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Net Neutrality ... our first case study - georgia_tech_swagger - 08-22-2018 08:42 AM
Quote:Verizon throttled fire department’s “unlimited” data during Calif. wildfire
Fire dep't had to pay twice as much to lift throttling during wildfire response.
This is the kind of **** that will cause it to be a valid public policy. If you're on the right and you don't want net neutrality, then you should be for burning Verizon a new regulatory ***hole very loudly and very publicly right now.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/08/verizon-throttled-fire-departments-unlimited-data-during-calif-wildfire/
RE: Net Neutrality ... our first case study - Marc Mensa - 08-22-2018 08:53 AM
The information superhighway should be a public utility available equally to all.
RE: Net Neutrality ... our first case study - 200yrs2late - 08-22-2018 08:55 AM
(08-22-2018 08:53 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote: The information superhighway should be a public utility available equally to all.
How about the major social media outlets on the internet?
RE: Net Neutrality ... our first case study - stinkfist - 08-22-2018 09:00 AM
that's no different than the gouging that occurred after Katrina.....
do the oil companies need to become a public utility?
capitalism.....she's a funny bird, eh?
RE: Net Neutrality ... our first case study - 200yrs2late - 08-22-2018 09:01 AM
(08-22-2018 08:42 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:Quote:Verizon throttled fire department’s “unlimited” data during Calif. wildfire
Fire dep't had to pay twice as much to lift throttling during wildfire response.
This is the kind of **** that will cause it to be a valid public policy. If you're on the right and you don't want net neutrality, then you should be for burning Verizon a new regulatory ***hole very loudly and very publicly right now.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/08/verizon-throttled-fire-departments-unlimited-data-during-calif-wildfire/
Verizon should be skewered for this but I can also find fault with the fire department for purchasing a plan with a 25G limit before throttling for an essential service.
RE: Net Neutrality ... our first case study - Dasville - 08-22-2018 09:34 AM
If left to their own devices, Verizon would have no horizon.
RE: Net Neutrality ... our first case study - BadgerMJ - 08-22-2018 09:51 AM
(08-22-2018 08:53 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote: The information superhighway should be a public utility available equally to all.
The information superhighway should be like any other service, if you want something more than the basic, you PAY FOR IT.
UPS, ground is one charge, RED is MORE.
I have absolutely no problem with the service providers saying that if you want more bandwidth or faster service, you pay for it.
RE: Net Neutrality ... our first case study - stinkfist - 08-22-2018 09:57 AM
(08-22-2018 09:51 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:(08-22-2018 08:53 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote: The information superhighway should be a public utility available equally to all.
The information superhighway should be like any other service, if you want something more than the basic, you PAY FOR IT.
UPS, ground is one charge, RED is MORE.
I have absolutely no problem with the service providers saying that if you want more bandwidth or faster service, you pay for it.
while I completely agree with the capitalist premise, in this case (emergency situation), I can only view it as gouging a resource that has limited funds.....
RE: Net Neutrality ... our first case study - Marc Mensa - 08-22-2018 10:02 AM
(08-22-2018 08:55 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:(08-22-2018 08:53 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote: The information superhighway should be a public utility available equally to all.
How about the major social media outlets on the internet?
Social media outlets are private business on the information superhighway.
RE: Net Neutrality ... our first case study - Dasville - 08-22-2018 10:07 AM
The odds of being attacked by a shark are greatly reduced if you don’t get in the water. Mathematics say there is little difference between salt water and fresh water.
RE: Net Neutrality ... our first case study - umbluegray - 08-22-2018 10:33 AM
(08-22-2018 08:53 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote: The information superhighway should be a public utility available equally to all.
Like landlines, gas, water, electricity utilities?
RE: Net Neutrality ... our first case study - Claw - 08-22-2018 10:36 AM
(08-22-2018 08:53 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote: The information superhighway should be a public utility available equally to all.
I don't know about you, but my electric bill goes up if I use more electricity. Water does too.
RE: Net Neutrality ... our first case study - TigerBlue4Ever - 08-22-2018 10:38 AM
(08-22-2018 08:53 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote: The information superhighway should be a public utility available equally to all and funded by the upper and middle class.
You left your thought incompletely expressed...
RE: Net Neutrality ... our first case study - georgia_tech_swagger - 08-22-2018 10:43 AM
Almost 15 posts in and nobody has pointed out the inherent legal lie that is "unlimited" data plans. Unlimited unlimited unlimited (size 4pt: LTE speeds until (small number of GB) then slower data (3G for a while if your carrier is "generous") like 2G/Edge, which isn't even enough for navigational data if you have cached maps even.
RE: Net Neutrality ... our first case study - stinkfist - 08-22-2018 10:52 AM
(08-22-2018 10:36 AM)Claw Wrote:(08-22-2018 08:53 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote: The information superhighway should be a public utility available equally to all.
I don't know about you, but my electric bill goes up if I use more electricity. Water does too.
the 'sip just had a major provider implement an increase......it's also the same one that had to issue overcharging due to Katrina times......
#poplulationgrowthdemandnecessary
#gougingnotvalid
RE: Net Neutrality ... our first case study - stinkfist - 08-22-2018 10:54 AM
(08-22-2018 10:43 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote: Almost 15 posts in and nobody has pointed out the inherent legal lie that is "unlimited" data plans. Unlimited unlimited unlimited (size 4pt: LTE speeds until (small number of GB) then slower data (3G for a while if your carrier is "generous") like 2G/Edge, which isn't even enough for navigational data if you have cached maps even.
maybe b/c not many keep their necks at a 45 degree angle 365.25/24/7
maybe some folks have a life and do shite....
RE: Net Neutrality ... our first case study - BadgerMJ - 08-22-2018 10:57 AM
(08-22-2018 09:57 AM)stinkfist Wrote:(08-22-2018 09:51 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:(08-22-2018 08:53 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote: The information superhighway should be a public utility available equally to all.
The information superhighway should be like any other service, if you want something more than the basic, you PAY FOR IT.
UPS, ground is one charge, RED is MORE.
I have absolutely no problem with the service providers saying that if you want more bandwidth or faster service, you pay for it.
while I completely agree with the capitalist premise, in this case (emergency situation), I can only view it as gouging a resource that has limited funds.....
In a case like this when dealing with emergency services, I'm sure deals can be made to make sure they have the data if necessary.
Other than that, let the market decide.
RE: Net Neutrality ... our first case study - BadgerMJ - 08-22-2018 11:00 AM
(08-22-2018 10:43 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote: Almost 15 posts in and nobody has pointed out the inherent legal lie that is "unlimited" data plans. Unlimited unlimited unlimited (size 4pt: LTE speeds until (small number of GB) then slower data (3G for a while if your carrier is "generous") like 2G/Edge, which isn't even enough for navigational data if you have cached maps even.
Technically, it's still unlimited data, it's the speed of that data that changes after a certain amount.
Legally I don't think that would be an issue.
It's kind of dirty pool, but not illegal.
RE: Net Neutrality ... our first case study - stinkfist - 08-22-2018 11:01 AM
(08-22-2018 10:57 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:(08-22-2018 09:57 AM)stinkfist Wrote:(08-22-2018 09:51 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:(08-22-2018 08:53 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote: The information superhighway should be a public utility available equally to all.
The information superhighway should be like any other service, if you want something more than the basic, you PAY FOR IT.
UPS, ground is one charge, RED is MORE.
I have absolutely no problem with the service providers saying that if you want more bandwidth or faster service, you pay for it.
while I completely agree with the capitalist premise, in this case (emergency situation), I can only view it as gouging a resource that has limited funds.....
In a case like this when dealing with emergency services, I'm sure deals can be made to make sure they have the data if necessary.
Other than that, let the market decide.
again, I completely agree with the latter.....
however, when the former needs that access, it doesn't cost a dayum thing to the provider to flip that switch.....that's when it becomes gouging....
RE: Net Neutrality ... our first case study - georgia_tech_swagger - 08-22-2018 11:06 AM
(08-22-2018 11:00 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote: Technically, it's still unlimited data, it's the speed of that data that changes after a certain amount.
Legally I don't think that would be an issue.
It's kind of dirty pool, but not illegal.
Precisely. Legal. But not ethical in the least.