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FBI leaked, then used resulting media stories to help obtain surveillance - 200yrs2late - 08-28-2018 11:22 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/28/fbi-agent-says-bureau-leaked-stories-then-used-them-to-get-fisa-warrants.html
“We know that some people at the Department of Justice and the FBI actually gave information to the media, then the stories were reported. Then they used those reports to justify further investigations,” Meadows said on “America’s Newsroom” Tuesday. “You know, that’s like saying, we’re going to incriminate on one hand, and be the jury on the other. It just doesn’t work that way.”
Meadows had tweeted late Monday night in reference to the Moffa statements, without naming him: "We've learned NEW information suggesting our suspicions are true: FBI/DOJ have previously leaked info to the press, and then used those same press stories as a separate source to justify FISA's."
We've learned NEW information suggesting our suspicions are true: FBI/DOJ have previously leaked info to the press, and then used those same press stories as a separate source to justify FISA's
Unreal. Tomorrow's Bruce Ohr interview is even more critical. Did he ever do this?
— Mark Meadows (@RepMarkMeadows) August 28, 2018
The source familiar with Moffa's testimony told Fox News that his statements raise concerns that the bureau indeed used this practice with the dossier, referencing an article written by Yahoo! News’ Michael Isikoff.
The Isikoff article was published on Sept. 23, 2016, focusing on Page’s July 2016 trip to Moscow. According to a House GOP memo earlier this year, the Isikoff article did “not corroborate the Steele dossier” as the article was “derived from information leaked by Steele himself to Yahoo News.” Yet the subsequent FISA application to spy on Page cited the Isikoff article, among other pieces of evidence.
“The [Carter] Page FISA application incorrectly assesses that Steele did not properly provide information to Yahoo News,” the memo read. “Steele has admitted in British court filings that he met with Yahoo News—and several other outlets—in September 2016 at the direction of Fusion GPS.”
Not a good look for the FBI, regardless of where you stand on politics.
RE: FBI leaked, then used resulting media stories to help obtain surveillance - shere khan - 08-28-2018 11:27 AM
Nothing but a coup attempt.
They should all be shot.
Seditious bastards
https://saraacarter.com/whistleblower-exposes-key-player-in-fbi-russia-probe-it-was-all-a-set-up/
RE: FBI leaked, then used resulting media stories to help obtain surveillance - bullet - 08-28-2018 12:13 PM
Ohr will not say anything. He will "not recall" or plead the 5th.
RE: FBI leaked, then used resulting media stories to help obtain surveillance - usmbacker - 08-28-2018 01:59 PM
Those bastards
RE: FBI leaked, then used resulting media stories to help obtain surveillance - EverRespect - 08-28-2018 02:02 PM
Score another for the fake dossier.
RE: FBI leaked, then used resulting media stories to help obtain surveillance - Owl 69/70/75 - 08-28-2018 03:42 PM
(08-28-2018 02:02 PM)EverRespect Wrote: Score another for the fake dossier.
Let's be careful about the "fake dossier" terminology. That opens you up to questions like, "What's fake about it?"
What it actually is, correctly described, is an unverified and/or uncorroborated dossier. Nobody that I have seen has asserted that every single detail has been independently verified or corroborated, and my general impression, from comments by Adam Schiff on down, is that signifiant portions of it have not been independently verified or corroborated (Schiff on CNN, "some of it has been corroborated").
The interesting thing is that, for purposes of introduction as evidence in a FISA proceeding, "fake" is the same as "unverified" or "uncorroborated." Exactly the same. Legally, neither of them is admissible in such a proceeding. Does that make anything produced pursuant to any warrant issued in such a proceeding "fruit of the poisoned tree"? Yep, pretty much.
So calling it "unverified" or "uncorroborated" has precisely the same legal effect, at least for FISA warrant purposes, as calling it "fake." Only difference is, "fake" puts the burden of proof on you, "unverified" or "uncorroborated" puts the burden on them. And there is nothing to indicate they can meet that burden.
RE: FBI leaked, then used resulting media stories to help obtain surveillance - Kronke - 08-28-2018 06:06 PM
It's becoming so obvious. This story continues to build, while fake Russian collusion continues to fall apart.
RE: FBI leaked, then used resulting media stories to help obtain surveillance - TechRocks - 08-28-2018 06:54 PM
(08-28-2018 06:06 PM)Kronke Wrote: It's becoming so obvious. This story continues to build, while fake Russian collusion continues to fall apart.
Kronke, I've said it before. Most every week something new is revealed and without exception, every new detail is damaging to the DOJ and FBI but the MSM and leftists in general act as though there's nothing there.
RE: FBI leaked, then used resulting media stories to help obtain surveillance - EverRespect - 08-28-2018 08:40 PM
(08-28-2018 03:42 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:I'm not a lawyer; it is fake.(08-28-2018 02:02 PM)EverRespect Wrote: Score another for the fake dossier.
Let's be careful about the "fake dossier" terminology. That opens you up to questions like, "What's fake about it?"
What it actually is, correctly described, is an unverified and/or uncorroborated dossier. Nobody that I have seen has asserted that every single detail has been independently verified or corroborated, and my general impression, from comments by Adam Schiff on down, is that signifiant portions of it have not been independently verified or corroborated (Schiff on CNN, "some of it has been corroborated").
The interesting thing is that, for purposes of introduction as evidence in a FISA proceeding, "fake" is the same as "unverified" or "uncorroborated." Exactly the same. Legally, neither of them is admissible in such a proceeding. Does that make anything produced pursuant to any warrant issued in such a proceeding "fruit of the poisoned tree"? Yep, pretty much.
So calling it "unverified" or "uncorroborated" has precisely the same legal effect, at least for FISA warrant purposes, as calling it "fake." Only difference is, "fake" puts the burden of proof on you, "unverified" or "uncorroborated" puts the burden on them. And there is nothing to indicate they can meet that burden.
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RE: FBI leaked, then used resulting media stories to help obtain surveillance - SoMs Eagle - 08-28-2018 08:53 PM
(08-28-2018 12:13 PM)bullet Wrote: Ohr will not say anything. He will "not recall" or plead the 5th.
Oh he said plenty. Mueller has not interviewed him. Seriously....
RE: FBI leaked, then used resulting media stories to help obtain surveillance - banker - 08-28-2018 10:50 PM
Why do these type threads not get much participation from our leftist?
Asking for a friend.
FBI leaked, then used resulting media stories to help obtain surveillance - JMUDunk - 08-29-2018 05:55 AM
(08-28-2018 03:42 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:(08-28-2018 02:02 PM)EverRespect Wrote: Score another for the fake dossier.
Let's be careful about the "fake dossier" terminology. That opens you up to questions like, "What's fake about it?"
What it actually is, correctly described, is an unverified and/or uncorroborated dossier. Nobody that I have seen has asserted that every single detail has been independently verified or corroborated, and my general impression, from comments by Adam Schiff on down, is that signifiant portions of it have not been independently verified or corroborated (Schiff on CNN, "some of it has been corroborated").
The interesting thing is that, for purposes of introduction as evidence in a FISA proceeding, "fake" is the same as "unverified" or "uncorroborated." Exactly the same. Legally, neither of them is admissible in such a proceeding. Does that make anything produced pursuant to any warrant issued in such a proceeding "fruit of the poisoned tree"? Yep, pretty much.
So calling it "unverified" or "uncorroborated" has precisely the same legal effect, at least for FISA warrant purposes, as calling it "fake." Only difference is, "fake" puts the burden of proof on you, "unverified" or "uncorroborated" puts the burden on them. And there is nothing to indicate they can meet that burden.
Yea,
all true and likely the more civilized path.
But “uncorroborated” or “unverified” doesn’t get the desired raising of the hackles or nearly the same level of belly laughs as
Fake dossier.
Right up there with “fake news”. Is it spin news? Yes. Fake? No it exists. In all its embarrassment.
Dossier of falsehoods and fairy tales just doesn’t roll off the tongue as well.
RE: FBI leaked, then used resulting media stories to help obtain surveillance - Crebman - 08-29-2018 06:49 AM
It was an organized and coordinated attempt by some high level government employees in positions of power to use their power and put their thumb on the scales of an election outcome.
Then, when that failed, they continued with the coordination to try and topple a duly elected President while simultaneously hiding their corruption and illegal activities.
..............................................they never thought he'd win
The stench is sickening.
RE: FBI leaked, then used resulting media stories to help obtain surveillance - SoMs Eagle - 08-29-2018 08:03 AM
(08-29-2018 06:49 AM)Crebman Wrote: It was an organized and coordinated attempt by some high level government employees in positions of power to use their power and put their thumb on the scales of an election outcome.
Then, when that failed, they continued with the coordination to try and topple a duly elected President while simultaneously hiding their corruption and illegal activities.
..............................................they never thought he'd win
The stench is sickening.
And they never thought he would fight back like he has. I believe they really thought they could force him into resigning quickly.
Just another reason his base is solid with him.