance to being consistent, which immediately comes after being good, to "get really good".

(12-13-2018 04:21 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(12-13-2018 02:45 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(12-11-2018 08:30 PM)bigblueodu Wrote:  I wonder if LU gets really good how it will affect their scheduling. Will these big schools still want to schedule them when it's not a guaranteed win?

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The time it is going to take LU to get really good, to have difficulty in scheduling is years, many years away. The recent conversation is the reverse. That LU has nothing to gain by playing JMU now. JMU is that good and LU is trying to advance to being consistent, which immediately comes after being good, to "get really good".

Same boat we're in, only they're putting more resources behind the move to make it happen. If you want to be big time, you have to act like it. They're doing that.