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RE: New School maybe - DavidSt - 11-15-2018 03:34 PM
Central Washington and Dixie State both could be Big Sky associates for football and Tarleton State as an associate for Southland. This could hel[ established them as a D1 team, and they could call more D2 schools up for WAC football. Would the Big Sky be up in arms to allow GNAC football as associates? You get another California school in the LA market, and try to get San Diego U. to add scholarships. As there is a lack of football schools in the west? I think the west coast schools would like GNAC and RMAC members to move up for the football standpoint.
RE: New School maybe - SeattleVandals - 11-15-2018 08:54 PM
(11-15-2018 03:34 PM)DavidSt Wrote: Central Washington and Dixie State both could be Big Sky associates for football and Tarleton State as an associate for Southland. This could hel[ established them as a D1 team, and they could call more D2 schools up for WAC football. Would the Big Sky be up in arms to allow GNAC football as associates? You get another California school in the LA market, and try to get San Diego U. to add scholarships. As there is a lack of football schools in the west? I think the west coast schools would like GNAC and RMAC members to move up for the football standpoint.
The Big Sky is so bloated already and EWU would have a fit if CWU joined the conference. They rely heavily on Western Washington for recruits and that puts a conference member directly in the middle of their path on I90 between Seattle and Spokane. They'd already be upset enough if CWU went FCS, I think they'd have enough say to block them from the Big Sky
RE: New School maybe - SeattleVandals - 11-15-2018 08:59 PM
One thing about Western Oregon, I was told they only offer 11 football scholorships for the entire team. Theyd have to add a plethora of new sports to A) reach D1 requirements and B) satisfy title IX
RE: New School maybe - NMSUPistolPete - 11-15-2018 09:20 PM
As I have said prior. I think if these DII schools which play football are serious about exploring the DI route. They will need to accept becoming FCS independents initially. If the WAC can add two or three football playing schools these football programs can agree to play each other yearly to help fill out their respective FCS schedules. In time "if" the WAC can add enough football playing schools, these school can form a consortium or a non-affiliated football conference outside the WAC's purview.
RE: New School maybe - KingSean - 11-15-2018 11:36 PM
Has anyone heard what other schools the WAC talked too? I tried looking on Google and found nothing besides Dixie State Metro State and Tarleton State
RE: New School maybe - DavidSt - 11-16-2018 01:05 PM
We need a reporter to contact the WAC with a FOIA to find out. That is how a reporter got one for Benson to give up what plans Sun Belt Conference about expansion candidates back in 2012.
RE: New School maybe - KingSean - 11-16-2018 01:14 PM
I agree because this wait is killing me
RE: New School maybe - KingSean - 11-17-2018 05:03 PM
To bad Roger's State cant go D1
RE: New School maybe - NoDak - 12-07-2018 04:48 PM
Dixie St’s fb coach is saying a big announcement is coming, so he wants Utah recruits to hang tight.
https://mobile.twitter.com/CoachPPeterson/status/1070922550933254145
RE: New School maybe - ManleyPointer - 12-08-2018 04:34 PM
Saw that. Peterson was head coach at the local JC. Normally JC to D2 is kind of a lateral move. But if Dixie's on the verge of going FCS, the switch makes a lot more sense.
RE: New School maybe - gleadley - 12-08-2018 05:36 PM
(12-07-2018 04:48 PM)NoDak Wrote: Dixie St’s fb coach is saying a big announcement is coming, so he wants Utah recruits to hang tight.
https://mobile.twitter.com/CoachPPeterson/status/1070922550933254145
Stuff like this is Viagra to you realignment guys, isn't it? Keeps the blood flowing to those tired, old conspiracy theories. When it comes to "big news" tweets, I've learned it is a) usually dumb, and b) definitely not what you think/hope it is. (See Big Shy tweets preceding launch of their Network mobile app)
RE: New School maybe - NoDak - 12-08-2018 09:54 PM
(12-08-2018 05:36 PM)gleadley Wrote:(12-07-2018 04:48 PM)NoDak Wrote: Dixie St’s fb coach is saying a big announcement is coming, so he wants Utah recruits to hang tight.
https://mobile.twitter.com/CoachPPeterson/status/1070922550933254145
Stuff like this is Viagra to you realignment guys, isn't it? Keeps the blood flowing to those tired, old conspiracy theories. When it comes to "big news" tweets, I've learned it is a) usually dumb, and b) definitely not what you think/hope it is. (See Big Shy tweets preceding launch of their Network mobile app)
Just interested in how posters like you react when there is a mass exchange of schools between of WAC and Big Sky that will come later. Dixie St will have a major scheduling problem at FCS right now and the cost would be prohibitive unless I what said comes down.
https://www.ksl.com/article/46441570/with-division-i-potential-on-the-horizon-dixie-state-quickly-calls-up-paul-peterson-from-snow-college
RE: New School maybe - gleadley - 12-09-2018 12:39 AM
(12-08-2018 09:54 PM)NoDak Wrote:(12-08-2018 05:36 PM)gleadley Wrote:(12-07-2018 04:48 PM)NoDak Wrote: Dixie St’s fb coach is saying a big announcement is coming, so he wants Utah recruits to hang tight.
https://mobile.twitter.com/CoachPPeterson/status/1070922550933254145
Stuff like this is Viagra to you realignment guys, isn't it? Keeps the blood flowing to those tired, old conspiracy theories. When it comes to "big news" tweets, I've learned it is a) usually dumb, and b) definitely not what you think/hope it is. (See Big Shy tweets preceding launch of their Network mobile app)
Just interested in how posters like you react when there is a mass exchange of schools between of WAC and Big Sky that will come later. Dixie St will have a major scheduling problem at FCS right now and the cost would be prohibitive unless I what said comes down.
https://www.ksl.com/article/46441570/with-division-i-potential-on-the-horizon-dixie-state-quickly-calls-up-paul-peterson-from-snow-college
If anything does happen in the next year, I would guess thst my personal reaction would be very positive. Considering that GCU's president chairs the WAC Executive Committee and GCU's AD chairs the WAC Council, I cannot imagine any changes happening that would negatively impact a) GCU, or b) the conference as a whole.
RE: New School maybe - NoDak - 12-09-2018 02:10 AM
(12-09-2018 12:39 AM)gleadley Wrote:Have only entered positive changes, but you seem to take them as negative. GCU’s status will be effectively upgraded.(12-08-2018 09:54 PM)NoDak Wrote:(12-08-2018 05:36 PM)gleadley Wrote:(12-07-2018 04:48 PM)NoDak Wrote: Dixie St’s fb coach is saying a big announcement is coming, so he wants Utah recruits to hang tight.
https://mobile.twitter.com/CoachPPeterson/status/1070922550933254145
Stuff like this is Viagra to you realignment guys, isn't it? Keeps the blood flowing to those tired, old conspiracy theories. When it comes to "big news" tweets, I've learned it is a) usually dumb, and b) definitely not what you think/hope it is. (See Big Shy tweets preceding launch of their Network mobile app)
Just interested in how posters like you react when there is a mass exchange of schools between of WAC and Big Sky that will come later. Dixie St will have a major scheduling problem at FCS right now and the cost would be prohibitive unless I what said comes down.
https://www.ksl.com/article/46441570/with-division-i-potential-on-the-horizon-dixie-state-quickly-calls-up-paul-peterson-from-snow-college
If anything does happen in the next year, I would guess thst my personal reaction would be very positive. Considering that GCU's president chairs the WAC Executive Committee and GCU's AD chairs the WAC Council, I cannot imagine any changes happening that would negatively impact a) GCU, or b) the conference as a whole.
RE: New School maybe - dbackjon - 12-09-2018 07:37 PM
LMAO at Mass changes and program exchanges.
RE: New School maybe - SeattleVandals - 12-10-2018 02:58 AM
How many schools are needed to maintain and AQ to the FCS playoffs? Would a waiver be given to the WAC to have an AQ till they hit the minimum membership requirement, if they started with enough schools?
I have to wonder how much UTRGV and possibly UT-Arlington starting football hinges on the WAC being able to do this.
Would the WAC require full scholarships like the Big Sky, or a reduced number like the NEC? I know Western Oregon only offers around 11 last I was told while CWU offers many more
RE: New School maybe - NoDak - 12-10-2018 03:15 AM
(12-10-2018 02:58 AM)SeattleVandals Wrote: How many schools are needed to maintain and AQ to the FCS playoffs? Would a waiver be given to the WAC to have an AQ till they hit the minimum membership requirement, if they started with enough schools?
I have to wonder how much UTRGV and possibly UT-Arlington starting football hinges on the WAC being able to do this.
Would the WAC require full scholarships like the Big Sky, or a reduced number like the NEC? I know Western Oregon only offers around 11 last I was told while CWU offers many more
FCS needs six schools for an autobid, scholarships for fb can be at any level, but all must be fully DI. Dixie St wouldn’t help attain that for at least seven years: five for the DI transition and 2 for the fully DI schools to be together. It just doesn’t make sense for the WAC to become an FCS League unless all the schools are fully DI or if the WAC is going FBS again, but with 8 FCS schools (or 7 FCS and NMSU). It would also risk NMSU becoming fully ticked off. That’s why I have stated the Dixie St will be in the Big Sky as it makes no sense for the WAC to elevate schools for FCS. The only upside is the WAC would be getting more insurance for school like Chicago St leaving after five years.
RE: New School maybe - NMSUPistolPete - 12-10-2018 07:14 AM
The WAC can't simply add FCS football among the current members. It would effect the existence of other men's like Soccer, Tennis, Wrestling, and Volleyball; for some WAC schools. Because of Title IX (gender equality), there needs to be a balance of scholarships between men's and women's sports. The number of scholarships needed for football impacts the number of men's sports funded. Look at the NMSU athletic model. NMSU only competes in six men's sports while competing in ten women's sports. It won't be as drastic at the FCS level because it only requires 63 scholarships as oppose to 85 scholarships at the FBS level. But the addition of football would require the shuffling (elimination) of some men's sports by most WAC schools. I don't see that happening. And, simply adding six new football playing members to an eight member conference (which doesn't support football) is unrealistic too. If the WAC wants to add schools such as Dixie State and Tarleton State as members, the only conference model that works is the one the Missouri Valley Conference adopted. All the conference members which compete in football are members of football conferences external to the MVC; i.e. the non affiliated Missouri Valley "Football" Conference and the Pioneer League. If the Dixie State is serious in joining the WAC, they will do so as a FCS independent in Football; Or, join the Pioneer League; Or, make arrangement with the Big Sky Conference to house its football program. A similar situation would exist for Tarleton State.
RE: New School maybe - ManleyPointer - 12-10-2018 07:30 PM
(12-10-2018 07:14 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote: If the Dixie State is serious in joining the WAC, they will do so as a FCS independent in Football; Or, join the Pioneer League; Or, make arrangement with the Big Sky Conference to house its football program. A similar situation would exist for Tarleton State.
Yup. The Dixie AD is on record saying the Big Sky wasn't interested in them & that Dixie has no interest in the Pioneer. He also said he's willing to endure D1 independence, temporarily:
https://www.thespectrum.com/story/sports/college/dixie-state/2018/10/30/dsu-closing-division-move/1822468002/
Have been impressed at how GCU & CBU stepped up to the D1 plate. My understanding is that those guys were already pretty good at D2. I'm curious about how Dixie & Metro look in basketball. Surprisingly hard to find their records from the 2017-2018 season.
RE: New School maybe - DoubleRSU - 12-10-2018 07:59 PM
I went to Metro State’s official website and they have their schedules since 08-09 on there. Have you ever used the Internet before? Not hard to find at all