(02-08-2019 09:24 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  OX is a very good player and will be the first Monarch drafted in the NFL. I think when everything is factored in you will see him go in rounds 3-5 somewhere. The only way this changes is if he blows up the combine.

(02-07-2019 02:49 PM)Blue Moon Rising Wrote:  what am i missing? Oshane played on one of the worst defensive team in the country. In the games I saw him play on TV he really did not stand out and your saying he may get drafted in the first round???

(02-08-2019 09:24 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  OX is a very good player and will be the first Monarch drafted in the NFL. I think when everything is factored in you will see him go in rounds 3-5 somewhere. The only way this changes is if he blows up the combine.

(02-08-2019 09:52 AM)CalODUFan Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 09:24 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  OX is a very good player and will be the first Monarch drafted in the NFL. I think when everything is factored in you will see him go in rounds 3-5 somewhere. The only way this changes is if he blows up the combine.

You are clueless. His floor is the middle of second round. I guess you know better than all of the legitimate draft experts.

(10-07-2018 11:25 AM)CalODUFan Wrote:  As a former NFL agent, you are wrong about that. Ximines will be a second round pick. Duhart is not fast enough to be drafted high. He has not even been on draft boards before this season. If he runs a 4.6, then maybe 5-7 round. If he runs a 4.7 which is what he was pegged at as a recruit, he won't be drafted and will be an UDFA. Fulgham has no chance to be drafted. He does not have the hands or ball skills.

(02-08-2019 12:50 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 09:52 AM)CalODUFan Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 09:24 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  OX is a very good player and will be the first Monarch drafted in the NFL. I think when everything is factored in you will see him go in rounds 3-5 somewhere. The only way this changes is if he blows up the combine.

You are clueless. His floor is the middle of second round. I guess you know better than all of the legitimate draft experts.

(10-07-2018 11:25 AM)CalODUFan Wrote:  As a former NFL agent, you are wrong about that. Ximines will be a second round pick. Duhart is not fast enough to be drafted high. He has not even been on draft boards before this season. If he runs a 4.6, then maybe 5-7 round. If he runs a 4.7 which is what he was pegged at as a recruit, he won't be drafted and will be an UDFA. Fulgham has no chance to be drafted. He does not have the hands or ball skills.

Cal, do you still feel Fulgham doesn't have a chance to be drafted? We all can be clueless at times

(02-08-2019 12:56 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 12:50 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 09:52 AM)CalODUFan Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 09:24 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  OX is a very good player and will be the first Monarch drafted in the NFL. I think when everything is factored in you will see him go in rounds 3-5 somewhere. The only way this changes is if he blows up the combine.

You are clueless. His floor is the middle of second round. I guess you know better than all of the legitimate draft experts.

(10-07-2018 11:25 AM)CalODUFan Wrote:  As a former NFL agent, you are wrong about that. Ximines will be a second round pick. Duhart is not fast enough to be drafted high. He has not even been on draft boards before this season. If he runs a 4.6, then maybe 5-7 round. If he runs a 4.7 which is what he was pegged at as a recruit, he won't be drafted and will be an UDFA. Fulgham has no chance to be drafted. He does not have the hands or ball skills.

Cal, do you still feel Fulgham doesn't have a chance to be drafted? We all can be clueless at times

That was written before Fulgham had a breakout season. He improved tremendously. No draft evaluator in his right mind would have said he was draftable before that when I wrote that post. Circumstances change during the course of a player's career, but now, after their careers are over and we are in the late stages of the draft process, there is a lot clearer picture of whether a player will be drafted and where someone will be drafted. Saying Ximines is a 3rd to 5th rounder now is just ill-informed, unless something drastic happens before the draft.

(02-08-2019 12:59 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 12:56 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 12:50 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 09:52 AM)CalODUFan Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 09:24 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  OX is a very good player and will be the first Monarch drafted in the NFL. I think when everything is factored in you will see him go in rounds 3-5 somewhere. The only way this changes is if he blows up the combine.

You are clueless. His floor is the middle of second round. I guess you know better than all of the legitimate draft experts.

(10-07-2018 11:25 AM)CalODUFan Wrote:  As a former NFL agent, you are wrong about that. Ximines will be a second round pick. Duhart is not fast enough to be drafted high. He has not even been on draft boards before this season. If he runs a 4.6, then maybe 5-7 round. If he runs a 4.7 which is what he was pegged at as a recruit, he won't be drafted and will be an UDFA. Fulgham has no chance to be drafted. He does not have the hands or ball skills.

Cal, do you still feel Fulgham doesn't have a chance to be drafted? We all can be clueless at times

That was written before Fulgham had a breakout season. He improved tremendously. No draft evaluator in his right mind would have said he was draftable before that when I wrote that post. Circumstances change during the course of a player's career, but now, after their careers are over and we are in the late stages of the draft process, there is a lot clearer picture of whether a player will be drafted and where someone will be drafted. Saying Ximines is a 3rd to 5th rounder now is just ill-informed, unless something drastic happens before the draft.

I'm just messing with ya! What do you currently think of Fulgham and Duhart draft chances are now?

(02-08-2019 09:52 AM)CalODUFan Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 09:24 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  OX is a very good player and will be the first Monarch drafted in the NFL. I think when everything is factored in you will see him go in rounds 3-5 somewhere. The only way this changes is if he blows up the combine.

You are clueless. His floor is the middle of second round. I guess you know better than all of the legitimate draft experts.

(02-08-2019 10:21 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 09:24 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  OX is a very good player and will be the first Monarch drafted in the NFL. I think when everything is factored in you will see him go in rounds 3-5 somewhere. The only way this changes is if he blows up the combine.

No, the only way he goes 3-5 in the draft is if he has a terrible combine.

(02-08-2019 01:18 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 12:59 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 12:56 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 12:50 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 09:52 AM)CalODUFan Wrote:  You are clueless. His floor is the middle of second round. I guess you know better than all of the legitimate draft experts.

(10-07-2018 11:25 AM)CalODUFan Wrote:  As a former NFL agent, you are wrong about that. Ximines will be a second round pick. Duhart is not fast enough to be drafted high. He has not even been on draft boards before this season. If he runs a 4.6, then maybe 5-7 round. If he runs a 4.7 which is what he was pegged at as a recruit, he won't be drafted and will be an UDFA. Fulgham has no chance to be drafted. He does not have the hands or ball skills.

Cal, do you still feel Fulgham doesn't have a chance to be drafted? We all can be clueless at times

That was written before Fulgham had a breakout season. He improved tremendously. No draft evaluator in his right mind would have said he was draftable before that when I wrote that post. Circumstances change during the course of a player's career, but now, after their careers are over and we are in the late stages of the draft process, there is a lot clearer picture of whether a player will be drafted and where someone will be drafted. Saying Ximines is a 3rd to 5th rounder now is just ill-informed, unless something drastic happens before the draft.

I'm just messing with ya! What do you currently think of Fulgham and Duhart draft chances are now?

Fulgham is likely 5th to 7th. Duhart will be a priority UDFA with an outside chance of sneaking into 7th round. It is true that the Draft is an inexact science and I have been surprised before (especially with my players). However, so much info is out there on the top 100 players like Ximines, it is pretty easy to predict where they will fall now.

(02-08-2019 02:01 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 09:52 AM)CalODUFan Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 09:24 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  OX is a very good player and will be the first Monarch drafted in the NFL. I think when everything is factored in you will see him go in rounds 3-5 somewhere. The only way this changes is if he blows up the combine.

You are clueless. His floor is the middle of second round. I guess you know better than all of the legitimate draft experts.

Really...Think about how many LB and edge rushers are in this draft that are bigger and faster than OX. Also, many other factors get added to the draft like position needs, trades, etc. You can express your point without calling people and fellow monarchs a name. I would hope all monarchs fans are above that. Also...I expect you will issue an apology when the draft occurs if he drafted in rounds 3-5.

(02-08-2019 02:05 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 10:21 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 09:24 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  OX is a very good player and will be the first Monarch drafted in the NFL. I think when everything is factored in you will see him go in rounds 3-5 somewhere. The only way this changes is if he blows up the combine.

No, the only way he goes 3-5 in the draft is if he has a terrible combine.

Now your story is changing ...why ? When I stated my opinion and the opinion of other draft experts, it included the possibilities of his performance at the combine against others at the combine and in the draft. Seems like you are hedging.

(02-08-2019 02:01 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 09:52 AM)CalODUFan Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 09:24 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  OX is a very good player and will be the first Monarch drafted in the NFL. I think when everything is factored in you will see him go in rounds 3-5 somewhere. The only way this changes is if he blows up the combine.

You are clueless. His floor is the middle of second round. I guess you know better than all of the legitimate draft experts.

Really...Think about how many LB and edge rushers are in this draft that are bigger and faster than OX. Also, many other factors get added to the draft like position needs, trades, etc. You can express your point without calling people and fellow monarchs a name. I would hope all monarchs fans are above that. Also...I expect you will issue an apology when the draft occurs if he drafted in rounds 3-5.

(02-08-2019 12:58 PM)VB Monarch Wrote:  I wouldn't go bat shet on Mr BB. One thing I've noticed is we fans tend to greatly over value our players and I( think so called "draft experts" do as well, at times.
The one hang up here is the GMs, coaches and others involved in evaluating talent may have other ideas about how to use a player. They may be looking for things we don't have any clue about.
Seems to me the only really reliable info on a player would come from the staffs of the actual teams and they aint talkin ( I don't think) correct me if I'm wrong CALODU.

(02-08-2019 03:01 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 12:58 PM)VB Monarch Wrote:  I wouldn't go bat shet on Mr BB. One thing I've noticed is we fans tend to greatly over value our players and I( think so called "draft experts" do as well, at times.
The one hang up here is the GMs, coaches and others involved in evaluating talent may have other ideas about how to use a player. They may be looking for things we don't have any clue about.
Seems to me the only really reliable info on a player would come from the staffs of the actual teams and they aint talkin ( I don't think) correct me if I'm wrong CALODU.

I wasn't trying to personally insult him but just to say he is misinformed. And, you are right that there are a lot of intangibles involved in the draft process, which is where Ximines absolutely shines with the intangibles of character, personalty, leadership, determination, humility, hard work, team work etc. Again, I am not saying the draft cannot be unpredictable, and there are still events to happen such as the Indy combines and Pro Day which could elevate or depress his draft status. However, with all of the data we have so far, it is not logical to say Ximines is a 3rd to 5th round pick. Mid second is his floor right now. Anywhere from 25 to 40 is where he slots now.

(02-08-2019 03:58 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 03:01 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 12:58 PM)VB Monarch Wrote:  I wouldn't go bat shet on Mr BB. One thing I've noticed is we fans tend to greatly over value our players and I( think so called "draft experts" do as well, at times.
The one hang up here is the GMs, coaches and others involved in evaluating talent may have other ideas about how to use a player. They may be looking for things we don't have any clue about.
Seems to me the only really reliable info on a player would come from the staffs of the actual teams and they aint talkin ( I don't think) correct me if I'm wrong CALODU.

I wasn't trying to personally insult him but just to say he is misinformed. And, you are right that there are a lot of intangibles involved in the draft process, which is where Ximines absolutely shines with the intangibles of character, personalty, leadership, determination, humility, hard work, team work etc. Again, I am not saying the draft cannot be unpredictable, and there are still events to happen such as the Indy combines and Pro Day which could elevate or depress his draft status. However, with all of the data we have so far, it is not logical to say Ximines is a 3rd to 5th round pick. Mid second is his floor right now. Anywhere from 25 to 40 is where he slots now.

We shall see...people I know in the scouting business with a couple of teams tell me otherwise. When the day comes for teams to lay their pick on the table with the their needs and money on the line they are confident the risks are too high for 1 -2 round $.