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Grizz Cap Situation for 2018-19 - HometownTiger - 05-01-2018 09:53 AM
Thought this was a helpful breakdown for those interested in our cap situation.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/04/2018-nba-offseason-salary-cap-digest-memphis-grizzlies.html
RE: Grizz Cap Situation for 2018-19 - salukiblue - 05-01-2018 10:14 AM
...and there's no room for adding anyone or trading because no one will trade for Conley and his crazy salary. Likely not Marc either.
RE: Grizz Cap Situation for 2018-19 - mairving - 05-01-2018 10:18 AM
(05-01-2018 09:53 AM)HometownTiger Wrote: Thought this was a helpful breakdown for those interested in our cap situation.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/04/2018-nba-offseason-salary-cap-digest-memphis-grizzlies.html
Still an injury away from a lottery team next year. If only we could do something about the two boat anchors; Parsons and McLemore. Parsons at least has potential although we haven't seen it in 2 years. Both were terrible signings by Wallace.
RE: Grizz Cap Situation for 2018-19 - Dynamos - 05-01-2018 10:22 AM
(05-01-2018 10:18 AM)mairving Wrote:(05-01-2018 09:53 AM)HometownTiger Wrote: Thought this was a helpful breakdown for those interested in our cap situation.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/04/2018-nba-offseason-salary-cap-digest-memphis-grizzlies.html
Still an injury away from a lottery team next year. If only we could do something about the two boat anchors; Parsons and McLemore. Parsons at least has potential although we haven't seen it in 2 years. Both were terrible signings by Wallace.
McLemores contract isn’t so bad. The Parsons signing might be the worst in Nba history though. Should have been enough to get Wallace fired
RE: Grizz Cap Situation for 2018-19 - mairving - 05-01-2018 10:25 AM
(05-01-2018 10:22 AM)Dynamos Wrote:(05-01-2018 10:18 AM)mairving Wrote:(05-01-2018 09:53 AM)HometownTiger Wrote: Thought this was a helpful breakdown for those interested in our cap situation.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/04/2018-nba-offseason-salary-cap-digest-memphis-grizzlies.html
Still an injury away from a lottery team next year. If only we could do something about the two boat anchors; Parsons and McLemore. Parsons at least has potential although we haven't seen it in 2 years. Both were terrible signings by Wallace.
McLemores contract isn’t so bad. The Parsons signing might be the worst in Nba history though. Should have been enough to get Wallace fired
The McLemore contract isn't terrible. I guess the thought that you can get a player that was terrible for Sacramento and have him be a good piece on the Grizzlies is what irks me the most.
RE: Grizz Cap Situation for 2018-19 - salukiblue - 05-01-2018 10:36 AM
(05-01-2018 10:25 AM)mairving Wrote:(05-01-2018 10:22 AM)Dynamos Wrote:(05-01-2018 10:18 AM)mairving Wrote:(05-01-2018 09:53 AM)HometownTiger Wrote: Thought this was a helpful breakdown for those interested in our cap situation.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/04/2018-nba-offseason-salary-cap-digest-memphis-grizzlies.html
Still an injury away from a lottery team next year. If only we could do something about the two boat anchors; Parsons and McLemore. Parsons at least has potential although we haven't seen it in 2 years. Both were terrible signings by Wallace.
McLemores contract isn’t so bad. The Parsons signing might be the worst in Nba history though. Should have been enough to get Wallace fired
The McLemore contract isn't terrible. I guess the thought that you can get a player that was terrible for Sacramento and have him be a good piece on the Grizzlies is what irks me the most.
Ben actually might have a good contact this year because it's expiring and is decent enough in value to trade to a team looking to move a longer contract.
RE: Grizz Cap Situation for 2018-19 - salukiblue - 05-01-2018 10:38 AM
In all reality, Conley has the worst contract.
It is exorbitantly high and for what a team could do with that money instead of that one spot just for Mike is depressing.
RE: Grizz Cap Situation for 2018-19 - UofMark - 05-01-2018 10:39 AM
So this is the possible 'last' year Of Gasol's contract. Next season (19-20) he has a player option for $25 million. If he's having a great year this year I wonder if he'll opt out and try free agency.
RE: Grizz Cap Situation for 2018-19 - Tigx - 05-01-2018 10:58 AM
(05-01-2018 10:39 AM)UofMark Wrote: So this is the possible 'last' year Of Gasol's contract. Next season (19-20) he has a player option for $25 million. If he's having a great year this year I wonder if he'll opt out and try free agency.
Could see the Grizz giving more years to Marc next year if he opts opt of his last year.
Maybe offer 3 years/36 million. Marc gets the extra security, Grizz get some cap relief. The Spurs guys did this a lot at the end of their careers.
RE: Grizz Cap Situation for 2018-19 - Dynamos - 05-01-2018 11:05 AM
(05-01-2018 10:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote: In all reality, Conley has the worst contract.
It is exorbitantly high and for what a team could do with that money instead of that one spot just for Mike is depressing.
Naw as long as he plays at the level he’s been playing at he is worth the money
RE: Grizz Cap Situation for 2018-19 - jgardne - 05-01-2018 11:47 AM
(05-01-2018 10:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote: In all reality, Conley has the worst contract.
It is exorbitantly high and for what a team could do with that money instead of that one spot just for Mike is depressing.
Conleys contract felt like a mistake at the time and clearly is a bad one now. It can't be traded. If Conley is a good player the next few years you can survive it, but it is eating up 30% of their cap
RE: Grizz Cap Situation for 2018-19 - Tigx - 05-01-2018 12:01 PM
(05-01-2018 11:05 AM)Dynamos Wrote:(05-01-2018 10:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote: In all reality, Conley has the worst contract.
It is exorbitantly high and for what a team could do with that money instead of that one spot just for Mike is depressing.
Naw as long as he plays at the level he’s been playing at he is worth the money
Agree with Dynamos. Conley was #23 on ESPN's NBA player rankings prior to this season. And #18 on SI's list last September.
Conley's contract is what top veteran players get paid now. It's the NBA - young guys on rookie and 1st post-rookie contracts are underpaid. They catch up on the 2nd post-rookie contract.
RE: Grizz Cap Situation for 2018-19 - Tigx - 05-01-2018 12:07 PM
Sounds counter-intuitive, but Grizz bigger problem long term is not Gasol and Conley's contracts. (All agree Chandler's is an albatross.) Mike and Marc are always productive when healthy.
Bigger problem is in two years potentially not having any players currently on the roster deserving of long-term contracts. Teams end up spending the money anyway. So that's when you overpay your current guys, or give average free agents max money to come here.
RE: Grizz Cap Situation for 2018-19 - mairving - 05-01-2018 12:29 PM
(05-01-2018 12:07 PM)Tigx Wrote: Sounds counter-intuitive, but Grizz bigger problem long term is not Gasol and Conley's contracts. (All agree Chandler's is an albatross.) Mike and Marc are always productive when healthy.
Bigger problem is in two years potentially not having any players currently on the roster deserving of long-term contracts. Teams end up spending the money anyway. So that's when you overpay your current guys, or give average free agents max money to come here.
We have to hit on this years draft.
RE: Grizz Cap Situation for 2018-19 - Tigx - 05-01-2018 12:33 PM
(05-01-2018 12:29 PM)mairving Wrote:(05-01-2018 12:07 PM)Tigx Wrote: Sounds counter-intuitive, but Grizz bigger problem long term is not Gasol and Conley's contracts. (All agree Chandler's is an albatross.) Mike and Marc are always productive when healthy.
Bigger problem is in two years potentially not having any players currently on the roster deserving of long-term contracts. Teams end up spending the money anyway. So that's when you overpay your current guys, or give average free agents max money to come here.
We have to hit on this years draft.
No doubt. If we hope to avoid the 'suck for years' total rebuild, have to get a top player in June.
76ers are now great, but their rebuild is the exception. More common to be the Kings, Suns, Magic . . . and suck for years with the likelihood to keep sucking.
RE: Grizz Cap Situation for 2018-19 - mairving - 05-01-2018 12:36 PM
(05-01-2018 12:33 PM)Tigx Wrote:(05-01-2018 12:29 PM)mairving Wrote:(05-01-2018 12:07 PM)Tigx Wrote: Sounds counter-intuitive, but Grizz bigger problem long term is not Gasol and Conley's contracts. (All agree Chandler's is an albatross.) Mike and Marc are always productive when healthy.
Bigger problem is in two years potentially not having any players currently on the roster deserving of long-term contracts. Teams end up spending the money anyway. So that's when you overpay your current guys, or give average free agents max money to come here.
We have to hit on this years draft.
No doubt. If we hope to avoid the 'suck for years' total rebuild, have to get a top player in June.
76ers are now great, but their rebuild is the exception. More common to be the Kings, Suns, Magic . . . and suck for years with the likelihood to keep sucking.
It can depend on luck a bit (Simmons injured, Embid injured) which allowed them to get another good pick but also getting a decent GM like Bryan Colangelo.
RE: Grizz Cap Situation for 2018-19 - Tigx - 05-01-2018 01:59 PM
And the 76ers missed a lot. Traded Jrue for NO pick, took Nerlens Noel - bust. Took Jahlil Okafor at #3 in '15 - total bust. Took Markelle #1 last year - didn't play most of year, looked good at times at the end of the season. But, Markelle was only player on roster not to play last night vs. the Celtics. So who knows re Markelle?
With the new draft rules, very unlikely any team is able to draft as high as the 76ers did for 5 straight years.
RE: Grizz Cap Situation for 2018-19 - salukiblue - 05-01-2018 02:43 PM
(05-01-2018 12:01 PM)Tigx Wrote:(05-01-2018 11:05 AM)Dynamos Wrote:(05-01-2018 10:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote: In all reality, Conley has the worst contract.
It is exorbitantly high and for what a team could do with that money instead of that one spot just for Mike is depressing.
Naw as long as he plays at the level he’s been playing at he is worth the money
Agree with Dynamos. Conley was #23 on ESPN's NBA player rankings prior to this season. And #18 on SI's list last September.
Conley's contract is what top veteran players get paid now. It's the NBA - young guys on rookie and 1st post-rookie contracts are underpaid. They catch up on the 2nd post-rookie contract.
Conley is the 7th highest paid player in the NBA and will be the 6th highest next year.
In NO way, shape, or form does he perform to the level of being a top 5-10 player. Hell, he's arguably not a top 7 point guard.
He doesn't impact the game worthy of the money he makes--especially in light of the Grizz' financial situation and inability to push beyond the luxury tax.
RE: Grizz Cap Situation for 2018-19 - Tigx - 05-01-2018 02:55 PM
(05-01-2018 02:43 PM)salukiblue Wrote:(05-01-2018 12:01 PM)Tigx Wrote:(05-01-2018 11:05 AM)Dynamos Wrote:(05-01-2018 10:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote: In all reality, Conley has the worst contract.
It is exorbitantly high and for what a team could do with that money instead of that one spot just for Mike is depressing.
Naw as long as he plays at the level he’s been playing at he is worth the money
Agree with Dynamos. Conley was #23 on ESPN's NBA player rankings prior to this season. And #18 on SI's list last September.
Conley's contract is what top veteran players get paid now. It's the NBA - young guys on rookie and 1st post-rookie contracts are underpaid. They catch up on the 2nd post-rookie contract.
Conley is the 7th highest paid player in the NBA and will be the 6th highest next year.
He doesn't impact the game worthy of the money he makes--especially in light of the Grizz' financial situation and inability to push beyond the luxury tax.
Typical Saluki research. Conley absolutely won't be the 6th highest paid player next year. Saluki, there is this thing call free agency happening in July. Many players will sign big contracts.
As everyone but apparently Saluki knows, Mike's timing was great. Hit free agency in the summer of '16, after the huge TV money hit and led to the one-time huge increase in the salary cap.
Kawhi is up for a $220M supermax extension this summer, which makes Mike's contract look not so big. John Wall signed his super max - will be making $40M per season after his current contract ends. PG, Lebron, KD, CP3, Boogie, . . . all are FAs this summer.
RE: Grizz Cap Situation for 2018-19 - salukiblue - 05-01-2018 03:16 PM
(05-01-2018 02:55 PM)Tigx Wrote:(05-01-2018 02:43 PM)salukiblue Wrote:(05-01-2018 12:01 PM)Tigx Wrote:(05-01-2018 11:05 AM)Dynamos Wrote:(05-01-2018 10:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote: In all reality, Conley has the worst contract.
It is exorbitantly high and for what a team could do with that money instead of that one spot just for Mike is depressing.
Naw as long as he plays at the level he’s been playing at he is worth the money
Agree with Dynamos. Conley was #23 on ESPN's NBA player rankings prior to this season. And #18 on SI's list last September.
Conley's contract is what top veteran players get paid now. It's the NBA - young guys on rookie and 1st post-rookie contracts are underpaid. They catch up on the 2nd post-rookie contract.
Conley is the 7th highest paid player in the NBA and will be the 6th highest next year.
He doesn't impact the game worthy of the money he makes--especially in light of the Grizz' financial situation and inability to push beyond the luxury tax.
Typical Saluki research. Conley absolutely won't be the 6th highest paid player next year. Saluki, there is this thing call free agency happening in July. Many players will sign big contracts.
As everyone but apparently Saluki knows, Mike's timing was great. Hit free agency in the summer of '16, after the huge TV money hit and led to the one-time huge increase in the salary cap.
Kawhi is up for a $220M supermax extension this summer, which makes Mike's contract look not so big. John Wall signed his super max - will be making $40M per season after his current contract ends. PG, Lebron, KD, CP3, Boogie, . . . all are FAs this summer.
Uh. Wall's kicks in in two years, so it doesn't affect Mike next year.
Lebron is already paid more than Mike.
And that is all well and good. Conley will still be top 10 and the fact still remains he doesn't play the level of a top 10 player. He'll likely be the 5th highest paid guard (not point guard, but ANY guard) next year.
With the Grizz financial limitations, his salary is tough twofold:
1) He comprises a large portion of the cap relative to his overall impact to the team and in the league
2) No other team would touch his contract via trade to save their lives.
I completely recognize it's market value, but at some point the Grizz could have looked at the value of having one Mike Conley at $30mm a year or having two $15mm guys or three $10mm guys (or one $20mm and a $10mm guy) instead.
It was very much like Stl and Pujols. He got market value, but Stl thought that Holliday and others would be more valuable than one Pujols.